Dear HRC, Go Fuck Yourselves. Signed, Gay Veteran

  • metta

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    Oct 14, 2010 2:57 AM GMT

    Dear HRC, Go Fuck Yourselves. Signed, Gay Veteran


    http://www.queerty.com/dear-hrc-go-fuck-yourselves-signed-gay-veterans-20101013/
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    Oct 14, 2010 3:12 AM GMT
    They have a good point.
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    Oct 14, 2010 3:36 AM GMT
    Good for them. HRC is the albatross around the neck of the gay rights movement.
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    Oct 14, 2010 5:15 AM GMT
    Can someone summarize this for me? I have NO attention span to read an article that doesn't give the thesis or pith of the subject matter by the first paragraph.
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    Oct 14, 2010 9:47 PM GMT
    For Mr.Benson who is quite dedicated to his exam prep:

    HRC thinks we should not only be uncritical but grateful for the administrations iceberg pace movement on our issues.

    Servicemembers United (an LGBT organization advocating for DADT's repeal) thinks this is a crock of shit.

    HRC publicly shits on SU after they both agreed to disagree and be nice to one another. SU sticks middle finger at HRC.
  • creature

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    Oct 14, 2010 10:51 PM GMT
    I think we have ourselves to blame. Not saying that individuals here have not been active, but as a whole, the push for the end of DOMA and DADT has really been weak. I'm just not seeing the sacrifice and the tenacity that was present in previous struggles.

    First, let's understand that in U.S. History no freedom of persons or civil rights have been signed into law by a President by his own will. So why anyone would think Obama would be the exception -- I have no idea. Martin Luther King Jr. was just as critical of Lyndon B. Johnson. And even Lincoln didn't intend to fully free the slaves. The first emancipation freed those in the South, while the second, after much pressure from the outside, freed the slaves completely. And regarding the 19th amendment, Woodrow Wilson's character was also attacked by the women's suffrage movement. Rights and liberties in this country don't come easily.

    As I mentioned in another post, we should be deeply disappointed that the tea party can cause such an eruption in two years, so much so that it has impacted the candidates who win the primaries, beating the establishment. Why didn't this happen when DOMA and DADT were signed into law. You wanna talk slow, we're fucking slow.

    I'm not making excuses for the administration, as I am disappointed in how things are moving, though I know DADT will end before the end of the year. But let's take a look at ourselves too before we cast judgment.
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    Oct 15, 2010 2:38 AM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidFor Mr.Benson who is quite dedicated to his exam prep:

    HRC thinks we should not only be uncritical but grateful for the administrations iceberg pace movement on our issues.

    Servicemembers United (an LGBT organization advocating for DADT's repeal) thinks this is a crock of shit.

    HRC publicly shits on SU after they both agreed to disagree and be nice to one another. SU sticks middle finger at HRC.


    Hmmmm, sounds like the "gay agenda" is bifurcating. I kind of like this. Two different approaches toward the same goal.
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    Oct 16, 2010 8:01 PM GMT
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    MunchingZombie saidFor Mr.Benson who is quite dedicated to his exam prep:

    HRC thinks we should not only be uncritical but grateful for the administrations iceberg pace movement on our issues.

    Servicemembers United (an LGBT organization advocating for DADT's repeal) thinks this is a crock of shit.

    HRC publicly shits on SU after they both agreed to disagree and be nice to one another. SU sticks middle finger at HRC.


    Hmmmm, sounds like the "gay agenda" is bifurcating. I kind of like this. Two different approaches toward the same goal.


    The bifurcation has always been there. Read up on the history of the LGBT movement, and you'll see there's always been an internal politics. A good start is "Virtual Equality" by Urvashi Vaid.
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    Oct 16, 2010 8:13 PM GMT
    HRC, I've noticed, plays really nice. Certainly that means dressing in pantsuits and ties. You're right, creature, about the teabaggers getting national attention so fast. HRC reminds me of Muzak.
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    Oct 16, 2010 8:21 PM GMT
    Well HRC´s "approach" is suck Obama´s cock and thank him for it while he stays married and goes home every night to the moderate conservative position.... He makes lots of promises to his bitch, but in the end he always goes home. He´s a typical republican on that one....
  • vintovka

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    Oct 16, 2010 8:39 PM GMT
    Ditto--fuck HRC and their bougie $100 a plate dinners
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    Oct 16, 2010 8:45 PM GMT
    vintovka saidDitto--fuck HRC and their bougie $100 a plate dinners


    $100? You'd be lucky to get to a $100 a plate dinner. More like $500 a plate.
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    Oct 17, 2010 1:11 AM GMT
    creature said I'm not making excuses for the administration, as I am disappointed in how things are moving, though I know DADT will end before the end of the year.

    Actually making excuses for the administration is exactly what you're doing.
    End DADT by the end of the year? How? The administration has just chosen to appeal the DADT ruling up to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. This is a lengthy process. Making it even lengthier will be the fact that the 9th Circuit always gets reversed by the Supreme Court.
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    Oct 17, 2010 1:15 AM GMT
    TexDef07 said
    creature said I'm not making excuses for the administration, as I am disappointed in how things are moving, though I know DADT will end before the end of the year.

    Actually making excuses for the administration is exactly what you're doing.
    End DADT by the end of the year? How? The administration has just chosen to appeal the DADT ruling up to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. This is a lengthy process. Making it even lengthier will be the fact that the 9th Circuit always gets reversed by the Supreme Court.


    The Defense Bill, which the repeal of DADT was a part of, is going to be revisited after December 1st, when the Department of Defense report is due. It is expected to be ruled on since that date and before the newly elected officials take office.

    Edited to add:

    http://www.defense.gov/news/crtor.pdf

    The report that is due in 6 1/2 weeks is not about whether the repeal should happen, but how to implement it. The only thing that could hurt its chances is the DREAM Act.

    I should also clarify that when the Defense Bill was originally up for a vote recently, it did not call for the repeal of DADT. It deferred to when the Department of Defense's report arrived. So since the Bill will be revisted after the report, voting on it can actually repeal DADT.
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    Oct 17, 2010 1:25 AM GMT
    creature saidThe Defense Bill, which the repeal of DADT was a part of, is going to be revisited after December 1st, when the Department of Defense report is due. It is expected to be ruled on since that date and before the newly elected officials take office.

    You're expecting action on DADT in the lame duck session? Good luck with that. The time is short and the shellshocked survivors aren't likely to want to go out on any more limbs.
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    Oct 17, 2010 1:38 AM GMT
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    creature saidThe Defense Bill, which the repeal of DADT was a part of, is going to be revisited after December 1st, when the Department of Defense report is due. It is expected to be ruled on since that date and before the newly elected officials take office.

    You're expecting action on DADT in the lame duck session? Good luck with that. The time is short and the shellshocked survivors aren't likely to want to go out on any more limbs.


    But isn't that what they typically do? That's how I understood the lame duck session. Politicians go ahead and vote on measures that they treaded on lightly before.

    Edited to add:

    I was trying to find out who voted yay or nay on the Defense Bill and in doing so I came across a site that mentioned Senator Dick Durbin has reintroduced the DREAM Act as a stand alone bill. So I'm thinking maybe it won't appear on the Defense Bill which can make it easier to get votes it needs to pass.

    Another edit:

    Apparently two democrats voted against it, Blanche Lincoln, who is trailing badly in the polls, and Mark Pryor. If the DREAM Act will proceed as a stand alone and will not be part of the Defense Bill, I don't see any reason for Blanche not to vote for it since she will be gone.
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    Oct 17, 2010 1:46 AM GMT
    creature saidBut isn't that what they typically do? That's how I understood the lame duck session. Politicians go ahead and vote on measures that they treaded on lightly before.

    It depends on whether or not they think they have a political future. If they think they don't, then they can step right up.

    Re Lincoln: she's surely doomed in this cycle but she probably hopes to make some kind of comeback. If so she won't go out with a bang.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/17/us/politics/17lincoln.html?ref=politics
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    Oct 17, 2010 2:33 AM GMT
    as a disabled Air Force veteran serving 15 years amidst terrorists in Germany (unable to wear uniform in some parts due to terrorists murdering Air Force members stealing IDs to get on base and blow a bomb), i say FUCK HRC!
    j.c.