"A Grand Celebration" WILL HILLARY GIVE OBAMA ANY CONSIDERATION FOR VICE PRESIDENT"??

  • HndsmKansan

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    Mar 05, 2008 12:28 PM GMT
    Well.. that title yanked the chains of you Obama supporters didn't it?

    The above makes as much sense as those of you (and others) who have made remarks about Hillary "going quietly into the night" or "fading out".

    The results last night were a real thrill. I was pleased. While I have said (and say) I will vote for Obama if he is the nominee, what Hillary showed were real guts. She "decked him" while he was focused on McCain and trying to look like he already had the nomination in hand. Besides being outspent 2 to 1, she still made it....

    And now? Delegates? Michigan and Florida. Those primaries will be reset. It isn't over... it won't be until the convention.
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    Mar 05, 2008 12:49 PM GMT
    Great! Just donated another $1,000 to Barack Obama!
    Unfortunately, I just hit my primary donation limit. But wait, my partner hasn't. Get out the checkbook honey!
  • HndsmKansan

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    Mar 05, 2008 12:51 PM GMT
    Well his money didn't help this time did it?

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    Mar 05, 2008 12:59 PM GMT
    Well, at least he didn't have to borrow $5 million of his own money. And yes, it did help him. He still leads in overall pledged delegates with Clinton netting just a handful from last night. And we won't know about the Texas caucus results until after this weekend since voters have until Friday to submit them - which frankly, is F'ed up.

    And with that money, he began campaigning in Wyoming and Mississippi two weeks ago. And at least Obama hasn't had to pay an overpriced consultant $9 million.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Mar 05, 2008 1:16 PM GMT
    Well it must have helped her, she beat him last night.
    I would say her money was well spent. Her own loan
    was a prudent investment.

    We'll see won't we?
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    Mar 05, 2008 4:29 PM GMT
    If Hillary becomes the nominee (still doubtful) then that is a strong possibility. I think it could be the most "interesting" Democratic convention since 1968.
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    Mar 05, 2008 6:09 PM GMT
    Texas is still figuring out their caucus results. With 36% reporting Obama leads with 52%. She is winning the primary with 51%. So, without texas included in last nights results, she only had a net gain of 18 delegates. Which means he still leads her by 80.

    While HRC did phenomenally well last night she still has a major uphill battle. Every remaining state, with the exception of PA, looks mighty favorable to Obama. Neither candidate, though, can win this election on popular delegates alone. If they each get 50% of the vote Clinton will need 450 super delegates and Obama 349 to win this thing.

    I was really hoping this would be over so I could stop making phone calls for Obama, stop reading ever poll, and get a life again.
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    Mar 05, 2008 6:13 PM GMT
    The lastthing I read is that Obama still have a huge lead and it's doubtful that can over take Obama!

    It's going to get worse before it gets better!icon_biggrin.gif
  • jarhead5536

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    Mar 05, 2008 6:20 PM GMT
    Obama had a twenty point lead as recently as a week ago, and still couldn't or wouldn't close the deal. She has no choice but to put him on the ticket to save the party from serious fracture, but he clearly has some electability issues of his own and is not ready to be President.
  • jerseyguy

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    Mar 05, 2008 6:25 PM GMT
    I still don't think she'll win the nomination. The numbers aren't in her favor. But if she does, I think there'll be such intense pressure from within the party to put Obama on the ticket that she'll have no choice. Now the question becomes if he's the nominee, will he pick her?
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    Mar 05, 2008 6:26 PM GMT
    The up-side to this whole election cycle is that it's keeping Democrats and progressives as focused and energized as the Christian Conservatives were in the 90's. If the Left can do what the Right did back then - regardless of whether it's Clinton, Obama, or a joint ticket - that will be a step in the right direction.

    Speaking of which, I'd also be curious to see if they ran as a joint ticket as was mentioned in today's Boston Globe: http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/03/clinton_obama_t.html

    Neither of them is likely to settle for VP after all this, but they could use each other's strengths (his likability & progressive leanings and her political acumen & connections). Unfortunately, I don't think they'd work well together.
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    Mar 05, 2008 6:30 PM GMT
    Just heard at the office:

    "If Hillary cannot stop her husband at 3am, how can she stop the terrorists?" Yeah...it sure is fun to provoke others, isn't it?

    I have an idea. Why don't each and every one of us create a thread that proclaims our allegiance for our candidate, gloat a little, and then wait for the outpouring of approval and/or attention we so desperately crave? Don't forget to use allcaps. That makes people notice you more. And that's the point, right?

    After all, the satisfaction of simply voting our preference in a manner that others cannot see does not adequately feed the ego now does it?


  • DiverScience

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    Mar 05, 2008 6:46 PM GMT
    That would imply logic, Rugger. And we learned long ago that logic has little place in the electoral process. Hell even "values" have little place. It's all about who can play the constituency's emotions more adeptly.
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    Mar 05, 2008 6:50 PM GMT
    Ohio handed McCain the presidency last night, as it demonstrated to him that many people in this country are easily frightened (red phone...) and or racist (most of Ohio, and I can say as this I'm from one of those all Hillary southeast areas so shamefully on display on 60 Minutes this past Sunday.)

    Worse, the gay people voting for her. It's just sheer misdirection and misplaced loyalty to talk, despite the sheer treachery of DADT and DoMA (which she openly states she refuses to repeal, meaning no chance of federal legal recognition,) the bus under which we were thrown that demonstrated to the Rethuglicans that we would be the best wedge issue they've had since Roe v Wade.

    It's not that I think Obama is better prepared than here...but she has demonstrated in the past, in conjunction with Bill, a willingness to do whatever it takes to achieve HER best interests. The gay community's lemming behavior after her will lead us nowhere good.
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    Mar 05, 2008 6:53 PM GMT
    As long as who ever gets voted in gets the fuel gouging under control and doesn't touch my second amendment rights.

    I've never seen a worse case of sheeple letting their government run them over. Lets take it back boys, who's with me! LOL!

    Jeff
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    Mar 05, 2008 6:56 PM GMT
    Let's hear it for guns and gasoline. Woo hoo!!!

    *not*
  • HndsmKansan

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    Mar 05, 2008 6:59 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie said

    I was really hoping this would be over so I could stop making phone calls for Obama, stop reading ever poll, and get a life again.



    I think you could regain your life at any time, you just say "Obama for Hillary's VP"... LOL
  • jarhead5536

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    Mar 05, 2008 6:59 PM GMT
    Obama will agree to VP on the condition that The Big Dog is removed from the equation. Bubba taking on the role of de facto VP (because you know he'll try) will be unacceptable, so he needs to be sent abroad, early and often, for the duration of Hillary's presidency...

    A joint ticket is the only way to unify the party.
  • irishkcguy

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    Mar 05, 2008 7:08 PM GMT
    All this blather about how big her victories were last night and she only gained 12 delegates. She had to win huge and she didn't. Obama still leads her in national polls and total votes cast.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Mar 05, 2008 7:13 PM GMT
    irishkcguy saidAll this blather about how big her victories were last night and she only gained 12 delegates. She had to win huge and she didn't. Obama still leads her in national polls and total votes cast.




    More than blather. She has blocked him from getting it outright.. its now politics with the superdelegates.
    We will see how she handles all as things move forward.
    His delegate count will now be a bargaining chip.

    P.S. Ohio was huge, she won in every category, except with the black contingent.
  • irishkcguy

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    Mar 05, 2008 7:24 PM GMT
    It will be interesting to see if she will subvert the will of the people.


  • jarhead5536

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    Mar 05, 2008 7:29 PM GMT
    irishkcguy saidIt will be interesting to see if she will subvert the will of the people.




    Actually, she took the lead in the popular vote last night, which perhaps qualifies as the will of the people.

    Clinton - 13,079,597
    Obama - 12,674,318

    That's not nuthin', folks. Whatever happens, both of them need the superdelegates to get to 2025 anyway...
  • auryn

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    Mar 05, 2008 7:33 PM GMT
    XRuggerATX saidJust heard at the office:

    "If Hillary cannot stop her husband at 3am, how can she stop the terrorists?" Yeah...it sure is fun to provoke others, isn't it?

    I have an idea. Why don't each and every one of us create a thread that proclaims our allegiance for our candidate, gloat a little, and then wait for the outpouring of approval and/or attention we so desperately crave? Don't forget to use allcaps. That makes people notice you more. And that's the point, right?

    After all, the satisfaction of simply voting our preference in a manner that others cannot see does not adequately feed the ego now does it?




    I've heard that at work too Rugger. Since she's using that points of her White House experience and that she'd be good to answer a phone call, she'd better be ready to answer that question.

    It's 3am, Mrs. Clinton. Did you know where your husband was, and if you did, did you care? How can we trust that you'll actually care about us if that phone rings?

    I think she needs to keep in mind that she'll have a huge battle to win back a lot of the staunch Obama supporters. I'm hearing of some that are talking about voting for Nader or McCain if she ends up being the nominee. And! the Republicans are loving it, which is why Fox News and Limbaugh are starting to promote her; they think McCain can beat her, so they'll push for her and help her upset Obama. He'd better start showing the pair that he has, and quit being so passive aggressive.

    I, for one, don't like her current tactics and have been on the fence for a long time, but she's making me want to start doing something to support Obama and hold my nose while voting for her if she's the nominee.

    She'd better have some serious tricks up her sleeve to do damage control if she wins.

    As for the question in the topic of this forum, I hope she'd have a cabinet position for him, at the very least if she wins.
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    Mar 05, 2008 7:36 PM GMT
    Well guys !!!! Whatever happens I want a DEMOCRAT in the Whitehouse. I actually hope that Clinton and Obama teem up, whatever the order, I do agree with Jarhead that Bill needs to be sent to Europe and anywhere else to promote better relations with the USA, and he should stay behind the scenes. I think if these two get together, that we could not lose the whitehouse !!! GOD HOW I HOPE NOT !!!!
  • irishkcguy

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    Mar 05, 2008 7:36 PM GMT
    Actually Obama is leading in the popular vote by 3,000 votes. That is including Michigan and Florida. If you remove them he is ahead by about 700,000.