Gates says abrupt end to 'don't ask' would have 'enormous consequences' ...oh boo hoo, cry me a river!

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    Oct 13, 2010 8:59 PM GMT
    "BRUSSELS - Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates said Wednesday that an abrupt end to the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy would have "enormous consequences" for troops. ...

    "I feel very strongly that this is an action that needs to be taken by the Congress, and that it is an action that requires careful preparation and a lot of training [emphasis mine]," Gates told reporters on board a military aircraft as he flew to Brussels for a NATO meeting.

    Gates said the Pentagon needed until Dec. 1 to study and resolve questions such as whether heterosexual troops would be required to share housing with gays and whether the military would be required to provide benefits for partners of gay service members.

    "This is a very complex business. It has enormous consequences for our troops," Gates said. "As I have said from the very beginning, there should be legislation, and that legislation should be informed by the review we have underway." ... "

    Oh give me a fucking break! ... If they gave as much attention to planning these fucking wars, we wouldnt be in these messes.

    Gates is just being made to carry Obama's water. They must think it will hold more credence coming from the Sec of Def. ....and this way Obama gets to stay out of the limelight. Fuck Obama!
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    Oct 13, 2010 9:58 PM GMT
    He is saying this because all the conservative breeder rednecks are going to scream and whine that they will be put at serious risk by permitting openly gay men and women to serve alongside them. Well all I have to say to these ignorant right wing homophobes is tough shit. If they don't like it, than get the hell out. The US Military would probably be far better off and more combat effective without these hypocritical, homophobic, womanizing, beer swilling scumbags.
  • rioriz

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    Oct 13, 2010 10:00 PM GMT
    Don't throw stones but I agree with Gates on this issue. There needs to be new rules and regulations in place before this becomes law. These regulations are needed to protect those who choose to come out. Even down to the bunking, put yourself in a bigoted straight man's mind who says "I aint room in with no faggot" and then his buddies follow suit. Before you know it there is disorder in a regime that rest on order. You don't want service men to be able to openly harass gays with no set consequence. Imagine soldiers leaving gay soldeirs behind because of their prejudice. It can easily become a house divided in a time when we need our troops to be united more than ever. My father was Marine and has told me first hand what happened to those suspected to be gay and how they got away with it. I'd hate to see Army gay bashing all over the news each night.

    It would be nice to think it could just end and everyone will get alone but that is not a reality. I am figuring there will need to be new sensitivity training and briefing on all new regulations before the law actually takes place. Unfortunately with this small window of time I don't think there will be enough time. JMHO...
  • Webster666

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    Oct 13, 2010 10:20 PM GMT
    The only problems will come from homophobic soldiers. If the military is willing to punish soldiers who attack (verbally, or in any other way) their fellow soldiers, the problems will soon go away. The problem is the anti gay military attitude.
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    Oct 13, 2010 10:28 PM GMT
    It would have the same disastrous "consequences" that all the other countries who allow their troops to serve openly have experienced -- exactly none. Gates is delusional.
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    Oct 14, 2010 1:51 AM GMT
    Webster666 saidThe only problems will come from homophobic soldiers. If the military is willing to punish soldiers who attack (verbally, or in any other way) their fellow soldiers, the problems will soon go away. The problem is the anti gay military attitude.

    QFT
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    Oct 14, 2010 6:01 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidHe is saying this because all the conservative breeder rednecks are going to scream and whine that they will be put at serious risk by permitting openly gay men and women to serve alongside them. Well all I have to say to these ignorant right wing homophobes is tough shit. If they don't like it, than get the hell out. The US Military would probably be far better off and more combat effective without these hypocritical, homophobic, womanizing, beer swilling scumbags.


    It's blind idiots like yourself who refuse to notice that these supposed "conservative breeder rednecks" are far more tolerant than you'd ever accept. It's the lefty's who say they're your friends who are the biggest barriers now. The majority of Americans support DADT repeal but a majority of Americans also view Tea Partiers favorably. Do the math.

    From an interview with a Whitehouse Staffer http://mpetrelis.blogspot.com/2010/10/whs-jarrett-dead-gay-bully-victim-made.html :

    Capeheart: One of the things you've put a spotlight on, and to veer sharply away from infrastructure, and that was on the rash of suicides of gay youth. You gave a speech to the Human Rights Campaign annual dinner, where you named the victims. You talked about the President's committment to making a more inclusive, tolerant, accepting country. Why did you feel it was important to deliver that message, and deliver it there?

    Jarrett: Well, I think what we've seen over the last few months are some very tragic deaths of young people, our children. And avoidable deaths. They were driven to committ suicide because they were being harassed in school, and driven to do something that no child should ever be driven to do. And in many cases, the parents are doing a good job. Their families are supportive. Before I spoke at the HRC dinner, I met backstage with Tammy Aarberg, her son Andrew. These are good people. They were aware that their son was gay. They embraced him. They loved him. They supported his lifestyle choice.


    From Ann Althouse, a prominent libertarian/conservative law blogger:

    http://althouse.blogspot.com/2010/10/us-district-court-judge-virginia.html
    But what damnable luck for the Democrats to have this thrown at them 2 weeks before the election! It's such a bad issue for Obama. He hasn't done what he promised, and he's fought against constitutional rights that he ought to be actively pursuing, whether he'd made promises or not. He's going to have to rest on the argument that he was always all about Congress making the change. But why hasn't his Congress gone his way? And do Democrats in Congress want this issue forefronted now? They've only made everyone unhappy — people who want DADT repealed and people who don't. And then there's the additional issue of "activist" judges.... (Phillips was appointed by President Clinton, who, of course, signed the original Don't Ask Don't Tell statute.)


    http://althouse.blogspot.com/2010/10/as-policy-matter-president-has-made.html
    As a policy matter, the President has made clear that he believes DOMA is discriminatory and should be repealed" — but his Administration must continue the fight against gay rights.


    Get a clue. Dump some tea.