The Non-Jewish Immigrant Loyalty Oath

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    Oct 16, 2010 10:10 PM GMT
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/thousands-march-in-tel-aviv-against-loyalty-oath-bill-1.319431

    The demonstrators marched carrying signs reading "Jews and Arabs refuse to be enemies" and "Together we will protect the democratic space". Among the organizers of the protests were Hadash, Meretz, The Green Movement, and Gush Shalom parties and many social and human rights organizations.
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    Oct 16, 2010 10:51 PM GMT
    OMG the oath makes Israel sound like dictatorship, and nothing democratic about it. I myself could never go there if this was to come to pass.
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    Oct 17, 2010 3:01 AM GMT
    aunty_jack saidOMG the oath makes Israel sound like dictatorship, and nothing democratic about it. I myself could never go there if this was to come to pass.


    Yeah I know... ridiculous.
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    Oct 19, 2010 10:04 AM GMT
    well this sounds totally RACIST! but let's not be double-standard people. Iran and Suuadi Arabia are Islamic countries(eg: The Islamic Republic of Iran) in addition to this all the Arab countries(even the secular ones, except Lebanon) consider themselves as ISLAMIC countries and most of the Muslim countries too, and the WHOLE WORLD accepted them as ISLAMIC countries! So, I think it is NOT that bad if Jews had a Jewish country like when the Muslims have many Islamic countries.
    again, although it is totally RACIST i think that Israel,unlike the ISLAMIC WORLD, will not suppress the other races and religions in the state.
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    Oct 20, 2010 1:18 AM GMT
    Nothing wrong with this proposal, especially if Israel self identifies as a jewish state. But it should apply to all immigrants, jewish and non.
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    Oct 20, 2010 3:28 AM GMT
    Mepark saidNothing wrong with this proposal, especially if Israel self identifies as a jewish state. But it should apply to all immigrants, jewish and non.


    The Prime Minister has said as much, and they are expanding the oath of citizenship to include Jewish immigrants as well.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11571064
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    Oct 20, 2010 7:27 AM GMT
    I think the loyalty oath is superfluous and excessive.

    But considering there's many Muslim countries with larger populations that keep strict convention and canon, making the vast majority of it's citizens abide by Muslim law, I don't see how Israel doing the same on a minor scale is any worse.
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    Oct 20, 2010 7:29 AM GMT
    aunty_jack saidOMG the oath makes Israel sound like dictatorship, and nothing democratic about it. I myself could never go there if this was to come to pass.


    Yes you would. You'd be lured in by the exceedingly Pro-gay lush beaches of Tel Aviv featuring thousands of ambiguously gay men daily running around in their underwear. Oh no wait, this is where you're going to reply with the trite "honey blahblahblah I hate America and Israel, Australia is the best place because pretty pretty, I'm going to go do some quotidian thing now and talk about it before I do it."
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    Oct 20, 2010 7:32 AM GMT
    admen saidwell this sounds totally RACIST! but let's not be double-standard people. Iran and Suuadi Arabia are Islamic countries(eg: The Islamic Republic of Iran) in addition to this all the Arab countries(even the secular ones, except Lebanon) consider themselves as ISLAMIC countries and most of the Muslim countries too, and the WHOLE WORLD accepted them as ISLAMIC countries! So, I think it is NOT that bad if Jews had a Jewish country like when the Muslims have many Islamic countries.
    again, although it is totally RACIST i think that Israel,unlike the ISLAMIC WORLD, will not suppress the other races and religions in the state.


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    Oct 20, 2010 7:57 AM GMT
    sxydrkhair said
    If we both read the history before creation of Israel, majority of people that were living there were Christians and Muslims. During the 1948 war, half of 35% of Palestinian Christians are refugees. Most of them live in South America and North America and some stay in the refugee camps. Most of the refugees in Palestine (West Bank and Gaza) are Muslims. Ramallah for example was a Christian city then now majority of people living in Ramallah are Palestinian Muslim refugees from Jaffa and other part of Israel. Palestinian Christians that are originally from Ramallah now live in America due to Israeli brutality occupation. There were less than 5% of Jews living in Palestine pre-1890s. They were living peaceful with the Palestinian Christians and Muslims until the Zionist colonizers.


    First of all, Jews started BUYING the lands from Arabs and Muslims in Palestine. After they started strong bases there(by Buying the lands and paying twice or three-times the price) they started recruiting militias to attack whoever refused to sell(unfortunately the number of the Palestinians who sold their lands was way larger than who refused) so by BULLYING the rest they took over the other lands(and no one can deny this).

    so sad story for the non-Jews i know, but that generation passed and now Israel exists so it is silly to make today's Jews pay for the things done by their grandfathers because if this happens the same thing Christians and Europeans should do and pay for what they did to the Indians and Africans. And also the Muslims should pay for invading and forcing the non-Muslims to pay Jizyah and not letting them build churches or whatever(check Omar Bin Al-Khtab treaty with the Syrian and Palestinian Christians)

    sxydrkhair said
    Only Arab muslim country is Saudi Arabia. The rest of the Arabs countries are secular. Yes, majority of them are Muslims and that doesn't mean they live in Islamic countries. Iran is not an Arab country, but yes it is an Islamic country.


    Again all the Arab countries (even the secular, except Lebanon) consider themselves Islamic countries! for example Syria a few months ago BANNED burqa to DEFEND secularity but if you check the Syrian constitution you would see clearly the phrase: SYRIA IS AN ISLAMIC COUNTRY THAT AND OTHER MINORITIES LIVE HERE!

    the same thing goes for Egypt which is an Islamic country(the constitution) and many laws(but not all the laws) there are based on the Islamic law(Sharia) like marriage, divorce, inheritance...etc! just like the other ARABIC countries(except Lebanon, but Hizbullah trying to start a Shiite Islamic state there)
    So, if you want to live in an Arabic country you have to RESPECT the constitution there(which insists on that it is an Islamic country and other minorities live there)
    and yet only a few Islamic countries are Sharia states but the others are Symbolic Islamic countries(that only a FEW laws based on Sharia).
    Even the Symbolic Islamic countries that do not imply Sharia 100%, have many laws based on Sharia to repress the people who are DIFFERENT(gays, apostates, non-Muslims...)

    sxydrkhair saidLet's not forget that there are 1.5 billion Muslims world wide. 2nd largest religion in the world.

    I am totally against labeling countries according to religion or anything, but these labels EXIST! and if Muslims had their many Islamic countries i think that Jews should have one (Symbolic Jewish country like Syria or Egypt which they are Symbolic Islamic countries) but you think because of the number of Jews is way smaller than the Muslims they shouldn't have a Symbolic Jewish state!
    i really don't know what to say icon_sad.gif