Anti-gay rhetoric

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    Oct 13, 2010 5:18 AM GMT
    Perhaps I'm being optimistic, but the saber rattling by anti-gays types has me quite excited. The louder they get the more it begins to sound like death throws. Some incredible steps have been taken for gay rights with more in the wings, and our issues are being covered on a near daily basis in all forms of media. In just the last few weeks here on RJ a big number of brothers have shared that they are taking big personal steps to become visible and are declaring their right to be valued fully for who they are. Despite the long, hard fight that lay ahead, everyday I find myself become more and more hopeful.

    Anyone else sensing big changes in the air?
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    Oct 13, 2010 6:57 AM GMT
    I have never seen a main stream reporter so vigorously defend gay people before--it was the lead story of the day too. Before, the Today Show would have been afraid to do such a thing for fear of angering conservative viewers.

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    Oct 13, 2010 7:18 AM GMT
    Shhh....
    You hear that rumbling?
    Theres a REVOLUTION coming.
    And it will be televised.
  • iowaguy000

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    Oct 13, 2010 9:16 AM GMT
    Paladino - what a two faced piece of shit, trying to make it sound as if he empathizes with the gay population, and is ok with gay adults, but doesn't want to expose children to gay people. Where does he think that gay adults came from? Does he think they were born adults? What a fuckstick.

    Kudos to Matt.
  • coolarmydude

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    Oct 13, 2010 10:51 AM GMT
    Derrrrrrrr!

    Which is it, asshole? Do you speak from the heart or do you speak from prepared notes that someone writes for you?

    Derrrrrr!

    This is sheer lunatic fringe!

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    Oct 13, 2010 2:06 PM GMT
    conscienti1984 saidI have never seen a main stream reporter so vigorously defend gay people before--it was the lead story of the day too. Before, the Today Show would have been afraid to do such a thing for fear of angering conservative viewers.

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    I don't think anything he said would anger conservative viewers. This guy has no consistency in his own position! He's pathetic. I'm glad he got exposed like this. If he doesn't like gays, which he obviously doesn't, he should just admit it.
  • mybud

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    Oct 13, 2010 7:30 PM GMT
    RudeMech saidPerhaps I'm being optimistic, but the saber rattling by anti-gays types has me quite excited. The louder they get the more it begins to sound like death throws. Some incredible steps have been taken for gay rights with more in the wings, and our issues are being covered on a near daily basis in all forms of media. In just the last few weeks here on RJ a big number of brothers have shared that they are taking big personal steps to become visible and are declaring their right to be valued fully for who they are. Despite the long, hard fight that lay ahead, everyday I find myself become more and more hopeful.

    Anyone else sensing big changes in the air?


    Being visible is the key to our cause but that also extends to the voting booth...asking for the support of our family...friends...co-workers....Declaring our right for equality is the first step but this is only the initial step ...If we talk the talk....We need to have the nuts to walk the walk....BUD
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    Oct 13, 2010 8:14 PM GMT
    mybud said

    Being visible is the key to our cause but that also extends to the voting booth...asking for the support of our family...friends...co-workers....Declaring our right for equality is the first step but this is only the initial step ...If we talk the talk....We need to have the nuts to walk the walk....BUD


    Agreed! Being out is about being visible not waving a flag! It's about proudly being who you are without shame. There are all kinds of gay men and women in all walks of life and the more of us that claim our right to be seen the less impact negative stereotypes and assumptions can be used against all of us! If you remain silent you give someone else the power to define you.
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    Oct 13, 2010 10:02 PM GMT
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    conscienti1984 saidI have never seen a main stream reporter so vigorously defend gay people before--it was the lead story of the day too. Before, the Today Show would have been afraid to do such a thing for fear of angering conservative viewers.

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    I don't think anything he said would anger conservative viewers. This guy has no consistency in his own position! He's pathetic. I'm glad he got exposed like this. If he doesn't like gays, which he obviously doesn't, he should just admit it.


    No, I mean Matt Lauar. In the past they [the Today Show] have not directly criticized people like Palidino who express anti-gay views. They tried to stay neutral for fear--I'm sure--of upsetting social conservative viewers. It may just be my imagination though.
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    Oct 13, 2010 10:26 PM GMT
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    mocktwinkie said
    conscienti1984 saidI have never seen a main stream reporter so vigorously defend gay people before--it was the lead story of the day too. Before, the Today Show would have been afraid to do such a thing for fear of angering conservative viewers.

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    I don't think anything he said would anger conservative viewers. This guy has no consistency in his own position! He's pathetic. I'm glad he got exposed like this. If he doesn't like gays, which he obviously doesn't, he should just admit it.


    No, I mean Matt Lauar. In the past they [the Today Show] have not directly criticized people like Palidino who express anti-gay views. They tried to stay neutral for fear--I'm sure--of upsetting social conservative viewers. It may just be my imagination though.


    Well, I don't think many social conservatives watch NBC :p.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Oct 13, 2010 10:46 PM GMT
    I think that some of you guys have misunderstood what Carl Paladino said about young children going to gay pride parades. He was referring to some of these guys in speedos onparade floats wiggling and grinding agaist one another. I have to agree with Carl Paladino on that one because I don't think that it is appropriate for little children to see such explicit things in a gay pride parade. I condemn his other anti-gay comments as irresponsible and insensitive and Carl Paladino has publicly regretted making such ignorant remarks. The only thing he does not support is gay marriage, otherwise Carl Paladino is supportive of other gay issues. Lets not blow this out of proportion. I am willing to forgive Carl Paladino and I am going to vote for him for governor of New York.
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    Oct 13, 2010 11:34 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidI think that some of you guys have misunderstood what Carl Paladino said about young children going to gay pride parades. He was referring to some of these guys in speedos onparade floats wiggling and grinding agaist one another. I have to agree with Carl Paladino on that one because I don't think that it is appropriate for little children to see such explicit things in a gay pride parade. I condemn his other anti-gay comments as irresponsible and insensitive and Carl Paladino has publicly regretted making such ignorant remarks. The only thing he does not support is gay marriage, otherwise Carl Paladino is supportive of other gay issues. Lets not blow this out of proportion. I am willing to forgive Carl Paladino and I am going to vote for him for governor of New York.


    I do agree children shouldn't be watching that. I would never take my children to a pridefest.
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    Oct 13, 2010 11:42 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidI think that some of you guys have misunderstood what Carl Paladino said about young children going to gay pride parades. He was referring to some of these guys in speedos onparade floats wiggling and grinding agaist one another. I have to agree with Carl Paladino on that one because I don't think that it is appropriate for little children to see such explicit things in a gay pride parade. I condemn his other anti-gay comments as irresponsible and insensitive and Carl Paladino has publicly regretted making such ignorant remarks. The only thing he does not support is gay marriage, otherwise Carl Paladino is supportive of other gay issues. Lets not blow this out of proportion. I am willing to forgive Carl Paladino and I am going to vote for him for governor of New York.


    No. If you are against gay marriage you are against gays. You are taking a stance that we are not worthy of the same rights and responsibilities marriage officiates.

    His explicit attitude is that we are fine people, just not worthy of marriage. The implicit attitude is the same one that permits gay kids to be bullied to the point of suicide.

    So fuck him.
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    Oct 14, 2010 5:10 AM GMT
    RudeMech saidPerhaps I'm being optimistic, but the saber rattling by anti-gays types has me quite excited. The louder they get the more it begins to sound like death throws. Some incredible steps have been taken for gay rights with more in the wings, and our issues are being covered on a near daily basis in all forms of media. In just the last few weeks here on RJ a big number of brothers have shared that they are taking big personal steps to become visible and are declaring their right to be valued fully for who they are. Despite the long, hard fight that lay ahead, everyday I find myself become more and more hopeful.

    Anyone else sensing big changes in the air?



    The polls on gay marriage and repealing DADT are all moving sharply in our favor - so the feeling you have is backed up by objective proof.
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    Oct 14, 2010 5:13 AM GMT
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    roadbikeRob saidI think that some of you guys have misunderstood what Carl Paladino said about young children going to gay pride parades. He was referring to some of these guys in speedos onparade floats wiggling and grinding agaist one another. I have to agree with Carl Paladino on that one because I don't think that it is appropriate for little children to see such explicit things in a gay pride parade. I condemn his other anti-gay comments as irresponsible and insensitive and Carl Paladino has publicly regretted making such ignorant remarks. The only thing he does not support is gay marriage, otherwise Carl Paladino is supportive of other gay issues. Lets not blow this out of proportion. I am willing to forgive Carl Paladino and I am going to vote for him for governor of New York.


    I do agree children shouldn't be watching that. I would never take my children to a pridefest.


    I went to my first pride parade when I was ELEVEN. My sister who went with me was SEVEN. In fact, we were IN the pride parade. To claim that men in their speedos acting fem is bad for children is fallacious. I found it colorful and interesting. If you think it's bad for children to see, then it's really bad for YOU to see and you want to perpetuate your bias on to the next generation.
  • GQjock

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    Oct 14, 2010 10:36 AM GMT
    I'm SO glad that he has been exposed for what he is .... and is free-fall in the polls

    How ANYONE could THINK of voting for this man scares me to death
    Thank Matt for being the interviewer we need in journalism
  • roadbikeRob

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    Oct 14, 2010 10:10 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie, being against gay marriage does not make you against gays in general. That is the most ridiculous and irresponsible statement on your part and you should know better than that. Gay marriage is not an important issue right now, our economic and financial issues in New York are of paramount importance. Gay marriage can wait until we are done solving the serious financial crisis facing this state. We also need to clean up the statehouse in Albany and Carl Paladino is the right man to do the job.
  • Anto

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    Oct 14, 2010 10:33 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidMunchingZombie, being against gay marriage does not make you against gays in general. That is the most ridiculous and irresponsible statement on your part and you should know better than that. Gay marriage is not an important issue right now, our economic and financial issues in New York are of paramount importance. Gay marriage can wait until we are done solving the serious financial crisis facing this state. We also need to clean up the statehouse in Albany and Carl Paladino is the right man to do the job.


    You either are for equality or not. The reason why some people think it's ok to have partial equality is because it's still acceptable to think of gays as being less than to begin with.

    If someone said they are not against blacks in general but they are against blacks being allowed to marry, how well do you think that would go over? Do you think people would argue about how they are not really anti-black, they just have a differing opinion?

    And things are no where near bad enough that such an issue can be ignored or swept aside, that's just making excuses to avoid having to deal with it.
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    Oct 14, 2010 10:36 PM GMT
    RudeMech saidPerhaps I'm being optimistic, but the saber rattling by anti-gays types has me quite excited. The louder they get the more it begins to sound like death throws. Some incredible steps have been taken for gay rights with more in the wings, and our issues are being covered on a near daily basis in all forms of media. In just the last few weeks here on RJ a big number of brothers have shared that they are taking big personal steps to become visible and are declaring their right to be valued fully for who they are. Despite the long, hard fight that lay ahead, everyday I find myself become more and more hopeful.

    Anyone else sensing big changes in the air?



    I agree, there's momentum building.

    From the legal angle, courts are taking apart anti-gay laws one piece at a time, such as Don't Ask/Don't Tell, the Defense of Marriage Act, and Proposition 8 in Calif., all of which were ruled as unconstitutional by lower federal courts. I think you'll also start seeing law suits by gay couples legally married by their home state, demanding equal rights under federal law - for example, the right for the spouse of a US citizen to automatically be eligible for a green card isn't granted to gay couples who are legally married under state law. That'll be challenged in court soon, maybe next week. As precedent after precedent is set by the courts, the house of cards will eventually fall.

    Then there are the social movements adding to the momentum. I think the recent suicides and the positive fallout such as the explosion of the "It Gets Better" campaign could potentially have a bigger effect on social acceptance and awareness than the Matthew Shepard murder did a dozen years ago. And let's not forget all the high-profile anti-gay-rights dudes who keep being outed as homosexuals, which exposes the hypocrisy of these loud-mouths.

    Yea... I think there are changes in the air.

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    Oct 14, 2010 10:38 PM GMT
    RudeMech saidPerhaps I'm being optimistic, but the saber rattling by anti-gays types has me quite excited. The louder they get the more it begins to sound like death throws. Some incredible steps have been taken for gay rights with more in the wings, and our issues are being covered on a near daily basis in all forms of media. In just the last few weeks here on RJ a big number of brothers have shared that they are taking big personal steps to become visible and are declaring their right to be valued fully for who they are. Despite the long, hard fight that lay ahead, everyday I find myself become more and more hopeful.

    Anyone else sensing big changes in the air?


    Death throes sums it up.

    The haters just don't see what fools they are making of themselves.