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Canada or Australia? Where will you move as the U.S. gridlocks and fails?

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    QUOTE Oct 12, 2010 8:14 PM GMT
    As you may have noticed, Obama didn't have the balls or smarts to realize that no Republican would work with him. He was trying to be too "nice." So, once he loses control of the House or Senate in November, and nothing will EVER get done in this country for DECADES and DECADES, I've been thinking about where I should move and retire.

    Canada or Australia? God knows if the heat continues like it did this summer (67 straight days of 90+ temps in VA), Canada is looking more appealing. Plus their better attitudes toward gays is nice too.

    Any thoughts? You just gotta know by now that the U.S. is on a failing course, and it will never recover. Sorry, there are just too many stupid people.
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    QUOTE Oct 12, 2010 8:35 PM GMT
    Canada is convenient, but I don't like the weather. I agree we gays need to find a refuge very soon. Another factor is what country will grant us political asylum from Republican gay persecution.

    Both Australia & Canada keep flirting with their own brand of right-wing extremism, and Christian fundamentalists are moving across the Canadian border and making evangelical inroads there. Plus Canada may be reluctant to offend its biggest trading partner by granting US gays political asylum.

    All things considered, I think Australia is where we should be looking.
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    QUOTE Oct 12, 2010 8:37 PM GMT
    Either Curacao or Grand Canaria Spain...haven't made up my mind yet, but I'll be in one or the other eventually.
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    QUOTE Oct 12, 2010 8:39 PM GMT
    The only problem with Australia is the ginormous spiders! And most species of venomous snakes. Gosh, decisions, decisions.
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    QUOTE Oct 12, 2010 8:55 PM GMT
    I would highly encourage you to spend an extended amount of time in whatever location you choose before settling permanently.

    I suspect the "grass is greener" ideology may not play out as you think.

    My choice would be Australia over Canada, hands down. Better weather, better geography, and IMHO, more like the States than Canada (assuming, of course, you want to experience as few cultural adjustments as possible).

    Why not go to Hong Kong where income tax is a flat rate, and there are no capital gains taxes? (You just need to have a few million on hand to pick up a 450 sq ft apartment.)
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    QUOTE Oct 12, 2010 8:57 PM GMT
    Diablo29 saidI would highly encourage you to spend an extended amount of time in whatever location you choose before settling permanently.

    I suspect the "grass is greener" ideology may not play out as you think.

    My choice would be Australia over Canada, hands down. Better weather, better geography, and IMHO, more like the States than Canada (assuming, of course, you want to experience as few cultural adjustments as possible).

    Why not go to Hong Kong where income tax is a flat rate, and there are no capital gains taxes? (You just need to have a few million on hand to pick up a 450 sq ft apartment.)


    If the grass was greener in the U.S., you wouldn't be hiding behind a headless photo.
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    QUOTE Oct 12, 2010 9:04 PM GMT
    wrestlervic said

    If the grass was greener in the U.S., you wouldn't be hiding behind a headless photo.


    ...and to prove my point, how long do you think it would take me to find RJers from both Canada and Australia who only post headless shots? Bet I could do it in less than a minute.

    I am not trying to piss in your cornflakes. If you want to move, you certainly have the choice.

    It's a big deal to change citizenships, so before you do, I would strongly encourage you to live in the target country for a bit before doing the paperwork.

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    QUOTE Oct 12, 2010 9:08 PM GMT
    Diablo29 saidI would highly encourage you to spend an extended amount of time in whatever location you choose before settling permanently.

    I suspect the "grass is greener" ideology may not play out as you think.

    My choice would be Australia over Canada, hands down. Better weather, better geography, and IMHO, more like the States than Canada (assuming, of course, you want to experience as few cultural adjustments as possible).

    Why not go to Hong Kong where income tax is a flat rate, and there are no capital gains taxes? (You just need to have a few million on hand to pick up a 450 sq ft apartment.)


    Australia more like the States than Canada? Surely you jest.

    You couldn't take most Americans and plop them down in Sydney or Perth or anywhere in Oz and have them think they were still in the USA.. You could do that in almost every part of Canada. It looks identical. The houses, the streets, the stores, the cars, everything is identical or so similar as to be unnoticable.
    And then the accent. Everyone knows an Aussie accent doesn't sound anywhere near any American accent whereas most Canadians sound a lot like Americans, with some regional exceptions etc.

    All this weather stuff... the weather here in SW Ontario is no different than say anywhere like Detroit,Cleveland, Chicago etc. Same hot summers, same winters basically.. It's not some frozen wasteland. It's a huge country with all sorts of different weather patterns depending on the region.

    Besides it's an awful long expensive " drive " from Sydney if you want to go home to Virginia for a visit.. I can drive there in a day.
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    QUOTE Oct 12, 2010 9:12 PM GMT
    Canada, I dig cold weather and the accents make me weak in the knees.

    Or the UK, for the same reasons.
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    QUOTE Oct 12, 2010 9:14 PM GMT
    I travelled and lived everywhere (Europe,Australia,US,etc.) and I still believe that Montreal is the best city to live in right now. Cheap cost of living and great parties.
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    QUOTE Oct 12, 2010 9:18 PM GMT
    beneful1 said

    Australia more like the States than Canada? Surely you jest.


    Perhaps the audio/visual aspect, although Australia uses the same freeway signs/font (green background/white lettering) as the USA. icon_smile.gif

    I have lived in both countries for extended periods (4 months in Vancouver, 2 months in Toronto; 6 months in Sydney).

    The lifestyle in Australia was much closer to what I have grown up to in the States. In Canada, my clients were out the door at 5-6 pm everyday. In Australia, we'd pull all-nighters together.

    Australians and Americans share a national pride of home ownership; I don't get that as strongly from Canadians.

    Australians don't find the fact that Americans can have guns as wrong/odd as Canadians. In fact, it's typically the Australians who are next in line to support the big, bad America in the wars that we start. (I don't want this to derail the thread for the OP; I'm just stating an observation and not starting a political discussion.)

    Sydney looks like San Francisco except in the Southern Hemisphere with Los Angeles weather.

    Brisbane looks like San Diego/Honolulu, with similar geography and architecture.

    Obviously, these are my opinions and observations. But based on my experiences living in both places, as one who was born and raised in the US, Australia felt closer to home than Canada, even though it's 4x the distance!

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    QUOTE Oct 12, 2010 9:31 PM GMT
    Why choose, 6 months for the beautiful Canadian summer and 6 months for the beautiful Aussie summer. That's what I'm planning for my future.. Canada is USA Lite, all the same great taste but with 1/2 the calories.
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    QUOTE Oct 12, 2010 9:32 PM GMT
    It is all very well talking about settling in a new country, but getting permanent residency is often very complex. Unless you have a skill, of which there is a shortage in your chosen country, you could be disappointed. Canada and Australia both run immigration on a points system. If you do not have sufficient points, you are unlikely to get in. Furthermore, you may have to wait a few years from application to decision (which could still be a big fat, "No"). It is important to do some research before building up your hopes.
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    QUOTE Oct 12, 2010 9:34 PM GMT
    LOL. This type of discussion has popped up several times over the years, in various forums that I visit. Ever since 9/11, actually.

    - Kids were plotting to move to Canada to avoid a potential draft for the Afghanistan war.
    - People were plotting to move to out of the country because GWB was running the nation to the ground.
    - Then there were the ones that wanted to leave the country because they feared a nation wide race war if Obama won the presidency.
    - Then there were the ones that wanted to leave during the start of the financial meltdown.

    Guess what.. all those people are still living in the USA. Get over it. If you really wanted to leave, then you would have left by now. And I have to agree with Diablo's comment. If you do leave, don't just look at the tourist brochures and all the wonderful things you hear about on the internet. Go live there for a while. Rent a flat for the summer and for the winter. Those two seasons are probably a good measure of how good or miserable the weather could be. Talk to expats and find out about the differences/challenges you'll face if you decide to make a permanent move.

    Anyways, good luck to anyone that decides to leave. Send a postcard. icon_lol.gif
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    QUOTE Oct 12, 2010 9:44 PM GMT
    xrichx saidLOL. This type of discussion has popped up several times over the years, in various forums that I visit. Ever since 9/11, actually.

    - Kids were plotting to move to Canada to avoid a potential draft for the Afghanistan war.
    - People were plotting to move to out of the country because GWB was running the nation to the ground.
    - Then there were the ones that wanted to leave the country because they feared a nation wide race war if Obama won the presidency.
    - Then there were the ones that wanted to leave during the start of the financial meltdown.

    Guess what.. all those people are still living in the USA. Get over it. If you really wanted to leave, then you would have left by now. And I have to agree with Diablo's comment. If you do leave, don't just look at the tourist brochures and all the wonderful things you hear about on the internet. Go live there for a while. Rent a flat for the summer and for the winter. Those two seasons are probably a good measure of how good or miserable the weather could be. Talk to expats and find out about the differences/challenges you'll face if you decide to make a permanent move.

    Anyways, good luck to anyone that decides to leave. Send a postcard. icon_lol.gif


    OK, xrichx, if you plan on staying in the U.S. and having some form of sex with me, I will reconsider. icon_wink.gif
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    QUOTE Oct 12, 2010 10:05 PM GMT
    Those countries only look good cuz you aren't there and don't keep up with their politics etc. Better just to stay here and be involved. When O' gets his ass kicked in Nov he will change his tactics...,but it will be too late.
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    QUOTE Oct 12, 2010 10:07 PM GMT
    I would disagree that the problem was the Republicans. Just sneak a peek into Obama's cabinet. They never had the political will to pass a stimulus plan that would actually, you know, stimulate the economy.

    But as the sun sets on our great American empire I think I will stay here and watch the whole thing smolder.