Been Placed on Testosterone, Some Questions

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    Oct 15, 2010 8:03 PM GMT
    So after having a blood test done 3 weeks ago, what I thought to be true is. I went to my doctor yesterday and found out I have a relatively low testosterone count. On the spectrum, normal is 300 - 900 and my level is 301, which is damn low for a 36 year old.

    So he prescribed (and I asked for) testosterone. Since I had the feeling that the blood work would indicate a low level, I did a lot of homework, most of it on bodybuilding websites.

    At first my doc wanted to prescribe Androgel to me but I convinced him instead to go to a compounding pharmacist and have them compound the test for me. It's a 5% 1ml cream in a syringe. I'm supposed to use one syringe per day. Per the pharmacist, that equates to 150mg. so I'm on 150mg of test per day. I asked it her if it was ethanate or cypionate and she said neither. The compounded test is 100% pure and just mixed into a cream base and, based on what she said, has many less side effects.

    I plan on taking full advantage of this. I had a trainer for a year and a half and worked hard and saw gains but because of heath issues had to stop. I'm now well enough to begin again. So lets say I'm a gym newbie and on top of that I'm adding 150mg of testosterone per day, generally speaking, what kind of muscle gains can I expect?

    Is the amount of test at 150mg a day too low to do any type of enhancement? While doing my research on anabolic steroid sites, they always talked about stacking, and I know what that is, but I don't plan on doing that unless I hear recommendations otherwise.


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    Oct 15, 2010 10:56 PM GMT
    A good starting amount is 250mg/ per ml, thats what i did for 6 weeks then upped it to 2ml/ 500mg....it takes around 4 weeks to kick in......im not sure on cream based steroids.....never heard of anyone taking them for BB.....
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    Oct 15, 2010 10:58 PM GMT
    ...a lot of guys us D-Bol for 4 weeks as a kick start before the test takes effect, normaly aound 40-60mg per day ......drink lots of fluids...icon_cool.gif
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    Oct 16, 2010 4:16 AM GMT
    TommyT said...a lot of guys us D-Bol for 4 weeks as a kick start before the test takes effect, normaly aound 40-60mg per day ......drink lots of fluids...icon_cool.gif


    Thanks TommyT for getting back to me. I plan on getting D-Bol so I can get a jump start. I read some beginner cycles and it looked as though for jump starting, to only take D-Bol for a month. I was concerned with some of the side effects of combining the D-Bol and the test and so am also thinking of getting an anti-estrogen like Proviron but am not sure if this is overkill or not.

    I suspect that the amount of test prescribed to me is too low. The pharmacist indicated that usually doctors will start off with smaller doses that typically don't get the person to where they need to be, so that most likely they will increase my test to at least 300 MG day. The good thing about going through my doc is that the test is covered by my insurance (D-bol and Proviron not).

    Usually you don't hear about the cream/gel based steroids because they are too weak for BB. Androgel and Testim have specific mgs that are premade. I think Androgel at most is 2.5% and Testim 2.7%. My starting dose is 5%. That's one of the reason's I went for compounded test. Pharmacist told me they could get it up to 25% test which is quite a bit

    I had read that for a guy my age, most docs want testosterone levels to be mid to upper (550 - 900). So am looking forward to seeing what happens. I'm getting older and feel as though the clock is ticking away for me to ever get a six pack and be ripped. Quite honestly, I've never tried that hard before but I'd like to say that at least once in my life, I achieved that goal. And if it happens with the help of HRT, which I needed anyway, even better.
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    Oct 16, 2010 6:42 AM GMT
    SomeGuyNJ saidSo after having a blood test done 3 weeks ago, what I thought to be true is. I went to my doctor yesterday and found out I have a relatively low testosterone count. On the spectrum, normal is 300 - 900 and my level is 301, which is damn low for a 36 year old.

    So he prescribed (and I asked for) testosterone. Since I had the feeling that the blood work would indicate a low level, I did a lot of homework, most of it on bodybuilding websites.

    At first my doc wanted to prescribe Androgel to me but I convinced him instead to go to a compounding pharmacist and have them compound the test for me. It's a 5% 1ml cream in a syringe. I'm supposed to use one syringe per day. Per the pharmacist, that equates to 150mg. so I'm on 150mg of test per day. I asked it her if it was ethanate or cypionate and she said neither. The compounded test is 100% pure and just mixed into a cream base and, based on what she said, has many less side effects.

    I plan on taking full advantage of this. I had a trainer for a year and a half and worked hard and saw gains but because of heath issues had to stop. I'm now well enough to begin again. So lets say I'm a gym newbie and on top of that I'm adding 150mg of testosterone per day, generally speaking, what kind of muscle gains can I expect?

    Is the amount of test at 150mg a day too low to do any type of enhancement? While doing my research on anabolic steroid sites, they always talked about stacking, and I know what that is, but I don't plan on doing that unless I hear recommendations otherwise.




    You're at a good starting point. Most doctors are scared of DEA trying to tell them how to run their practice so they get skiddish. 10% would be better, but, your doctor may feel that he can't do it because of controlled substance review. I know folks on 5%, 10%, test base in EMU, and other folks on Androgel. You made a good call. Androgel is junk, and expensive, and too low dose in most cases.

    300 is low to be sure. You'll feel great adjusted to 1000 or higher. HIV research has shown much improved outcomes at levels of 1000 and higher.

    You might want to seek out a doctor who works with HIV patients. They're more knowledgeable in the health benefits of androgens and will likely be more willing to prescribe higher dose levels. Some GPs are scared by heavy-handed DEA, and state medical boards. There is very low risk of bad side effects with testosterone, and the health benefits are many. The topical version has about 50% absorption according to medical professionals I've talked to about it. You're better off doing the topical. No need for medical supplies and no risk of infection.

    While not as dangerous as NSAIDS, you should stay away from C17 AAS such as the big D. Long term use can impair hepatic function until their discontinuance, but is reversible upon cessation.

    DHT AAS are NOT estrogen agonists to any great degree. There are other compounds that are much better suited that are not AAS.

    You need to do more research on all this. Bear in mind that, in The U.S., these substances are illegal, but, aren't in many regular countries. In the U.S., testosterone was placed on Schedule III despite unanimous recommendations not to. The endos have petitioned to have it taken off, but, because of the money being made in law enforcement (and the military industrial complex and its suppliers), that's probably not going to happen.

    You should be very careful as a good D.A. can indict a ham sandwich. Under current law, conspiracy is enough to get you in trouble. You don't have to actually do anything.
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    SomeGuyNJ saidSo after having a blood test done 3 weeks ago, what I thought to be true is. I went to my doctor yesterday and found out I have a relatively low testosterone count. On the spectrum, normal is 300 - 900 and my level is 301, which is damn low for a 36 year old.

    So he prescribed (and I asked for) testosterone. Since I had the feeling that the blood work would indicate a low level, I did a lot of homework, most of it on bodybuilding websites.

    At first my doc wanted to prescribe Androgel to me but I convinced him instead to go to a compounding pharmacist and have them compound the test for me. It's a 5% 1ml cream in a syringe. I'm supposed to use one syringe per day. Per the pharmacist, that equates to 150mg. so I'm on 150mg of test per day. I asked it her if it was ethanate or cypionate and she said neither. The compounded test is 100% pure and just mixed into a cream base and, based on what she said, has many less side effects.

    I plan on taking full advantage of this. I had a trainer for a year and a half and worked hard and saw gains but because of heath issues had to stop. I'm now well enough to begin again. So lets say I'm a gym newbie and on top of that I'm adding 150mg of testosterone per day, generally speaking, what kind of muscle gains can I expect?

    Is the amount of test at 150mg a day too low to do any type of enhancement? While doing my research on anabolic steroid sites, they always talked about stacking, and I know what that is, but I don't plan on doing that unless I hear recommendations otherwise.




    You're at a good starting point. Most doctors are scared of DEA trying to tell them how to run their practice so they get skiddish. 10% would be better, but, your doctor may feel that he can't do it because of controlled substance review. I know folks on 5%, 10%, test base in EMU, and other folks on Androgel. You made a good call. Androgel is junk, and expensive, and too low dose in most cases.

    300 is low to be sure. You'll feel great adjusted to 1000 or higher. HIV research has shown much improved outcomes at levels of 1000 and higher.

    You might want to seek out a doctor who works with HIV patients. They're more knowledgeable in the health benefits of androgens and will likely be more willing to prescribe higher dose levels. Some GPs are scared by heavy-handed DEA, and state medical boards. There is very low risk of bad side effects with testosterone, and the health benefits are many. The topical version has about 50% absorption according to medical professionals I've talked to about it. You're better off doing the topical. No need for medical supplies and no risk of infection.

    While not as dangerous as NSAIDS, you should stay away from C17 AAS such as the big D. Long term use can impair hepatic function until their discontinuance, but is reversible upon cessation.

    DHT AAS are NOT estrogen agonists to any great degree. There are other compounds that are much better suited that are not AAS.

    You need to do more research on all this. Bear in mind that, in The U.S., these substances are illegal, but, aren't in many regular countries. In the U.S., testosterone was placed on Schedule III despite unanimous recommendations not to. The endos have petitioned to have it taken off, but, because of the money being made in law enforcement (and the military industrial complex and its suppliers), that's probably not going to happen.

    You should be very careful as a good D.A. can indict a ham sandwich. Under current law, conspiracy is enough to get you in trouble. You don't have to actually do anything.



    Thanks for the advice. I realize that these guys are scheduled. My doctor is pretty flexible and the pharmacist and him know each other pretty well. She already mentioned that 5% is just a starter dose and more likely than not, he'll have to up the dosage. He's pretty amenable. I'll definitely do more homework and see what's what. There's a lot of info out there and it can be tough for a newbie to understand it all. Especially when people have different ways of getting the same result, I had no idea about all the steroids that existed.

    My doctor has been my doc for 10 years or so and I've never even come close to abusing the privilege of our friendly relationship so when I asked about HRT and compounded test, he immediately called the compounding pharmacy and talked to the pharmacist about it. So I should have no problem getting him to up the dosage. DEA is another story though and I've heard of good docs getting in lots of trouble for doing what's right for their patients (i.e. pain management).

    I remember the feeling of working out with my trainer. He was a good guy but he didn't play when it came to training. I loved the way I felt the next day after working out hard. Am looking forward to that same feeling again.