BREAKING NEWS!!!!! DADT HAS BEEN STRUCK DOWN ACROSS THE NATION BY A FEDERAL JUDGE!!!!!!

  • coolarmydude

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    Oct 12, 2010 8:10 PM GMT
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    Oct 12, 2010 8:15 PM GMT
    No such thing. No US District Judge can do this. Only the US Supreme Court can make such a US national decision, and it will reverse this tentative lower court decision in favor of upholding DADT as soon as the appeal reaches it.

    This kind of false & sensationalist posting is really uncalled for and out of line here, ya know?
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    Oct 12, 2010 8:21 PM GMT
    Our legal system is f*cked. Can you imagine how many innocent people have been unjustly convicted and put to death for crimes they did not do?

    Everytime I hear someone say, "Our legal system worked as it should," I want to puke. IT DOES NOT!
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    Oct 12, 2010 8:25 PM GMT
    wrestlervic saidOur legal system is f*cked. Can you imagine how many innocent people have been unjustly convicted and put to death for crimes they did not do?

    Everytime I hear someone say, "Our legal system worked as it should," I want to puke. IT DOES NOT!

    I agree, most rational people know the US justice system is perhaps the worst on Earth. The US has one-quarter of the jailed prisoners in the entire world, despite having only 15% of the population, the highest incarceration rate of any country, even higher than Russian. China or North Korea. But what is the relevance to this DADT ruling? We know the US is the most abusive police state on Earth, but please relate that to DADT.
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    Oct 12, 2010 9:13 PM GMT
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    wrestlervic saidOur legal system is f*cked. Can you imagine how many innocent people have been unjustly convicted and put to death for crimes they did not do?

    Everytime I hear someone say, "Our legal system worked as it should," I want to puke. IT DOES NOT!

    I agree, most rational people know the US justice system is perhaps the worst on Earth. The US has one-quarter of the jailed prisoners in the entire world, despite having only 15% of the population, the highest incarceration rate of any country, even higher than Russian. China or North Korea. But what is the relevance to this DADT ruling? We know the US is the most abusive police state on Earth, but please relate that to DADT.


    Wow. Your ignorance of the world and real police states is breathtaking.
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    Oct 12, 2010 10:27 PM GMT
    I would just like to point out that it was the Log Republicans that took this to court in 2004 which finally got this ruling. This is not the result of Obama. Not at all.
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    Oct 12, 2010 10:41 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    wrestlervic saidOur legal system is f*cked. Can you imagine how many innocent people have been unjustly convicted and put to death for crimes they did not do?

    Everytime I hear someone say, "Our legal system worked as it should," I want to puke. IT DOES NOT!

    I agree, most rational people know the US justice system is perhaps the worst on Earth. The US has one-quarter of the jailed prisoners in the entire world, despite having only 15% of the population, the highest incarceration rate of any country, even higher than Russian. China or North Korea. But what is the relevance to this DADT ruling? We know the US is the most abusive police state on Earth, but please relate that to DADT.


    Wow, and pardon me, but where were you educated? Are you an American? Why do you live in this country? Go tell that to the millions of people who are prosecuted in the countries you mentioned and add to it Iran, Saudi Arabia, and other shitty places. As far as DADT, the ruling should stand if the justice department doesn't appeal... so yes, one judge can make such a national decision, that is "if" our dear president doesn't f#ck it up.
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    Oct 12, 2010 10:57 PM GMT
    Sorry folks, factually Art_Deco is perfectly on point (I don't about the US system being the worst though):
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_StatesThe United States has the highest documented incarceration rate in the world.[1][2] The U.S. incarceration rate on December 31, 2008 was 754 inmates per 100,000 U.S. residents, or 0.75%.[3] The USA also has the highest total documented prison and jail population in the world.[1][4][5]

    According to the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS): "In 2008, over 7.3 million people were on probation, in jail or prison, or on parole at year-end — 3.2% of all U.S. adult residents or 1 in every 31 adults."[6]


    Of course some systems don't document their incarceration, nor can their economic systems support the huge population we have incarcerated here. Is that a good or bad thing? I don't know.

    Back to the main story...
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    Oct 12, 2010 11:08 PM GMT
    This judges ruling, unfortunately, will not change anything, as you will see.
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    Oct 12, 2010 11:42 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidNo such thing. No US District Judge can do this. Only the US Supreme Court can make such a US national decision, and it will reverse this tentative lower court decision in favor o fupholding DADT as soon as the appeal reaches it.

    This kind of false & sensationalist posting is really uncalled for and out of line here, ya know?

    I am not sure you are correct, Art. A federal district judge can strike down a law, I think. But that ruling can be appealed to the Supreme Court. It is only final after the appeal to the Supreme Court. But it is still a big deal for any federal judge to strike down a law cuz it does set precedence even for the Supreme Court.
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    Oct 12, 2010 11:51 PM GMT
    Obama is the greatest ass there ever has been as a president and another black person will not be elected president for 100 years because of his poor performance!

    "Legal experts say government attorneys are not likely to let the ruling stand since Obama has made it clear he wants Congress to repeal the policy."

    But then again....since the Dems are fighting for their lives in this next election, he might get pressure to not have the Justice Dept challenge the ruling in hopes that gays will vote Democratic.

    But Obama will still be an ass!
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    Oct 13, 2010 12:27 AM GMT
    The fact that gay republicans are the ones making this effort will be ignored by the majority of the gay community. They'll probably convince themselves it was the doing of liberals.

  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Oct 13, 2010 12:36 AM GMT
    Art_Deco saidWe know the US is the most abusive police state on Earth, but please relate that to DADT.


    No, WE don't know that. YOU in your paranoia may think that, but it is not even remotely true.


    Regarding the DADT ruling, I agree with Caslon that perhaps the Obama Administration will not try to fight this. I hope he doesn't. Why would he if he truly wants DADT to be repealed anyway?
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    Oct 13, 2010 12:37 AM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidThe fact that gay republicans are the ones making this effort will be ignored by the majority of the gay community. They'll probably convince themselves it was the doing of liberals.


    It will be totally ironic if the LCR pull this off and the Dems are left with nothing to show the gay community for all the decades of our support!

    Actually, I wouldnt be surprised if the Dems are afraid to resolve gay issues cuz that would free up gays to start voting based on other issues...and voting Republican.
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    Oct 13, 2010 12:42 AM GMT
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    Art_Deco said
    wrestlervic saidOur legal system is f*cked. Can you imagine how many innocent people have been unjustly convicted and put to death for crimes they did not do?

    Everytime I hear someone say, "Our legal system worked as it should," I want to puke. IT DOES NOT!

    I agree, most rational people know the US justice system is perhaps the worst on Earth. The US has one-quarter of the jailed prisoners in the entire world, despite having only 15% of the population, the highest incarceration rate of any country, even higher than Russian. China or North Korea. But what is the relevance to this DADT ruling? We know the US is the most abusive police state on Earth, but please relate that to DADT.


    Wow. Your ignorance of the world and real police states is breathtaking.


    His statement has nothing to do with ignorance about police states.

    I'm sure he's very much aware in what ways countries like Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, etc etc are worse.

    But that's not the point.

    If those countries have become the comparison materials for the US, rather than Europe or Canada, what level has the US sunk to exactly?

    Yes, I thought so.
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    Oct 13, 2010 12:45 AM GMT
    Hypothetically, if DADT was struck down, that would mean the Armed forces would have recognize the LGBT people already within its ranks. Would it also mean recognizing their relationships, dependents, and families? Does anyone know what the end of DADT would mean for the families of LGBT service members? icon_idea.gif

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    Oct 13, 2010 12:46 AM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidThe fact that gay republicans are the ones making this effort will be ignored by the majority of the gay community. They'll probably convince themselves it was the doing of liberals.




    Just because it may be ignored by many on this site doesn't mean it will be ignored by the majority of the gay community. I hope it will be enlightening.
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    Oct 13, 2010 12:53 AM GMT
    JAKEBENSON saidI would just like to point out that it was the Log Republicans that took this to court in 2004 which finally got this ruling. This is not the result of Obama. Not at all.


    No because he is out playing golf. But is it not in his power to repel it, after all was it not Free willy Bill Clinton who created this in the first place?
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    Oct 13, 2010 12:59 AM GMT
    mocktwinkie,

    Do you mind if I ask who you will be voting for in this year's election?
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    Oct 13, 2010 12:59 AM GMT
    Caslon16000 saidObama is the greatest ass there ever has been as a president and another black person will not be elected president for 100 years because of his poor performance!

    "Legal experts say government attorneys are not likely to let the ruling stand since Obama has made it clear he wants Congress to repeal the policy."

    But then again....since the Dems are fighting for their lives in this next election, he might get pressure to not have the Justice Dept challenge the ruling in hopes that gays will vote Democratic.

    But Obama will still be an ass!


    It is good that Obama and the DOJ wont let it stand. The administration cannot be selective about which laws it chooses to enforce even if we find those laws to be abhorrent. Granted, I would much prefer to see the administration just get rid of the policy which is perfectly within his power. But this is the route the administration has unwisely chosen and that requires them to challenge it in court.

    And man, if someone doesn't want to vote for another black man because of Obama's performance then they are a racist and should rightfully take their vote and cram it up their ass.
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    Oct 13, 2010 1:02 AM GMT
    Art_Deco saidNo such thing. No US District Judge can do this. Only the US Supreme Court can make such a US national decision, and it will reverse this tentative lower court decision in favor o fupholding DADT as soon as the appeal reaches it.

    This kind of false & sensationalist posting is really uncalled for and out of line here, ya know?


    There are many statements you have made that I disagree with bu this one takes the cake. I will not rehash all the other qualified arguments in this thread. I will say it is uncalled for for you to go after the OP for posting something that is totally relevant to our progress as a Nation.
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    Oct 13, 2010 1:02 AM GMT
    Caslon16000 saidObama is the greatest ass there ever has been as a president and another black person will not be elected president for 100 years because of his poor performance!]



    You might want to clarify what you meant here, Cas, because I know you didn't mean it to sound as bigoted as it did.
  • metta

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    Oct 13, 2010 1:03 AM GMT
    Mr. President: Please Let DADT Die

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    Opponents of this discriminatory policy, however, should not be popping corks. The Department of Justice - which already sought unsuccessfully to limit the injunction's effect to the plaintiffs, the Log Cabin Republicans - will almost certainly ask the Court to stay today's injunction, and will appeal Judge Phillips' ruling. Then, as the case works its way through the courts, discharges of qualified men and women who serve our country will continue for years to come.

    This does not have to happen. Legal experts have concurred: President Obama can permanently end "don't ask, don't tell" today, simply by ordering the DOJ not to appeal the Log Cabin ruling. This is now the White House's ideal option for ending "don't ask, don't tell," for no shortage of reasons.
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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/aaron-belkin/mr-president-please-let-d_b_760390.html



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    The government now has 60 days to appeal the ruling, which gives the administration until after the midterm elections next month to make a decision. But it also presents President Barack Obama with a dilemma as he continues to try to rally his Democratic base.
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    http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/federal+judge+issues+Tell+policy/3660312/story.html#ixzz12CFUc4LZ
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Oct 13, 2010 1:07 AM GMT
    metta8 said
    Mr. President: Please Let DADT Die

    [quote]
    Opponents of this discriminatory policy, however, should not be popping corks. The Department of Justice - which already sought unsuccessfully to limit the injunction's effect to the plaintiffs, the Log Cabin Republicans - will almost certainly ask the Court to stay today's injunction, and will appeal Judge Phillips' ruling. Then, as the case works its way through the courts, discharges of qualified men and women who serve our country will continue for years to come.

    This does not have to happen. Legal experts have concurred: President Obama can permanently end "don't ask, don't tell" today, simply by ordering the DOJ not to appeal the Log Cabin ruling. This is now the White House's ideal option for ending "don't ask, don't tell," for no shortage of reasons.


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/aaron-belkin/mr-president-please-let-d_b_760390.html[/quote]



    This just makes sense to me. DADT is going to get repealed eventually anyway, so it seems this ruling today was just a short cut to getting it done once and for all. I really really REALLY hope Obama shows some balls here and does NOT fight this. I agree with the point MuchieZombie made, but sometimes just plain old fashioned common sense should prevail. The congress has more important things to be focused on than DADT.
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    Oct 13, 2010 1:12 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidThe congress has more important things to be focused on than DADT.


    Yeah, like raising money for themselves or their colleagues. Happy election season everybody! icon_biggrin.gif