Why cant the Israelis just stop building more settlements?

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    Oct 10, 2010 1:56 AM GMT
    They are really being a bunch of assholes!

    I will make concessions as long as I get everything I want, so why the hell am I here?


    The Palestinians and Arabs are right to stop negotiating with the Israelis.

    Arab League backs Palestinian refusal on talks unless Israel halts West Bank settlements

    Arab League foreign ministers on Friday backed the Palestinians' refusal to resume peace talks with Israel unless it halts new building in West Bank settlements. But they delayed for a month any further action, allowing time for diplomatic efforts to get the negotiations back on track.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/08/AR2010100806342.html?hpid=moreheadlines
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    Oct 10, 2010 4:02 AM GMT
    I'll be leaving for Israel tomorrow.. I'll ask them that question.icon_lol.gif
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    Oct 10, 2010 4:03 AM GMT
    QuadraticEquation saidI'll be leaving for Israel tomorrow.. I'll ask them that question.icon_lol.gif

    Oh, I look forward to hearing from you when you get back. Please post what you find out.
  • Webster666

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    Oct 10, 2010 8:01 PM GMT
    They could all live together in peace if the terrorist Hamas/ Hezbollah/Arabs/Palestinians would recognize the right for Israel to exist and stop trying to destroy Israel and her people. It's up to them.
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    Oct 10, 2010 8:06 PM GMT
    Webster666 saidThey could all live together in peace if the terrorist Hamas/ Hezbollah/Arabs/Palestinians would recognize the right for Israel to exist and stop trying to destroy Israel and her people. It's up to them.

    Oh puleeze! ... It's the other way around! The Israelis muscled in on Palestinian territory and have been killing Palestinian's and oppressing their aspirations ever since.

    America should stop financing Israel and stay out of the next war against Israel.
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    Oct 10, 2010 11:06 PM GMT
    And if Israel did halt all settlement building in the West Bank and evacuated Israelis from the area, would that make a difference? Consider what Israelis were rewarded with the last time they withdrew from "occupied" Gaza: rocket fire on Sderot.
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    Oct 10, 2010 11:08 PM GMT
    sxydrkhair saidMake sure you visit the West Bank and see the Israeli apartheid wall.


    Apartheid wall? I prefer security fence - one that has significantly decreased the number of attacks against Israelis.

    As they say, tomato, tomato.
  • GQjock

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    Oct 11, 2010 10:11 AM GMT
    There is no way that Netanyahu's coalition would let him vote to stop the settlements
    That's an impossibility .... and this is what you get when a right wing faction takes power in a country
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    Oct 11, 2010 1:48 PM GMT
    sxydrkhair said
    newbie444 saidAnd if Israel did halt all settlement building in the West Bank and evacuated Israelis from the area, would that make a difference? Consider what Israelis were rewarded with the last time they withdrew from "occupied" Gaza: rocket fire on Sderot.


    Israel did not withdrawal Gaza completely.

    According to B’Tselem, the Israeli information and human rights organization, documents:

    Israel continues to maintain complete control over the air and sea space of the Gaza Strip. No Palestinian may operate a seaport or an airport without Israeli approval, which limits Palestinians’ freedom of trade and travel.

    Israel continues to control the joint Gaza Strip-West Bank population registry, which means Israel gets to decide who is a “Palestinian resident” and who is a “foreigner.” Palestinians must seek Israeli approval for every individual who wants to move to the West Bank.

    The Rafah border crossing between the Gaza Strip and Egypt was supposedly turned over to the Palestinian Authority. In fact, Israel continues to control the crossing to the extent that it may bar entry to “foreigners”—that is, Palestinians who are not residents of the Occupied Territories—or anyone it deems a security risk.

    Israel continues to maintain complete control of the movement of people and goods between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, which Israel considers a “closed military area” off limits to anyone without a permit. West Bank residents are also forbidden from traveling aborad, including to the Gaza Strip, without a difficult-to-obtain Israeli permit.

    As far as trade is concerned, Israel controls the three crossing points in and out of Gaza (Karni, Sufa, and Kerem Shalom). Israel routinely closes the crossings to any exchange of goods, causing severe food and other shortages in Gaza.

    Israel still controls taxation and other levies in Gaza.


    ...And what part you don't understand the word "ILLEGAL?" Israeli settlements are illegal according to international laws.


    First of all, I find it hard to take a lot of what the UN, or some other international body that spends its time kowtowing to the Arab/Muslim countries, says about Israel seriously. If it says it's illegal, so be it. Look at some of the countries listed on UNHRC, it's a joke.

    Goods/controlling access: see the use of Red Crescent ambulances to smuggle weapons, tunnels to smuggle arms in from Egypt, I could go on...

    (No I don't think they should limit access to medical supplies and food) - just saying there are legitimate security concerns.

    Anyway had the Palestinians made good with Gaza, instead of electing Hamas and using schools to fire at civilians in Israel, it is likely they could have achieved more and Israel would have had no choice but to give them full control. But of course, no concession Israel ever makes will be good enough and will always be used to justify any errors on the Palestinians' part.
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    Oct 12, 2010 5:21 AM GMT
    The Israeli National Motto: "What's mine is mine and what's yours is mine too"

    Israel has become a theocracy.

    Israelis illegal settlements in territories occupied in the 1967 war are a direct violation of the Geneva Conventions, which Israel has signed. The Geneva Convention requires an occupying power to change the existing order as little as possible during its tenure. One aspect of this obligation is that it must leave the territory to the people it finds there. It may not bring its own people to populate the territory. This prohibition is found in the convention's Article 49, which states, "The occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies."

    What part of "illegal settlements" does Israel and their manipulated ally (US) dont understand!?
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    Oct 12, 2010 5:46 AM GMT
    newbie444 said
    sxydrkhair saidMake sure you visit the West Bank and see the Israeli apartheid wall.


    We drove through it. You guys have a lot of BIG houses in the West Bank.
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    Oct 12, 2010 5:50 AM GMT
    IanCT saidIsraelis illegal settlements in territories occupied in the 1967 war are a direct violation result of Egypt, Syria, Iraq, and Jordan gang banging Israel


    Fixed for accuracy.

    Muslims expect their land back after they LOST a war? Fuck that shit.
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    Oct 12, 2010 6:01 AM GMT
    Of course it's illegal. Anyone who claims otherwise is saying so according to their own made-up fantasy version of international law. They base 'legality' on their perception of 'justified' versus 'unjustified', not on the actual laws that exist.

    Israel has been in complete violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention since 1967. This fact is really not at all even debated. That's why Israel's war crimes and crimes against humanity are not discussed, but simply discarded, because if they were subjected to scrutiny, law (and not to mention, human decency) is not on the side of the Israeli state.

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    Oct 12, 2010 6:55 AM GMT
    Caslon16000 said
    Webster666 saidThey could all live together in peace if the terrorist Hamas/ Hezbollah/Arabs/Palestinians would recognize the right for Israel to exist and stop trying to destroy Israel and her people. It's up to them.

    Oh puleeze! ... It's the other way around! The Israelis muscled in on Palestinian territory and have been killing Palestinian's and oppressing their aspirations ever since.

    America should stop financing Israel and stay out of the next war against Israel.





    How many Israelis have you ever seen wearing a suicide vest ?



    Wouldn't half of the territory have been better than none ?
    The Palestinians chose none, and they've been bitching about it for 65 years.