Gay version of the Black Panthers?

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    Oct 10, 2010 10:53 PM GMT
    Is that what we are going to have to come to? We are not getting the rights we deserve or being treated fairly. Then with the recent raise of hate crimes, some even so brazen as to go into gay club here in NYC and a attack a man in the bathroom. The people in the bar came together and held them in the restroom until the cops came. That made me think... are we going to have to form some form of gay militant group like the Black Panthers? Will we have to adopt a "if your not going to give us our rights we'll just take them!" attitude? I believe that with our rights being constantly voted down it is putting in the minds of some ignorant people that we really are second class citizens that they can walk around and attack or not treat fairly. Do we need to take it to fear and violence to obtain what should naturally be ours!? Any thoughts?
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    Oct 10, 2010 11:21 PM GMT
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    Oct 10, 2010 11:23 PM GMT
    C_J35 saidare we going to have to form some form of gay militant group like the Black Panthers?
    I would join.
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    Oct 10, 2010 11:25 PM GMT
    I'm not normally one for violence but sometimes you have to take action.
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    Oct 11, 2010 12:18 AM GMT
    Nah, I don't think violence is the answer.
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    Oct 11, 2010 12:34 AM GMT
    While I never always agreed with ACT-UP's tactics, they kept at the forefront alot of things most of us were afraid to talk about, particularly HIV and A.I.D.S and were the bain of Jesse Helm's (Senator No) existence. But if ACT-UP was seen as a vigilante' group, then the Pink Panthers group, which started in New York was seen as the first sort of gay neighborhood watch. Do we been a violent group? No. We need a group of lawyers and a couple of well placed judges who can not be compromised and a few well placed senators and represenatives, military personnel and some money holders wouldn't hurt.
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    Oct 11, 2010 12:41 AM GMT
    travelfan saidNah, I don't think violence is the answer.
    Blacks fought for their rights, and they got them.
    Women fought for their rights, and they got them.
    Gays have been passive-aggressive about our rights, and we keep getting voted down.
    Wake up, please. We're not going to win until we get violent, and fight for our rights.
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    Oct 11, 2010 12:47 AM GMT
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    travelfan saidNah, I don't think violence is the answer.
    Blacks fought for their rights, and they got them.
    Women fought for their rights, and they got them.
    Gays have been passive-aggressive about our rights, and we keep getting voted down.
    Wake up, please. We're not going to win until we get violent, and fight for our rights.


    That's what I am saying... every group of people have had to fight. Werther it's for rights or country.
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    Oct 11, 2010 12:48 AM GMT
    I think it's possible to fight without violence. We just need to speak up! Not just in the streets via rallies and marches, but in our daily lives, with coworkers, family and friends. We have to speak up with grandma makes disparaging comments. We have to talk back to the guy at the meeting who cracks a dumb fag/dyke joke. We have to vote. We have to engage the world in which we live.

    Other groups before "us" could be clearly identified as "them," where as "we" cannot because we cross all cultural and societal lines. We are women and men, we are black, white, yellow, brown and every other hue. We are rich and poor. We are of all peoples...and that's the point - being that we are so, we should be treated like everyone else.

    In another young thread there is a lamenting the absence of 'gay brotherhood,' that it is a long debunked myth. But why accept the failures that are instead of working toward the successes that are not yet?
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    Oct 11, 2010 12:50 AM GMT
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    travelfan saidNah, I don't think violence is the answer.
    Blacks fought for their rights, and they got them.
    Women fought for their rights, and they got them.
    Gays have been passive-aggressive about our rights, and we keep getting voted down.
    Wake up, please. We're not going to win until we get violent, and fight for our rights.


    I agree. At this point, theyre leaving us no choice but to fight fire with fire!
    VIVA REVOLUCION!!!!
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    Oct 11, 2010 12:52 AM GMT
    RunintheCity saidI think it's possible to fight without violence. We just need to speak up!
    We've been speaking up since the 1947 attack of the drag queen, who happened to be the person who actually started the gay rights issue.
    That was BEFORE the women's rights issue ever came up.
    The women fought, and won.
    We kept "speaking up," and so far have lost.
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    Oct 11, 2010 12:54 AM GMT
    Just because a few gay youth have taken their own lives. This may still well of come to pass, even if homosexuals of America had what they perceive as equity,; just because you change a law doesn't mean you change attitudes; just go look at Tasmania. I recall the Black Panthers also did damage to the cause too, that turned many away.
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    Oct 11, 2010 12:59 AM GMT
    Just because a few gay youth have taken their own lives?!
    Are you kidding?!!
    You make it sound irrelevant. Not good.
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    Oct 11, 2010 12:59 AM GMT
    For all the folks in this thread talking about "violence" and "fighting" for our/your rights, how exactly do you propose to go about doing that? Just curious about that . . .

    Please go back and read history, especially about Ghandi and MLK, also, let me know if the Black Panthers effected change, or just got arrested.

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    Oct 11, 2010 12:59 AM GMT
    It does seem time to do something more aggressive. For too long we've been trying the HRC way of politeness and supporting politicians who talk the talk but give us little in return.
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    Oct 11, 2010 1:02 AM GMT
    It took the RIOTS of Stonewall to even get us as far as we have come. That was the last time we actually have fought.
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    Oct 11, 2010 1:03 AM GMT
    aunty_jack saidJust because a few gay youth have taken their own lives. This may still well of come to pass, even if homosexuals of America had what they perceive as equity,; just because you change a law doesn't mean you change attitudes; just go look at Tasmania. I recall the Black Panthers also did damage to the cause too, that turned many away.
    You don't want us to have equal LEGAL rights just because it won't change the public's opinion?
    Fuck the public opinion. There will always be haters. I just want equal rights.
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    Oct 11, 2010 1:04 AM GMT
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    travelfan saidNah, I don't think violence is the answer.
    Blacks fought for their rights, and they got them.
    Women fought for their rights, and they got them.
    Gays have been passive-aggressive about our rights, and we keep getting voted down.
    Wake up, please. We're not going to win until we get violent, and fight for our rights.


    King was anti-violence, Ghandi was anti-violence, and last time I checked Susan B. Anthony wasn't going around beating people up.

    I am all for "fighting" for your rights through protesting, debating and living life as a good role model. Actual violence or harassment never makes anybody like you more, it may fire up your base but it will just make the other side stubborn, hateful and resentful. In fact in many ways it does harm to your cause.

    I still stand by my earlier claim and there is nothing that would change my mind about it. I don't think violence is ever the answer unless you are being fought against physically (not metaphorically, but actual physical violence).
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    Oct 11, 2010 1:10 AM GMT
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    paulflexes said
    travelfan saidNah, I don't think violence is the answer.
    Blacks fought for their rights, and they got them.
    Women fought for their rights, and they got them.
    Gays have been passive-aggressive about our rights, and we keep getting voted down.
    Wake up, please. We're not going to win until we get violent, and fight for our rights.


    ditto.




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    Oct 11, 2010 1:12 AM GMT
    aunty_jack saidJust because a few gay youth have taken their own lives.


    You're a truly disgusting human being.
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    Oct 11, 2010 1:14 AM GMT
    Lawd have mercy.....
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    Oct 11, 2010 1:16 AM GMT
    travelfan saidI don't think violence is ever the answer unless you are being fought against physically (not metaphorically, but actual physical violence).
    I agree...to a certain extent.
    But sometimes violence is necessary to get a point across, especially when dealing with politics.
    I hate hurting people as much as the next person, but I have no problem hurting people who wish to see us hurt...whether they physically act on that wish or not...because SOMEONE will act on it eventually. And as long as the laws are in their favor, they'll be more likely to act.
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    Oct 11, 2010 1:16 AM GMT
    I can't think of any more rights that we need in Canada. Americans are still fighting for marriage. But the problem is your right-wing crazies. If it weren't for them, you'd have national gay marriage already like Canada does.
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    Oct 11, 2010 1:23 AM GMT
    paulflexes said
    travelfan saidI don't think violence is ever the answer unless you are being fought against physically (not metaphorically, but actual physical violence).
    I agree...to a certain extent.
    But sometimes violence is necessary to get a point across, especially when dealing with politics.
    I hate hurting people as much as the next person, but I have no problem hurting people who wish to see us hurt...whether they physically act on that wish or not...because SOMEONE will act on it eventually. And as long as the laws are in their favor, they'll be more likely to act.


    See, I just disagree with this. But I could see how some would hold this opinion. I just don't think there is ever an excuse to start violence. If anything, I think it just opens up more violence against us in the future. I don't think beating a bigot up would have any positive effect on getting gay marriage passed (for example), and in fact might hurt the cause. Would it make me feel better temporarily? Yeah, but I don't think it has any positive effect in the end.
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    Oct 11, 2010 1:24 AM GMT
    1. You've misrepresented the BPP.

    2. There's already a group, Bash Back, that is a militant gay organization. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bash_Back!?wasRedirected=true