Gay Marriage Legal In The Caribbean

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    Oct 09, 2010 11:29 AM GMT
    As of midnight tonight, for the first time in history in the (very christian and conservative) Caribbean,... gay marriage will be legal and possible on the islands...

    The three Dutch Caribbean islands of Bonaire, Saba and St Eustatius, sister islands of St Maarten, Curacao and Aruba, will be joining the Netherlands legal system as of tonight at midnight

    This means that the islands will lose all forms of autonomy and will become full communities within the Netherlands, and taking up all the laws of that country

    The Netherlands are one of the only European countries with legalised gay marriage, and the first country in the world to do so,

    The Dutch consituent Caribbean islands (Bonaire, Saba, St Eustatius) will now fall under Dutch gay marriage legislation.

    So ...

    EVERYBODY BOOK YOUR FLIGHTS!!!! GAY WEDDINGS ON THE BEACH!! LOL

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_the_Netherlands

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    The Dutch Caribbean Islands


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    Bonaire:


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    Saba


    WELCOME TO DE CARIBBEAN, MON... AND MON !!!! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Oct 09, 2010 2:50 PM GMT
    That's good news. I think it's only a matter of time before most western nations remove prohibitions against same sex marriage. The U.S. may one of the last in the west though, with Jamaica following that.
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    Oct 09, 2010 3:25 PM GMT
    the carribeans does sound a bit more tempting than Greenland LOL
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    Oct 09, 2010 3:38 PM GMT
    USA is going to be dead last, I am afraid.

    Its funny, although you may not agree, the USA has an enviable legal system that is known for extending the most rights and protections. (It is probably why Dubai's soverign wealth fund is incorporated in Nevada, for one instance)

    But for some reason we lag on this issue. It is American's puritanical and political correctness that is holding us back. I agree that if the issue among voters is to protect the so called "sanctity of marriage," then if we won't extend those rights to gays, then we should ban divorce! LOL What's fair is fair!

    There are many less sophisticated legal systems around the world that were like, "yeah OK this makes sense, OK done!"

    I am mad at that. icon_biggrin.gif

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    Oct 09, 2010 3:45 PM GMT
    xuaerb said
    Its funny, although you may not agree, the USA has an enviable legal system that is known for extending the most rights and protections.


    Agreed


    There are many less sophisticated legal systems around the world that were like, "yeah OK this makes sense, OK done!"


    Doubtful.. Dutch legal system does not seem less sophisticated to me, if not more so.... I will ask a lawyer I know who specialises in both and get back to you
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    Oct 09, 2010 3:47 PM GMT
    its getting closer to Puerto Rico....yay!!! perhaps i should hop and move to one of the Dutch islands.
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    Oct 09, 2010 3:48 PM GMT
    xuaerb saidUSA is going to be dead last, I am afraid.


    I'm sure there are a few countries in the middle east that will lag behind us.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Oct 09, 2010 3:56 PM GMT
    In the US, it is going to be up to each state to decide whether or not to legalize gay marriage. This will not be a federal issue. Whether or not the US is among the last country to legalize and accept gay marriage remains to be seen.
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    Oct 09, 2010 3:57 PM GMT
    amar_m said
    xuaerb said
    Its funny, although you may not agree, the USA has an enviable legal system that is known for extending the most rights and protections.


    Agreed


    There are many less sophisticated legal systems around the world that were like, "yeah OK this makes sense, OK done!"


    Doubtful.. Dutch legal system does not seem less sophisticated to me, if not more so.... I will ask a lawyer I know who specialises in both and get back to you


    No, I meant other jurisdictions, Argentina Brazil, and Mexico, for instance, you would think there would be a religious issue there, but no...

    The Dutch system (Hague) is the be all end all! It's where the elite meet!
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    Oct 09, 2010 3:58 PM GMT
    maxbull saidits getting closer to Puerto Rico....yay!!! perhaps i should hop and move to one of the Dutch islands.


    You!.. Here!!.... Now!!!! ... icon_razz.gif
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    Oct 09, 2010 10:20 PM GMT
    Thank you for this information. I want to keep this in mind as I am in the travel industry and for honeymoon or vacation purposes, it will be valuable.

    Any word from Antigua, by chance?

    I may or may not have mentioned this but recently I spoke with one of the Sales and Marketing professionals from the Sandals organization. I asked her if it was true that same sex couples were not welcome at their properties (as we know, Sandals advertises to a hetero audience). She said it would not be advised in Jamaica (which we all know is centuries behind the world) but said the Sandals in Antigua would be very welcoming to same sex couples.

    I will tell you this. I have seen two of the Sandals properties in Jamaica and you have to admit they are beautiful. The food is good and the ambiance is first rate.
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    Oct 09, 2010 10:29 PM GMT
    amar_m saidAs of midnight tonight, for the first time in history in the (very christian and conservative) Caribbean,... gay marriage will be legal and possible on the islands...

    The three Dutch Caribbean islands of Bonaire, Saba and St Eustatius, sister islands of St Maarten, Curacao and Aruba, will be joining the Netherlands legal system as of tonight at midnight
    Fuck yeah! icon_biggrin.gificon_biggrin.gificon_biggrin.gificon_biggrin.gificon_biggrin.gif
    I just read about that a few months ago...totally forgot tonight is the night or I woulda emailed you to celebrate.
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    Oct 09, 2010 10:29 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidIn the US, it is going to be up to each state to decide whether or not to legalize gay marriage. This will not be a federal issue. Whether or not the US is among the last country to legalize and accept gay marriage remains to be seen.

    No, because of DOMA this is a Federal issue. What individual states do regarding gay marriage will not be recognized by the US government for any purpose, such as Social Security, nor do the individual states have to recognize such marriages, contrary to what the US Constitution stipulates.

    The Republican lie to their explanation of DOMA was that it merely reinforced States Rights to marriage. In truth, the second part of DOMA denied ordinary Federal recognition & benefits to any State gay marriages. Another win for the Republicans, that eviscerates gay marriage in States that recognize it. Unlike straight marriage, your gay marriage does not extend beyond State borders, nor do you receive any Federal recognition or benefits, regardless of what your State says. YAY Republicans!

    Oh, and gay marriage in the Caribbean or anywhere else is not legally recognized in the US, under DOMA. The Republicans were very thorough in their eradication of any possibility of gay marriage or civil unions in the US, and they're still pushing for a Constitutional Amendment to eliminate it forever. Do vote Republican this Fall.
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    Oct 10, 2010 12:55 AM GMT
    turtleneckjock saidThank you for this information. I want to keep this in mind as I am in the travel industry and for honeymoon or vacation purposes, it will be valuable.

    Any word from Antigua, by chance?

    I may or may not have mentioned this but recently I spoke with one of the Sales and Marketing professionals from the Sandals organization. I asked her if it was true that same sex couples were not welcome at their properties (as we know, Sandals advertises to a hetero audience). She said it would not be advised in Jamaica (which we all know is centuries behind the world) but said the Sandals in Antigua would be very welcoming to same sex couples.

    I will tell you this. I have seen two of the Sandals properties in Jamaica and you have to admit they are beautiful. The food is good and the ambiance is first rate.


    Lol, I stated everything in the posts, there are no other islands besides the Dutch ones which will have it legalised

    Antigua = British so "no homo"
  • DCEric

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    Oct 10, 2010 1:03 AM GMT
    xuaerb saidUSA is going to be dead last, I am afraid.


    How much do you want to bet? My money is on 2015 for the big victory, with several smaller squabbles cleaned up by 2020.

    As best as I can tell, there are only a handful, maybe two handfuls (ie 10) countries that seem to be capable of moving faster:

    France
    Brazil
    Uruguay
    Chile (maybe)
    Mexico (maybe)
    Ireland
    Nepal
    Germany (maybe)
    Czech Republic (maybe)
    Slovenia (maybe)
    UK (maybe)

    The big difference between the US, and the countries that are moving faster is that religion plays a major part of US daily life, partially because of its role in the Civil Rights movement, and the second reason is because these other countries generally rely on Coalition governments, where the party, and not individuals tend to have more control over votes.

    For instance, in the UK, one partner in the coalition government is making marriage equality into a key issue in its platform. Despite the fact that their coalition partner has no interest in the issue, they will vote for it to prevent the government from falling. The difference is that the US legislative branch ends up much more stable, in exchange for slower movement on legislation that is unpopular, but that may be critical.

    /your civics lesson for the day.
    /ta-da
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    Oct 10, 2010 1:57 AM GMT
    I wanna visit da carabbbbbs
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    Oct 10, 2010 1:58 AM GMT
    DCEric said

    The big difference between the US, and the countries that are moving faster is that religion plays a major part of US daily life, partially because of its role in the Civil Rights movement, and the second reason is because these other countries generally rely on Coalition governments, where the party, and not individuals tend to have more control over votes.


    Also consider the fact that the US has both more mass and a larger population. It's harder to move in one direction when you have so many people dispersed. It's like moving a giant ball as opposed to moving a small ball. The US is the size of Europe minus Russia. So I would imagine the US would legalize gay marriage about the time that the majority of Europe has legalized gay marriage.
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    Oct 10, 2010 3:08 AM GMT
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    DCEric said

    The big difference between the US, and the countries that are moving faster is that religion plays a major part of US daily life, partially because of its role in the Civil Rights movement, and the second reason is because these other countries generally rely on Coalition governments, where the party, and not individuals tend to have more control over votes.


    Also consider the fact that the US has both more mass and a larger population. It's harder to move in one direction when you have so many people dispersed. It's like moving a giant ball as opposed to moving a small ball. The US is the size of Europe minus Russia. So I would imagine the US would legalize gay marriage about the time that the majority of Europe has legalized gay marriage.


    Good point, parts of the EU recognize marriage equality, but only one major state and not the EU itself. Comparing to the EU as a whole is probably a better measure. (Germany, France, UK, Italy, Spain, go up against California, Texas, New York, Illinois, Ohio) Same thing in Africa, with the AU and South America with UNASUL.
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    Oct 10, 2010 4:55 PM GMT
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    No, because of DOMA this is a Federal issue. What individual states do regarding gay marriage will not be recognized by the US government for any purpose, such as Social Security, nor do the individual states have to recognize such marriages, contrary to what the US Constitution stipulates.

    DOMA - Officially the Defense of Marriage Act. In actuality, the Denial of Marriage Act.