why i love Madonna.

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    Mar 06, 2008 12:51 AM GMT
    I know there are tons of mixed reviews about Madonna. What you, as a gay man, need to do, is listen to Live to Tell. You also need to read the lyrics while you listen to it. She wrote the song about her gay friend who died of probably of HIV. I think the song is about being scared to come out due to the publics view. The lyrics are DEAD ON.

    This song does explain my life.

    I have also given you the video that was not allowed to be played on TV because of its content. I'm sure you will see what content I'm talking about.

    But what a great song.

    "If I ran away I'd never have the strength to go very far.
    How would they hear the beating of my heart?
    Will it grow cold?
    The secret that I hide?
    Will I grow old?
    How will they hear?
    When will they learn?
    How will they know?

    A man can tell a thousand lies...
    I've learned my lesson well!
    Hope I live to tell the secret
    I have learned till then
    It will burn inside of me.....




    Any thoughts?


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    Mar 06, 2008 1:00 AM GMT
    Well well well...if it isn't RJ's fave soap star!!! Do live to tell us Tuesdays in your class with Mr. Truck Guy... LOL!
    I love everything about '80s Madonna 'cos it reminds me greatly of my happy childhoodicon_biggrin.gif
    Add: You were not even born yet when that song came out!!! It was a soundtrack of a forgettable Sean Penn movie, if my memory serves me right. I'm just too tired to Google right now. x
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    Mar 06, 2008 1:20 AM GMT
    zimatar saidWell well well...if it isn't RJ's fave soap star!!! Do live to tell us Tuesdays in your class with Mr. Truck Guy... LOL!
    I love everything about '80s Madonna 'cos it reminds me greatly of my happy childhoodicon_biggrin.gif
    Add: You were not even born yet when that song came out!!! It was a soundtrack of a forgettable Sean Penn movie, if my memory serves me right. I'm just too tired to Google right now. x



    hahaha i had a funny feeling someone would recognize me...but i promoised the update at 11pm, and its 819 here. be patient! its a good one!!

    and i know but im not gonna lie i have the album lol
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    Mar 06, 2008 1:56 AM GMT
    Live to Tell is one of Madonna's better songs. I liked her performances of it on the Blonde Ambition and Confessions world tours.

    I don't recall the video being banned though. Madonna's only had 3 videos banned - Justify My Love, Erotica, and What It Feels Like for a Girl. And Erotica was actually only banned during day time viewing hours, much like Express Yourself when it first came out and the censors realized she was flashing a little nipple in the scene where she has the chain around her neck in the bed.
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    Mar 06, 2008 2:03 AM GMT
    I think he meant the actual performing at the show

    The cruxifiction stage show came under a lot of flack in a few of the more religious countries.
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    Mar 06, 2008 2:05 AM GMT
    RunintheCity saidLive to Tell is one of Madonna's better songs. I liked her performances of it on the Blonde Ambition and Confessions world tours.

    I don't recall the video being banned though. Madonna's only had 3 videos banned - Justify My Love, Erotica, and What It Feels Like for a Girl. And Erotica was actually only banned during day time viewing hours, much like Express Yourself when it first came out and the censors realized she was flashing a little nipple in the scene where she has the chain around her neck in the bed.



    The live performance of this song was not shown on tv, only clips of chidlren in africa. You can youtube it if you dont believe me. I think it was NBC that refused to show her on the cross.
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    Mar 06, 2008 2:06 AM GMT
    A very powerful song, and awesome video clip. Thanks for sharing.

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    Mar 06, 2008 2:52 AM GMT
    ash557 saidA very powerful song, and awesome video clip. Thanks for sharing.

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    Hey no problem!
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    Mar 06, 2008 3:08 AM GMT
    what?! its out already?!
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    Mar 06, 2008 3:16 AM GMT
    by the way trocks, i have a story to tell, but im gonna wait till you finish yours! haha
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    Mar 06, 2008 3:17 AM GMT
    txguy1605 saidby the way trocks, i have a story to tell, but im gonna wait till you finish yours! haha



    dude go either read the new post or send me a message about ur story lol i love stories!
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    Mar 06, 2008 3:27 AM GMT
    Trocks797 saidI know there are tons of mixed reviews about Madonna. What you, as a gay man, need to do, is listen to Live to Tell. You also need to read the lyrics while you listen to it. She wrote the song about her gay friend who died of probably of HIV. I think the song is about being scared to come out due to the publics view. The lyrics are DEAD ON.

    This song does explain my life.

    I have also given you the video that was not allowed to be played on TV because of its content. I'm sure you will see what content I'm talking about.

    But what a great song.

    "If I ran away I'd never have the strength to go very far.
    How would they hear the beating of my heart?
    Will it grow cold?
    The secret that I hide?
    Will I grow old?
    How will they hear?
    When will they learn?
    How will they know?

    A man can tell a thousand lies...
    I've learned my lesson well!
    Hope I live to tell the secret
    I have learned till then
    It will burn inside of me.....



    Any thoughts?




    Pretty powerful when taken in that context. I really like Madonna as she really is not afraid to take a stand and speak out, regardless of what society would think.

    And Trocks, for goodness sake, stop wasting time on Madonna and get to updating our weekly installment of Days of Trocks lives...
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    Mar 06, 2008 7:03 AM GMT
    I seem to remember the song being used for Sean Penn's movie At Close Range (1986). Two of her other songs (Crazy for You, Gambler) from the 80s were also used in another movie Vision Quest (1985) starring a young Matthew Modine and Linda Fiorentino.

    I loved Madonna in the 80s. I've never really liked any of her stuff after the Live A Virgin album. I think her music is contrived and forgettable.
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    Mar 06, 2008 7:23 AM GMT
    I love how she keeps re-inventing herself. One of the most talented persons on the planet.

    --Mikey
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    Mar 06, 2008 8:10 AM GMT
    She is extremely talented in my opinion.

    The lyrics to that song are powerful taken in that context. The cross could represent the persecution of people who have died from hiv/aids feeling as if they had done something wrong, or feeling as if the world in general didnt care. It is moving. She evokes people to think.
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    Mar 06, 2008 10:28 AM GMT
    I like how she holds nothing sacred.

    Before I even knew what the words meant, I liked Madonna (not so much as loved). Madonna and Micheal Jackson cassette tapes were what I listened to when I was young. As in very young. My sisters had boxes and boxes of 80's cassettes. icon_wink.gif

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    Mar 06, 2008 3:42 PM GMT
    Oh this is the BEST THREAD EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    My devotion to The Goddess as i call her, is all encompassing! I mean... she is tattooed on my right arm 6 times over!

    Without Her Madge-sty there would be no usurpers like Janet, Moo-riah, Britney, Christina who blatantly use sex to sell themselves. Sadly none of them, though they are each at least slightly talented in their own way... slightly that is, have ever come close to the irony and sincerity that The Goddess infuses with her works.

    Madonna has caused quite a bit of dialog for being just a pop star. From her very beginning when radio stations thought she was black, to being on Tipper Gores "Filthy Fifteen" with "Dress You Up", to the outrage that ensued when she sang about keeping her baby in "Papa Don't Preach", using the displays of stigmata and kissing St. Martin de Porress as well as stark undertones of the plight and injustice of racism in "Like A Prayer", even the lyrics to songs like "Bad Girl"... the list goes on and on and continues to, because she has continued to have something to say.

    Madonna is quoted as saying "A look can get you into a room, but something has to keep you there." No entertainer, politician, head of state, or religious figure has embodied that MORE than Madonna.

    She is genuinely intelligent and inquisitive, constantly reading and searching for new avenues of expression. She is a force in fashion, from rosaries, to kimono, to H&M she is always ahead of the game. She sees what is underground and brings it to the forefront of entertainment, such as with "Ray of Light" and "Truth or Dare" and "I'm Going To Tell You A Secret". She is outspoken, and yet demure. She has met royalty, politicians, celebrity, and is constantly being bitten at by religious officials, though some have lauded not only her performances, but her music and her brashness.

    Madonna is a mother, a lover, an entertainer, and author, a mogul, a designer, a philanthropist (Madonna is one of the FIRST women entertainers to take up the AIDS cause as well as GLBT causes, and breast cancer has always been close to her heart)... above all Madonna is the hardest working woman in show business, if not the world.

    Like It or Not
    -Madonna

    You can call me a sinner
    And you can call me a saint
    Celebrate me for who I am
    Dislike me for what I ain't

    Put me up on a pedestal
    Or drag me down in the dirt
    Sticks and stones will break my bones
    But your names will never hurt

    I'll be the garden, you'll be the snake
    All of my fruit is yours to take
    Better the devil that you know
    Your love for me will grow
    Because

    This is who I am
    You can like it or not
    You can love me or leave me
    Cause I'm never gonna stop, no no

    Cleopatra had her way
    Mata Hari too
    Whether they were good or bad
    Is strictly up to you

    Life is a paradox
    And it doesn't make much sense
    Can't have femme without the fatale
    Please don't take offense

    Don't let the fruit rot under the vine
    Fill up your cup and let's drink the wine
    Better the devil that you know
    Your love for me will grow
    Because

    This is who I am
    You can like it or not
    You can love me or leave me
    Cause I'm never gonna stop, no no, you know
    This is who I am
    You can like it or not
    You can love me or leave me
    Cause I'm never gonna stop, no no, you know

    No no, you know
    No no, you know
    No no, you know
    No no, you know

    I'll be the garden, you'll be the snake
    All of my fruit is yours to take
    Better the devil that you know
    Your love for me will grow
    Because

    This is who I am
    You can like it or not
    You can love me or leave me
    Cause I'm never gonna stop, no no, you know
    This is who I am
    You can like it or not
    You can love me or leave me
    Cause I'm never gonna stop, no no, you know

    No no, you know
    No no, you know
    No no, you know
    No no, you know

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    Mar 06, 2008 4:10 PM GMT
    Trocks797 said


    The live performance of this song was not shown on tv, only clips of chidlren in africa. You can youtube it if you dont believe me. I think it was NBC that refused to show her on the cross.


    Ok that wasn't clear to me in your initial post. Yes, NBC edited out the scene. Madonna still collected a big fat check.

    After all, her truest talent, beyond her re-interpretative machinations, has been the expert blending of art + commerce + marketing. She combined the skills of Warhol, Haring, and others to become something wholly unique in pop culture. That's why efforts to mirror her always fall short. Despite the obvious, there's often a lot more going on with Madonna's 'work' then seems readily evident.
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    Mar 06, 2008 4:43 PM GMT
    What's funny really as in her early days, she was dismissed as a "disco dolly" and to all the yungins who don't remember the early days of her career, no one thought she'd be around ten years let alone have the career she did.

    She started her career at just the right time. Music wasn't so fragmented and radio still played everything, and there was this brand new thing called MTV that helped get young performers out there. Most of the others faded, but she had the smarts and drive to keep it going. She has put out a lot of good music and that should stand on it's own rather than some of the contrived controversy created around her. First and foremost, fan or not, she is a marketing genius and knows how to peddle her goods.
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    Mar 06, 2008 4:55 PM GMT
    For someone who only has modest musical talent, she has done amazingly well. Her voice has gotten a lot better (it was "modest" to put it charitably back in 1984).

    Probably her strength has been the willingness to take risks and try new styles and new producers/writers.

    She also has a pretty good eye for talent. One of her first signings for her record company "Maverick" was Alanis Morissette who promptly sold 11+ million copies of "Jagged Little Pill".

    I have about 20 Madonna songs on my IPod which has 2,188. She is in the top 5 artists with The Beatles, Rolling Stones, U2, and REM being ahead of her.

    Her latest album was quite good, but I think her best was the one from 1998 with "Frozen" and "Ray of Light".
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    Mar 06, 2008 5:16 PM GMT
    "Live To Tell" is one quintessential to my Madonna listenning. It's taken on many different meanings over the years for me, but I can't go listening to it without listening to "You'll See" and yes, "Papa Don't Preach".

    Aside for her reputation as a 'bad actress', I love everything about Madonna. From her meager beginnings to her legendary Icon status. She's eclipsed all her would be replacements and successors with ease, and doesn't fuck around. Though she says she's all about being famous, she's not known for over-indulging in it and making a fool of herself. She owns her sexuality - her sexuality doens't own her.

    On top of all that, she's just an all around great diverse artist. From, "Open Your Heart" and "Live To Tell", to "Hung Up" and "Jump", she's done it all, and for the most part, did them right!

    My personal all time favorite Madonna songs would have to be, "Open Your Heart", "Rain", "Frozen", and "Jump"!

    Now you got me in the mood =)
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    Mar 06, 2008 5:19 PM GMT
    jbedwards saidFor someone who only has modest musical talent, she has done amazingly well. Her voice has gotten a lot better (it was "modest" to put it charitably back in 1984).

    Probably her strength has been the willingness to take risks and try new styles and new producers/writers.

    She also has a pretty good eye for talent. One of her first signings for her record company "Maverick" was Alanis Morissette who promptly sold 11+ million copies of "Jagged Little Pill".

    I have about 20 Madonna songs on my IPod which has 2,188. She is in the top 5 artists with The Beatles, Rolling Stones, U2, and REM being ahead of her.

    Her latest album was quite good, but I think her best was the one from 1998 with "Frozen" and "Ray of Light".


    HA... i have ALL of Madonna's songs on my iPod INCLUDING rare, unreleased, remixed, and megaixed versions! You should SEE my iTunes!
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    Mar 06, 2008 5:26 PM GMT
    I have as much unreleased Madonna stuff as I do released. There is a global network of HARDCORE Madonna fans who over the years have gotten their hands on a lot of cool stuff.
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    Mar 06, 2008 8:17 PM GMT
    I'm seriously annoying my officemates with the latest unreleased Madonna goodies that StripperRocco gave me. I love it! I don't usually go all ga-ga over an artist...but I've heard enough of Hard Candy to be seriously excited about the album! It's yet another sound for Madonna, and it suits her well.
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    Mar 06, 2008 8:24 PM GMT
    Well I was a serious Madonna fan back in the mid to late 1980's. Most of here songs, including the aforementioned "Live to Tell" are outstanding. I never knew (actually never even heard) that anything about that song was gay related, but what do I know about some music....

    Once we got into the mid 90's I haven't paid as much attention, but I have a number of her songs including "Vogue" and "Who's that Girl" on my OPOD at the gym.