Gay marriage gains ground in GOP

  • metta

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    Oct 15, 2010 8:52 AM GMT

    Gay marriage gains ground in GOP

    http://www.kansascity.com/2010/10/14/2315506/gay-marriage-gains-ground-in-gop.html
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    Oct 15, 2010 2:17 PM GMT
    metta8 said
    Gay marriage gains ground in GOP

    http://www.kansascity.com/2010/10/14/2315506/gay-marriage-gains-ground-in-gop.html


    It will happen slowly, and although the GOP may never be the vocally pro-gay party, they will come to accept it in the sense of tolerating it, and that's really all that matters. Nobody should need to be "liked" as much as deserving of basic rights.
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    I'm dubious of these kinds of pieces just before a national election, even if they are ostensibly written by gay-friendly authors. I suspect the Republicans are feeding some favorable "background" to gullible reporters & commentators via the backdoor, even while their own candidates continue to bash gays.

    Karl Rove did this twice, in 2000 & 2004 for Bush, keeping gays and gay supporters off-balance about the true anti-gay agenda of the Republican Party. It's more of the same illogical "they're not so evil as you think, so therefore they must be your good friends" rhetoric we're hearing right now, including from some RJ members here.

    Given the heavy reliance of the GOP on the fundamentalist Christian Right, not to mention the Teabaggers (that all surveys demonstrate are mostly anti-gay, despite attempts to obscure that fact), it looks to me like the GOP is becoming MORE anti-gay, not less.

    They just start playing both sides of the gay card every time an election approaches, promising to be anti-gay to their base, but sending out olive branches to the gay community at the same time. Overtures that will be quickly forgotten once the election is over. They just want to confuse gay voters and dilute their influence, which traditionally goes mostly to Democrats, and for good reason.
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    Oct 15, 2010 2:57 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidI'm dubious of these kinds of pieces just before a national election, even if they are ostensibly written by gay-friendly authors. I suspect the Republicans are feeding some favorable "background" to gullible reporters & commentators via the backdoor, even while their own candidates continue to bash gays.

    Karl Rove did this twice, in 2000 & 2004 for Bush, keeping gays and gay supporters off-balance about the true anti-gay agenda of the Republican Party. It's more of the same illogical "they're not so evil as you think, so therefore they must be your good friends" rhetoric we're hearing right now, including from some RJ members here.

    Given the heavy reliance of the GOP on the fundamentalist Christian Right, not to mention the Teabaggers (that all surveys demonstrate are mostly anti-gay, despite attempts to obscure that fact), it looks to me like the GOP is becoming MORE anti-gay, not less.

    They just start playing both sides of the gay card every time an election approaches, promising to be anti-gay to their base, but sending out olive branches to the gay community at the same time. Overtures that will be quickly forgotten once the election is over. They just want to confuse gay voters and dilute their influence, which traditionally goes mostly to Democrats, and for good reason.



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    Oct 15, 2010 3:37 PM GMT
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    Art_Deco saidI'm dubious of these kinds of pieces just before a national election, even if they are ostensibly written by gay-friendly authors. I suspect the Republicans are feeding some favorable "background" to gullible reporters & commentators via the backdoor, even while their own candidates continue to bash gays.

    Karl Rove did this twice, in 2000 & 2004 for Bush, keeping gays and gay supporters off-balance about the true anti-gay agenda of the Republican Party. It's more of the same illogical "they're not so evil as you think, so therefore they must be your good friends" rhetoric we're hearing right now, including from some RJ members here.

    Given the heavy reliance of the GOP on the fundamentalist Christian Right, not to mention the Teabaggers (that all surveys demonstrate are mostly anti-gay, despite attempts to obscure that fact), it looks to me like the GOP is becoming MORE anti-gay, not less.

    They just start playing both sides of the gay card every time an election approaches, promising to be anti-gay to their base, but sending out olive branches to the gay community at the same time. Overtures that will be quickly forgotten once the election is over. They just want to confuse gay voters and dilute their influence, which traditionally goes mostly to Democrats, and for good reason.



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    I wonder what he's going to do when it becomes more and more accepted among republicans. He'll have to find another reason to demonize them.
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    Oct 15, 2010 3:38 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidParanoid Paranoid Paranoid

    Is it still paranoia if they really are out to get us?
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    Oct 15, 2010 4:03 PM GMT
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    CuriousJockAZ saidParanoid Paranoid Paranoid

    Is it still paranoia if they really are out to get us?



    It is if you think "They" means "All". There are lots of gay Republicans out there quietly working to change minds and bring about change. I know it's hard concept to grasp for some, but the world doesn't revolve around ALL THINGS GAY.
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    Oct 15, 2010 4:09 PM GMT
    If the Repuglicans got over their extreme social conservatism, a lot of gays would support them. I wouldn't be surprised if the Dems aren't dragging their fannies, cuz they are afraid of gays defecting. Also, why they don't want the courts to decide these issues. Cuz then they couldn't claim the credit.
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    Oct 15, 2010 4:22 PM GMT
    I'm not falling for it. If you want to see what republican policy would be toward gays, look no further than Uganda and the laws that came from republican/right wing stewardship.
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    Oct 15, 2010 4:23 PM GMT
    Colbert_Nation saidI'm not falling for it. If you want to see what republican policy would be toward gays, look no further than Uganda and the laws that came from republican/right wing stewardship.



    Okay, it's official -- some of you really should seek counseling. Paranoia will destroy ya.
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    Oct 15, 2010 4:26 PM GMT
    I'll believe this when I see other Republicans taking assholes like Sally Kern and Carl Paladino to task for their outrageous comments regarding homosexuality.

    I haven't really seen that as of yet.

    I'm with the others who aren't yet prepared to hold our collective breaths.
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    Oct 15, 2010 4:43 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    mickeytopogigio said
    CuriousJockAZ saidParanoid Paranoid Paranoid

    Is it still paranoia if they really are out to get us?



    It is if you think "They" means "All". There are lots of gay Republicans out there quietly working to change minds and bring about change. I know it's hard concept to grasp for some, but the world doesn't revolve around ALL THINGS GAY.


    i have some straight republican friends that strongly support gay marriage and equal civil rights for all.
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    Oct 15, 2010 4:47 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidOkay, it's official -- some of you really should seek counseling. Paranoia will destroy ya.

    Isn't it also paranoia when you imagine that everyone ELSE but you is paranoid? icon_wink.gif
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    Oct 15, 2010 4:47 PM GMT
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    i have some straight republican friends that strongly support gay marriage and equal civil rights for all.



    So do I. In fact, I don't think I have any straight Republican friends who don't support gay marriage and equal rights for all. This idea that ALL Republicans are running around spending their time figuring out ways to stick it to the gays is just ridiculous, totally not true, and tiresome.
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    Art_Deco saidI'm dubious of these kinds of pieces just before a national election, even if they are ostensibly written by gay-friendly authors. I suspect the Republicans are feeding some favorable "background" to gullible reporters & commentators via the backdoor, even while their own candidates continue to bash gays.

    Karl Rove did this twice, in 2000 & 2004 for Bush, keeping gays and gay supporters off-balance about the true anti-gay agenda of the Republican Party. It's more of the same illogical "they're not so evil as you think, so therefore they must be your good friends" rhetoric we're hearing right now, including from some RJ members here.

    Given the heavy reliance of the GOP on the fundamentalist Christian Right, not to mention the Teabaggers (that all surveys demonstrate are mostly anti-gay, despite attempts to obscure that fact), it looks to me like the GOP is becoming MORE anti-gay, not less.

    They just start playing both sides of the gay card every time an election approaches, promising to be anti-gay to their base, but sending out olive branches to the gay community at the same time. Overtures that will be quickly forgotten once the election is over. They just want to confuse gay voters and dilute their influence, which traditionally goes mostly to Democrats, and for good reason.



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    Curious: I wouldn't call this deco guy paranoid. From his posts in the DADT threads i say he's just crazy and annoying.
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    Art_Deco saidI'm dubious of these kinds of pieces just before a national election, even if they are ostensibly written by gay-friendly authors. I suspect the Republicans are feeding some favorable "background" to gullible reporters & commentators via the backdoor, even while their own candidates continue to bash gays.

    Karl Rove did this twice, in 2000 & 2004 for Bush, keeping gays and gay supporters off-balance about the true anti-gay agenda of the Republican Party. It's more of the same illogical "they're not so evil as you think, so therefore they must be your good friends" rhetoric we're hearing right now, including from some RJ members here.

    Given the heavy reliance of the GOP on the fundamentalist Christian Right, not to mention the Teabaggers (that all surveys demonstrate are mostly anti-gay, despite attempts to obscure that fact), it looks to me like the GOP is becoming MORE anti-gay, not less.

    They just start playing both sides of the gay card every time an election approaches, promising to be anti-gay to their base, but sending out olive branches to the gay community at the same time. Overtures that will be quickly forgotten once the election is over. They just want to confuse gay voters and dilute their influence, which traditionally goes mostly to Democrats, and for good reason.



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    What about your irrational fear of Muslims and Mexicans?
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    Oct 15, 2010 4:58 PM GMT
    How could anyone vote for republicans? Their stance on environmental issues is DISTRIBUTING.
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    CuriousJockAZ saidThis idea that ALL Republicans are running around spending their time figuring out ways to stick it to the gays is just ridiculous, totally not true, and tiresome.

    Indeed it is, since you made it up yourself, to use as a strawman against others here. It's a dishonest debater who puts words in the mouths of his opponent, and then criticizes him for them.

    For myself, I have been careful to qualify my remarks by writing MOST Republicans, or Republican LEADERS, or referring to the GOP Party platforms (National & State) for objective proofs. As it happens I don't personally know a single Republican who's for gay civil rights, although I have a few Republican acquaintances who are pleasant enough most of the time.

    Until they start saying offensive things to me about gays across the dinner table, or e-mailing me right-wing conspiracy hysteria that will apparently convert me. It's like having not one mother but many who don't want their son to remain gay, but to see the Light and be saved.

    But I'm sure there are some gay-friendly Republicans out there. The problem is they have little or no influence on Party policy and proposed legislation.

    It's the overall direction and agenda of the Republican Party I oppose, not every individual who identifies as a Republican. That's the false argument you use against those of us here who say this, to avoid discussing the actual anti-gay politics involved.
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    Oct 15, 2010 5:13 PM GMT
    Um, article in full :
    WTFAs the tea party’s challenge to Republican Party orthodoxy grabs headlines, another, quieter revolution is unfolding inside the GOP.

    The latest evidence came with the release of the Republicans’ midterm-campaign “Pledge to America.” Although the pledge gives a perfunctory nod to “traditional marriage,” explicit opposition to marriage for same-sex couples is absent.

    The GOP, in large part, isn’t displaying its usual anti-gay election-year demagoguery, and not just in the “pledge.” As recently as 1995, a Republican-controlled Congress was holding hearings investigating “homosexual recruitment” and the “promotion” of homosexuality.

    The Republican establishment is stepping up — and coming out. In just the last few months, leading Republican heavyweights have begun to announce their support for the freedom to marry. Ted Olson, Bush’s solicitor general and a longtime Republican power broker, took the lead, writing articles (“The Conservative Case for Gay Marriage,” in Newsweek).

    Jon Cowan of Third Way and Evan Wolfson of Freedom to Marry, in the Los Angeles Times



    Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2010/10/14/2315506/gay-marriage-gains-ground-in-gop.html#ixzz12RpkpqI9


    What a crock of shit. Do these writers not realize that "traditional marriage" has been code for "marriage with no fags" for over a decade? Anti-gay rhetoric is being used by GOP candidates all across the country and somehow "The GOP, in large part, isn't displaying its usual anti-gay election-year demagoguery"?

    They say that the GOP establishment is "stepping up" and they can name only Ted Olson? What about any of their potential Presidential nominees? Has Palin, Romney, or Pawlentry even budged? What about any of their candidates for Senate? The house?

    This article is full, full of shit. I would love a GOP that isn't homophobic. I really would. But there is zero evidence that there is any shift within the party and this article is just gilding a turd in making it seem like there is.
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    Oct 15, 2010 5:14 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidAs it happens I don't personally know a single Republican who's for gay civil rights.



    Then all I can say to you is that YOU NEED TO GET OUT MORE!!! Broaden your circle of friends. Educate yourself in the reality that there are many Gay Republicans, and many straight Republicans who support gays. Do they still have some more hills to climb within the party? Absolutely. But things are changing, albeit slowly -- but surely.
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    Oct 15, 2010 5:18 PM GMT
    In every normal country there would be a political party that is AND fiscally conservative AND in favour of gay rights.

    Yes yes people, that DOES exist icon_rolleyes.gif
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    DoomsDayAlpaca saidHow could anyone vote for republicans? Their stance on environmental issues is DISTRIBUTING.


    A perfect example of what a Democrat and union controlled education system produces. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Rather a likely example of an instant spell corrector reacting mistakenly to a simple typo. And, I must admit, a likely human error in not double-checking before hitting SUBMIT.

    Alpaca has written too many reasoned and well-written posts here to make much of an issue of that. But as always from you, the ad hominem attack. Indeed, that's all I've been reading from right-wingers here the last few days. Personal slurs, slams & slanders. An interesting pattern as the US election approaches.
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    Oct 15, 2010 5:28 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidArt_Deco lives in Wilton Manors, Florida. The population of Wilton Manors is close to 100% gay. It is a true "gay ghetto" and because of that, everybody thinks pretty much the same way when it comes to politics.

    Actually there are only estimates, partly because of the significant seasonal population. The most commonly quoted figure is about 65% GLBT or less. But hey, that's close to 100%.
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    Oct 15, 2010 5:28 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidall I've been reading from right-wingers here the last few days. Personal slurs, slams & slanders. An interesting pattern as the US election approaches.


    as opposed to what -- your seemingly never ending angry paranoid "They Hate The Gays" rants?
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    Art_Deco saidAs it happens I don't personally know a single Republican who's for gay civil rights.



    Then all I can say to you is that YOU NEED TO GET OUT MORE!!! Broaden your circle of friends. Educate yourself in the reality that there are many Gay Republicans, and many straight Republicans who support gays. Do they still have some more hills to climb within the party? Absolutely. But things are changing, albeit slowly -- but surely.


    Art_Deco lives in Wilton Manors, Florida. The population of Wilton Manors is close to 100% gay. It is a true "gay ghetto" and because of that, everybody thinks pretty much the same way when it comes to politics.


    You fault a gay person for living amongst gays...well hell...what do you think of those intellectual circle jerks known as "suburbs"?