A Memorial of the 10 Recent Gay Teen Suicide Victims

  • masculumpedes

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    Oct 12, 2010 12:19 AM GMT
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    Oct 12, 2010 12:22 AM GMT
    my heart break for them. I was bullied by my family member
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    Oct 12, 2010 12:36 AM GMT
    I really wish we could have reach them an told them to hang on. That they belong to an amazing community and it will be better.
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    Oct 12, 2010 1:12 AM GMT
    Condolences to their families...
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    Oct 12, 2010 1:15 AM GMT
    I have to disagree with the phrase "suicide victim". They aren't victims of suicide, it is a choice they made. Referring to them simply as suicides would be more accurate. They may be victims of other things, but not suicide.
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    Oct 12, 2010 1:16 AM GMT
    poor boys :-/
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    Oct 12, 2010 1:19 AM GMT
    It is so tragic and sad. Too bad they could not find the love and support necessary to avert the actions they took. When you are publicly humiliated it is so destructive to your heart, and your mind and soul. The most sensitive, caring, and loving kids will choose this route, and it is heart breaking at the least, indescribably tragic at the most.
  • deadlydsires

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    Oct 12, 2010 1:19 AM GMT
    that's just not fair to them man. they were all pushed to it by someone, many people or living standards. i myself considered suicide but i joined the military to combat that feeling some of them were to young to have any obvious options.
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    Oct 12, 2010 1:20 AM GMT
    Fearthefall saidI have to disagree with the phrase "suicide victim". They aren't victims of suicide, it is a choice they made. Referring to them simply as suicides would be more accurate. They may be victims of other things, but not suicide.


    Semantics. Splitting hairs. Doesn't change the underlying facts. Its a tragedy any way you look at it. And a waste of life intended for a purpose.
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    Oct 12, 2010 1:21 AM GMT
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    I think about it all the time lately.
    I wish I woulda been there.
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    Oct 12, 2010 1:22 AM GMT
    Fearthefall saidI have to disagree with the phrase "suicide victim". They aren't victims of suicide, it is a choice they made. Referring to them simply as suicides would be more accurate. They may be victims of other things, but not suicide.


    a choice? THEYRE FUCKING KIDS!!! They dont know enough to make choices, they're brains arent fully developed. Kids are supposed to worry about making good grades and about who theyre going to take to the sadie hawkins dance. When you have the offspring of people who preach and teach intolerance in their face telling them their nothing, they'll never be anything but an abomination why would they want to live? Constantly making every step they take a living hell, dreading the days that come, those children who where bullies took the choice of wanting to live from those kids. so yes, they are victims.
  • offshore

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    Oct 12, 2010 2:05 AM GMT
    waxon said
    Fearthefall saidI have to disagree with the phrase "suicide victim". They aren't victims of suicide, it is a choice they made. Referring to them simply as suicides would be more accurate. They may be victims of other things, but not suicide.


    a choice? THEYRE FUCKING KIDS!!! They dont know enough to make choices, they're brains arent fully developed. Kids are supposed to worry about making good grades and about who theyre going to take to the sadie hawkins dance. When you have the offspring of people who preach and teach intolerance in their face telling them their nothing, they'll never be anything but an abomination why would they want to live? Constantly making every step they take a living hell, dreading the days that come, those children who where bullies took the choice of wanting to live from those kids. so yes, they are victims.


    Perfectly spoken!
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    Oct 12, 2010 4:11 AM GMT
    waxon said
    Fearthefall saidI have to disagree with the phrase "suicide victim". They aren't victims of suicide, it is a choice they made. Referring to them simply as suicides would be more accurate. They may be victims of other things, but not suicide.


    a choice? THEYRE FUCKING KIDS!!! They dont know enough to make choices, they're brains arent fully developed. Kids are supposed to worry about making good grades and about who theyre going to take to the sadie hawkins dance. When you have the offspring of people who preach and teach intolerance in their face telling them their nothing, they'll never be anything but an abomination why would they want to live? Constantly making every step they take a living hell, dreading the days that come, those children who where bullies took the choice of wanting to live from those kids. so yes, they are victims.


    I think he essentially means what you just posted. They are victims of homophobia which drives them to suicide. However, you can't be a victim of suicide since suicide is a self choice. It is kinda like saying "victim of crack addiction", no one can make you be addicted to crack but they can feed you crack to contribute to your addiction.
  • TadPohl

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    Oct 12, 2010 9:19 AM GMT
    sfinboston saidI really wish we could have reach them an told them to hang on. That they belong to an amazing community and it will be better.


    If you feel like you'd like to help some poor kid like the ones who took their lives because of bullying and the possible inability to deal with their sexuality, then I encourage you to make a donation..... financially or through volunteering for an organization like the Trevor Project or within your own community.

    http://www.thetrevorproject.org/

    I believe that it's because of organizations like The Trevor Project, that the potential for gay youths to find support, reasons to feel self confident and opportunities to find self-worth exists.
    Please... support our community.

    I was fortunate to have people who cared for me, saved me from feeling worthless, unloved, isolated and completely lost in the world because I'm gay.
    It would be awesome to reach out and bless other gays with the same light.
    I encourage you to look into it.

    Volunteering:
    http://www.thetrevorproject.org/volunteers/opportunities


    Financial Donation ($5-$500plus)
    http://www.thetrevorproject.org/investors/ways-give
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    Oct 12, 2010 10:04 AM GMT
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    waxon said
    Fearthefall saidI have to disagree with the phrase "suicide victim". They aren't victims of suicide, it is a choice they made. Referring to them simply as suicides would be more accurate. They may be victims of other things, but not suicide.


    a choice? THEYRE FUCKING KIDS!!! They dont know enough to make choices, they're brains arent fully developed. Kids are supposed to worry about making good grades and about who theyre going to take to the sadie hawkins dance. When you have the offspring of people who preach and teach intolerance in their face telling them their nothing, they'll never be anything but an abomination why would they want to live? Constantly making every step they take a living hell, dreading the days that come, those children who where bullies took the choice of wanting to live from those kids. so yes, they are victims.


    Perfectly spoken!


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  • DukeAtreides

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    Oct 12, 2010 12:03 PM GMT
    Fearthefall, and those who agreed with him that the term victim was inappropriate - as a suicide researcher, I can tell you that the most prominent people in the field refer to those who die by suicide as victims.

    They didn't deserve to die and they certainly were not thinking clearly. They may be victims of a society that couldn't accept them, or victims of a way of thinking that didn't allow them to accept themselves. Whatever the reasons, even if we can't ever know the reasons, assume they were victims - and don't insult their families and loved ones by insinuating that this was the fault of the teens themselves. Removing the label of victim tends to place blame - and these teens were certainly not to blame for their acts. Wherever they were, mentally and emotionally, they likely saw this as their only choice.

    Let's be certain to remember them - and do our best not to let it happen again.
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    Oct 12, 2010 1:26 PM GMT
    My prayers and thoughts, as well as those of many of the United Methodist churches in my area, are with these young men and their family and friends.

    It's truly sad that it had to come to this, and in this fashion nonetheless, in order for our country to stand up and take notice. I really don't believe that these suicides happened by 'accident' if you know what I mean. I see it not only as a call for the heterosexual community but for the gay community as well. WE need to show this young generation that we ARE NOT defined by our sex. And WE also need to come together to provide positive and uplifting examples of other GLBTQA-people and living.
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    Oct 12, 2010 2:20 PM GMT
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    offshore said
    waxon said
    Fearthefall saidI have to disagree with the phrase "suicide victim". They aren't victims of suicide, it is a choice they made. Referring to them simply as suicides would be more accurate. They may be victims of other things, but not suicide.


    a choice? THEYRE FUCKING KIDS!!! They dont know enough to make choices, they're brains arent fully developed. Kids are supposed to worry about making good grades and about who theyre going to take to the sadie hawkins dance. When you have the offspring of people who preach and teach intolerance in their face telling them their nothing, they'll never be anything but an abomination why would they want to live? Constantly making every step they take a living hell, dreading the days that come, those children who where bullies took the choice of wanting to live from those kids. so yes, they are victims.


    Perfectly spoken!


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    Third-ed.

  • OklahomaBreak...

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    Oct 13, 2010 1:19 AM GMT
    http://normanok.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=2&clip_id=163

    Here is a link to the city council meeting that Zach Harrington attended. Skip to 34 minutes in to hear the public forum part. The best and worse of my state in this tragedy.
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    Oct 13, 2010 4:02 AM GMT
    cmhoh1985 said, " WE need to show this young generation that we ARE NOT defined by our sex."

    Even if we don't, all of us; many straight people do and will. They constitute 90% of society. I think the challenge is how they think of our sexual and romantic needs, not so much that they do think of us in sexual orientation references. (after all, we do call them straights, lol)


    -Doug
  • BIG_N_TALL

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    Oct 13, 2010 4:22 AM GMT
    This just depresses me so much. I was fortunate in high school and college - I think my size saved me from a lot of physical abuse. Mostly social abuse in high school, but college... there was virtually no abuse I can think of what so ever.

    I think that is another factor the media tends to avoid when they call this "bullying".... the bottom damn line is that this is abuse. If this sort of social abuse happened to another demographic, you wouldn't be able to avoid the epic bitching on TV. icon_evil.gif

    It really bothered me in college when I had gay guys ask me to escort them places because they weren't comfortable going alone because of the abuse they'd encounter. I didn't mind walking with them though. No one should feel that unsafe anywhere.
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    Oct 13, 2010 4:27 AM GMT
    Fearthefall saidI have to disagree with the phrase "suicide victim". They aren't victims of suicide, it is a choice they made. Referring to them simply as suicides would be more accurate. They may be victims of other things, but not suicide.


    I can't disagree more. These guys wouldn't have been driven to suicide if it wasn't for the abuse they encountered. Their abusers might not have 'pulled the trigger,' so to speak, but they sure as hell helped hand them the 'gun' that is the suicide option. Every last one of their abusers should be made an example of - with or with out the criminal justice system.
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    Oct 13, 2010 3:19 PM GMT
    someone recently linked me to a thread on Justusboys.

    I started reading it and thought "hey this is kinda like what happened to that one guy who killed himself..."


    then I kept reading, and saw how he had stopped replying. then I saw how the forum members were worrying, trying to reach out to this kid. then I saw how the thread was closed, and the moderator said that it was because it may have been evidence in the investigation.

    it hits close to home for sure. I can't say much more than what's already been said, but I'll definitely be wearing purple on the 20th.
  • masculumpedes

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    Oct 20, 2010 7:51 PM GMT
    Today is Spirit Day! icon_biggrin.gif
  • LEOPOLDIVX

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    Oct 20, 2010 8:05 PM GMT
    Fearthefall saidI have to disagree with the phrase "suicide victim". They aren't victims of suicide, it is a choice they made. Referring to them simply as suicides would be more accurate. They may be victims of other things, but not suicide.



    icon_evil.gif On behalf of all those who saw no way out...... F**k you. Suicide hurts so many and the ones that get left behind have to deal with it. Maybe if more people opend the heart that they have we would not have this problem.

    They and the families they left behind become victims.

    However should you commite suicide we will make sure to remove the word victim beings your opposed to its use. icon_biggrin.gif