Black Community seeks Royal Apology - Is One Necessary?

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    Oct 15, 2010 3:36 PM GMT
    Saint John's black community is appealing directly to the Queen Elizabeth for an apology for a 1785 decree that severely restricted where they could live or fish.

    Saint John is celebrating the 225th anniversary of the royal charter that created the southern New Brunswick city.

    But that same charter made white loyalists the only free citizens of the city and black loyalists, who fought for King George III in the American Revolution, with few exceptions, were denied the right to live or set up businesses within city boundaries.

    'The blacks were nothing. They were not fit. They weren't proper citizens. They weren't decent people. The charter said so.'— David Peters
    David Peters, a founding member of PRUDE, the city's black cultural organization, said Saint John's black community deserves an apology from the Crown.

    "The blacks were nothing. They were not fit. They weren't proper citizens. They weren't decent people. The charter said so," Peters said.

    The charter barred black loyalists from living inside the city's boundaries or fishing in the St. John River.

    Peters wrote a letter directly to the Queen demanding an apology for the charter.

    Buckingham Palace's senior correspondence officer replied that the request has been forwarded to the Governor General for consideration in consultation with federal ministers.

    So far, the office of the Governor General has not commented on the status of the file.

    Peters, who also teaches black history in Saint John, said the city's black community believes that it's a good time to take a long, hard look at some of what was included in that document.

    "If you were a black loyalist or otherwise you could not live within city boundaries unless you were an indentured servant, which was still slavery in that time, or had permission by a very prominent white person that you were fit to live here and they would sanction for you," Peters said.



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    Oct 16, 2010 3:54 AM GMT
    Fuck Saint John's Black community. They are a misrepresentation of Black people in general. Saint John's is only segregating Black people further by brainwashing them into thinking they're victims for something that happened a LONG time ago. Queen Elizabeth is not responsible for something that happened 225 years ago.

    If we really want to concentrate on outdated apologies, then I want a fucking apology from the entire Middle East and Europe for at one point in history oppressing the Jews. Oh yeah and an apology from all the nations that had sodomy laws. That's essentially every country.

    I would feel weird and even embarrassed if someone made a public apology to Jews or gays in regards to something someone else did CENTURIES ago. If anything, Saint John's Black community needs to apologize to all Black people for tarnishing their race in general with stupidy.

    And having said that, *snap* *snap* and...

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    Oct 16, 2010 4:05 AM GMT
    we do consider your typical response for what it is
    j.c
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    Oct 16, 2010 4:07 AM GMT
    butterpecan2 saidwe do consider your typical response for what it is
    j.c


    Assplain yourself, Mr. nelly man in a female bathing suit. Who is "we" and who is "your" referring to? Are you claiming to speak for an entire race too?
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    Oct 16, 2010 4:24 AM GMT
    Thank God we have so few of them in New Zealand to make such a fuss.
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    Oct 16, 2010 4:40 AM GMT
    ElysianReport saidThank God we have so few of them in New Zealand to make such a fuss.


    You're thanking god that New Zealand has few black people?
  • Webster666

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    Oct 16, 2010 6:29 AM GMT
    It would be proper for the Queen to acknowledge that it was a time of ignorance and a terrible chapter in history, but she doesn't owe anyone an apology for it. She should say that she's thankful that we've come a long way since then.
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    Oct 16, 2010 6:44 AM GMT
    She doesn't need to apologize, she didn't do shit.
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    Oct 16, 2010 6:49 AM GMT
    AvadaKedavra said
    ElysianReport saidThank God we have so few of them in New Zealand to make such a fuss.


    You're thanking god that New Zealand has few black people?



    Over there they did an efficient job wiping out the Maoris... not many left.
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    Oct 16, 2010 12:47 PM GMT
    I heard of this one. The queen had told them that they would need to get an apology from the governor general of Canada (it actually makes sense.)

    At first I rolled my eyes when I heard this- later I thought it does not matter. Apologize if it will make people feel better. The guy who is seeking the apology is doing so because they are celebrating the cities charter from 1785. That charter was not amended until around 1850. The black loyalists were promised the same as the whites- land and supplies for supporting the crown. After that the city got their charter that officially made them into second class citizens. That charter was signed by the same monarch that the black loyalists had supported a few years prior.

    All in all, I don't think it should matter to todays residents- we are talking a couple of centuries. But if it makes a group who still feel excluded have a sense of belonging then just issue the apology- let them heal and do it for their ancestors who really were slighted.
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    Oct 16, 2010 12:49 PM GMT
    AvadaKedavra said
    ElysianReport saidThank God we have so few of them in New Zealand to make such a fuss.


    You're thanking god that New Zealand has few black people?


    That´s because they killed most of them.

    No, there should be no apology. Move on.
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    Oct 16, 2010 1:01 PM GMT
    Com on guys! its 2010, Race cant still be the issues this days. The Queen don't need no apologies.
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    Oct 16, 2010 1:10 PM GMT
    creamcraver4u saidCom on guys! its 2010, Race cant still be the issues this days. The Queen don't need no apologies.


    Dude you are so right! Let it go!!! instead of living in the past, ( it was bad for a lot of white people too) Help make the world a better place.. (they should write a song about that)
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    Oct 16, 2010 1:46 PM GMT
    How can Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II be expected to say sorry for deeds done, way before she was even born?
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    Oct 16, 2010 1:48 PM GMT
    west77 saidI heard of this one. The queen had told them that they would need to get an apology from the governor general of Canada (it actually makes sense.)

    At first I rolled my eyes when I heard this- later I thought it does not matter. Apologize if it will make people feel better. The guy who is seeking the apology is doing so because they are celebrating the cities charter from 1785. That charter was not amended until around 1850. The black loyalists were promised the same as the whites- land and supplies for supporting the crown. After that the city got their charter that officially made them into second class citizens. That charter was signed by the same monarch that the black loyalists had supported a few years prior.

    All in all, I don't think it should matter to todays residents- we are talking a couple of centuries. But if it makes a group who still feel excluded have a sense of belonging then just issue the apology- let them heal and do it for their ancestors who really were slighted.


    But to say sorry, is to say you have done something wrong. her Majesty Queen Elizabeth was not even born, thus free of all sin.
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    Oct 16, 2010 2:28 PM GMT
    Apologies for historical events are frequently made. It is simply an acknowledgement of past wrongs and shows that the present doesn't agree with them.

    Since this wrong was perpetrated by the institution of the monarchy, it is not unreasonable to ask the current monarch to acknowledge the wrong done by a predecessor.

    In this case, I can see two prominent reasons for asking.

    First, this community really got double crossed by King George. Here they fight for him and then he gives them the shaft. What an ass!

    Second, on this 225th anniversary of the city's charter, everybody 's going to be celebrating. It is not untoward for the Black community to remind everone that they got the shaft at the time of the city's founding. A royal apology would be an excellent way to recognize this wrong and put it to rest.

    And this was just the cherry on top! Realize these people ended up having to live in Canada, for christ's sake. And New Brunwick, to boot. Talk about being royally screwed!

    Altho it could have been worse, I suppose, they could have ended up in PEI! ... icon_eek.gif
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    Oct 16, 2010 2:48 PM GMT
    Caslon16000 saidApologies for historical events are frequently made. It is simply an acknowledgement of past wrongs and shows that the present doesn't agree with them.

    Since this wrong was perpetrated by the institution of the monarchy, it is not unreasonable to ask the current monarch to acknowledge the wrong done by a predecessor.

    In this case, I can see two prominent reasons for asking.

    First, this community really got double crossed by King George. Here they fight for him and then he gives them the shaft. What an ass!

    Second, on this 225th anniversary of the city's charter, everybody 's going to be celebrating. It is not untoward for the Black community to remind everyone that they got the shaft at the time of the city's founding. A royal apology would be an excellent way to recognize this wrong and put it to rest.



    Agreed!

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    Oct 16, 2010 3:08 PM GMT
    A simple statement along the lines of " Actions of the past were made with due regard to the atmosphere of the times and do not reflect the current opinions of the monarchy or of the Commonwealth"

    People need to let go of the past.


    If my great great Grandfather was a murderer, I wouldn't be expected to apologyze for his actions to the Victim's great great grandchildren would I? I know I am a good preson that does many charitable deeds, tries to help others and go along my daily life with a clear conscience. I don't need to apologyze for shit.

    As for the monarchy, they don't need to apologyze for the policy of 225 years ago...they perhaps need to say sorry for some of the shit they have been doing in our lifetime though
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    Oct 16, 2010 3:23 PM GMT
    4travel saidA simple statement along the lines of " Actions of the past were made with due regard to the atmosphere of the times and do not reflect the current opinions of the monarchy or of the Commonwealth"

    People need to let go of the past.


    If my great great Grandfather was a murderer, I wouldn't be expected to apologyze for his actions to the Victim's great great grandchildren would I? I know I am a good preson that does many charitable deeds, tries to help others and go along my daily life with a clear conscience. I don't need to apologyze for shit.

    As for the monarchy, they don't need to apologyze for the policy of 225 years ago...they perhaps need to say sorry for some of the shit they have been doing in our lifetime though


    an excellent and "real world" common sense reply. icon_cool.gif
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    Oct 16, 2010 4:11 PM GMT
    Two things, I think, require elaboration for clarification:

    1. Queen Elizabeth is only the current embodiment of "The Crown" - and it is appropriate to seek such an apology ftrom "The Crown:" (the foundation of our Law.) In seeking an apology from The Crown, what is being sought is an apology from The Law for the wrong it allowed. It is not the apology of the individual, Elizabeth Windsor, being petitioned.


    2. the Matter is refered to the governor general for advice to the Ctrown , not necessarily to issue the apology. this is but one line item, in an agenda that spans the globe and nearly a hundred nations that all require a single moment of The Crown's time to sign and Seal something.

    . (There is a long prcess of consultation and advisement to go through first, just in forwarding a request to the Palace, then obtaining advice on how to deal with the request from people who have time to investigate it.whereupon it then goes into the queue of things that require the personal attention of the Monarch.
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    Oct 16, 2010 4:24 PM GMT
    AvadaKedavra said
    ElysianReport saidThank God we have so few of them in New Zealand to make such a fuss.


    You're thanking god that New Zealand has few black people?


    Wow Elysian....


    And because "black" people universally voice the exact same sentiments as the rest of the "black" community.



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    Oct 16, 2010 4:28 PM GMT
    Caslon16000 saidApologies for historical events are frequently made. It is simply an acknowledgement of past wrongs and shows that the present doesn't agree with them.

    Since this wrong was perpetrated by the institution of the monarchy, it is not unreasonable to ask the current monarch to acknowledge the wrong done by a predecessor.


    Ah, finally someone hits it on the spot.
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    Oct 16, 2010 4:31 PM GMT
    Fucking white people.
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    Oct 16, 2010 5:53 PM GMT
    TO: Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith

    Lizzie Girl,

    We's got to talk. While you gots your proclamation pen out, would just dash off a great big thank you and apology to Caslon of Alexandria, Virginia. His ancestors fought for crazy George and have never got so much as a fare-thee-well afterwards. I think a thank you for all the effort made and getting involved with that jackass king is very deserving and long overdue.

    Would you also include an abject apology, please. Those ancestors of mine had to move to Canada after all. C'mon, they couldnt even go out to get a cup of coffee at Tim Horton's without having to dodge polar bears, for christ's sake. If that isnt worth an apology, I dont know what is!

    Here's a riddle for ya: What do 18th century british generals have in common with 21st century american generals?

    Answer: Neither one could plan so much as a panty raid and pull it off successfully. Hahahahahahahaha

    Well, I guess that's all the news, Liz. If you could just drop that proclamation in mail today, I woulds certainly appreciate it.

    Give Phil all my best.

    Caslon



    Don't act so shocked.  Everyone reads on the throne.
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    Oct 16, 2010 7:15 PM GMT
    Caslon16000 saidApologies for historical events are frequently made. It is simply an acknowledgement of past wrongs and shows that the present doesn't agree with them.

    Since this wrong was perpetrated by the institution of the monarchy, it is not unreasonable to ask the current monarch to acknowledge the wrong done by a predecessor.


    Fine I'll buy into this. I figured an apology would have already been issued if it's been 225 years. If not then I suppose it does deserve one now.

    Angry Black people...you win this time.icon_twisted.gif