Bar muscles, Body types and other observations

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    Oct 17, 2010 7:20 PM GMT
    So on another thread I talked about how I watched Logo's A List New York last night in the online episodes and I noticed something that sort of fit with something else I have been noticing and it also fit with a thread on here about shorter guys having better bodies.

    On the tv show I noticed that Reichen and his boyfriend who are supposed to represent hot guys seemed to be have their good bodies derived from one trait....leaness. The guys were not particularly muscular, but they were so lean they looked muscular.

    The guys were shown shirtless a few times and I noticed that aside from pecs and abs they did not seem that muscular in the back, arms or shoulders.

    I have noticed this in some other gay guys who go shirtless at bars and parties. A friend of mine has called it guys who only work on their "bar muscles" .....muscles that get noticed at the bars. These are the guys with pecs, six pack abs but not much in the arms, back or legs.

    These are the types of guys that when wearing clothes look on the skinny side and its only when their shirts are off that they have the appearance of any kind of muscle at all due to their leaness.

    In the other thread people talked about a high proportion of short guys having great bodies. I think it all has to do with how your muscles are shaped based on genetics not necessarily your work out regimen. I think it has to do with muscle length and insertion points. Short guys probably have more muscle per unit of bone length than taller guys so it is easier for the muscles to look more full.

    So for some guys all they have to do is get really lean and their muscles will pop out and appear larger. This could be completely uncorrelated to actual strength. In addition a guy who is the same height, weight and has the same degree of body fat and same lifting strength could look completely different because he has a slightly different shape to his muscles. One guy could look muscular and the other guy could just look skinny.

    Have you guys noticed this too.....guys who have seemed to focus on one or two muscle groups (pecs, abs) and left the other areas behind?


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    Oct 17, 2010 7:47 PM GMT
    RJNewbie2010 said

    In the other thread people talked about a high proportion of short guys having great bodies. I think it all has to do with how your muscles are shaped based on genetics not necessarily your work out regimen. I think it has to do with muscle length and insertion points. Short guys probably have more muscle per unit of bone length than taller guys so it is easier for the muscles to look more full.



    Insertion points are unrelated. Shorter stature bodies with proportionally shorter muscles have the ability to build muscle tissue more efficiently because of leverage mechanics.
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    Oct 17, 2010 9:28 PM GMT
    I watched The A list too, and I had the same impression about Reichen.

    Oh, no doubt he has a great body, but yeah. . . it's mostly in the abs and pecs. The shoulders, back and arms weren't all that great. Probably legs too. I remember thinking, Wow, considering that he's the stud of the universe, he needs to work his shoulders a little more LOL.
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    Oct 17, 2010 11:06 PM GMT
    do notice that too, alot of guys dont eat and just go for the 6 pack abs and neglect back and especially legs
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    Oct 17, 2010 11:56 PM GMT
    A lot of guys do this. Including the straight ones.
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    Oct 18, 2010 12:12 AM GMT
    I've heard them referred to as the mirror muscles as well. Abs, pecs, usually arms and shoulders as well, neglecting the lower body (chicken legs!) and back. Although I suspect that gay men might be slightly less likely to ignore the glutes.
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    Oct 18, 2010 12:19 AM GMT
    Tiran saidI've heard them referred to as the mirror muscles...


    Vanity mirror muscles.

    It's a common trait, but not just constrained to A-Gays. D-Straights too (the D stands for douche).
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    Oct 18, 2010 12:22 AM GMT
    It's not just among gay men that you see this--there are a few straight guys at my gym who only seem to be working their chest and biceps. From the waist up, they seem huge and ripped, but then they totter about on these skinny chicken legs...

    Another thing I don't get is how the guys (gay and straight) who are focused on bar muscles, they aren't necessarily very athletic. And then when they step out to smoke, the whole notion of any real physical fitness becomes an obvious sham.
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    Oct 18, 2010 12:24 AM GMT
    LittleDudeWithMuscles saidI watched The A list too, and I had the same impression about Reichen.

    Oh, no doubt he has a great body, but yeah. . . it's mostly in the abs and pecs. The shoulders, back and arms weren't all that great. Probably legs too. I remember thinking, Wow, considering that he's the stud of the universe, he needs to work his shoulders a little more LOL.


    Who said Reichen is the Stud of the universe? Who says hes even a stud?! icon_lol.gif

    Anyway, guys who work out only certain body parts to impress other people need to work out their self esteem instead.
    Men who exercise all bodyparts look more muscular, and balanced, well proportioned, which makes them look better.
    Why wouldnt we all want that?

    If Reichen represents what we supposedly want in a man, then we're in a sadder state than we think.
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    Oct 18, 2010 12:27 AM GMT
    I think stud was being used ironically.
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    Oct 18, 2010 12:35 AM GMT
    I have an on again off again workout partner that only ever wants to work chest and shoulders and maybe biceps. If its back day, or god forbid, leg day for me he takes a pass. I've always felt that muscular legs are a good indication of overall strength beyond simply having "pretty" muscles like pecs or a six pac.
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    Oct 18, 2010 12:40 AM GMT
    I <3 my bar muscles. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Oct 18, 2010 12:42 AM GMT
    There's a collective hate towards men that don't work out their legs. It's fascinating.


    "it's not haaaaaate, it's just that...."
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    Oct 18, 2010 12:44 AM GMT
    @Ciarloso - If I recall correctly, you have GREAT legs that are in perfect proportion to the rest of your body.

    Yup - I just checked. NIce, long and lean - like the rest of you.
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    Oct 18, 2010 12:45 AM GMT
    Posiden saidA lot of guys do this. Including the straight ones.
    actually, posiden, I will have to disagree with you on this one. straight guys will workout there legs way more often then gay guys. i have worked out at both gay and straight gyms and i can count on my hand the number of gay guys who worked out on their legs. i am not saying all gay do not workout on their legs. i am just saying that in my experience. i almost never see gay guys workout their legs. the one thing i can say that gay and straight guys have in common is that on monday they are all doing upper body workouts... ha ha ha ha ha

    also to answer the poster's thread. i will probably agree with you that most gay guys only focus on chest and abs and nothing else. i remembered at another gym i worked at there was a guy who would come in and the only thing he would do is chest. he would come in about 3 times a week and all he ever did was chest. he never did back or anything else. he just focused on chest. his legs were so skinny.
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    Oct 18, 2010 12:45 AM GMT
    sashaman said@Ciarloso[sic] - If I recall correctly, you have GREAT legs that are in perfect proportion to the rest of your body.

    Yup - I just checked. NIce, long and lean - like the rest of you.


    Aw thanks icon_biggrin.gif I wasn't referring to me though, I put in my leg day.
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    Oct 18, 2010 12:48 AM GMT
    sashaman saidI have an on again off again workout partner that only ever wants to work chest and shoulders and maybe biceps. If its back day, or god forbid, leg day for me he takes a pass. I've always felt that muscular legs are a good indication of overall strength beyond simply having "pretty" muscles like pecs or a six pac.


    Lol let your workout partner do what he keeps doing.
    Soon his pecs will get so big and heavy his weak back will curve over, giving him a 'hunchback' look. Not sexy. icon_lol.gif
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    Oct 18, 2010 1:24 AM GMT
    It looks like some people have noticed what I noticed and it looks like some people have misunderstood my posting.

    I never said what I noticed was confined to only gay men....and as further clarification I only said I noticed it in some gay guys because these were the guys that I have been likely to see shirtless.

    I acknowledge that this can be seen in straight men too.

    Back to the topic.

    One gym (a mostly gay gym) that I used to work out had one large workout floor with different sections for different body parts in addition to a free weight area. On crowded nights it was amazing to see how crowded everything but the leg area was. You could have groups of people waiting for certain non leg machines or waiting for a free bench while the leg area was nearly completely empty.
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    Oct 18, 2010 1:26 AM GMT
    I think i have the other kind of muscles, they look good when wearing t-shirts and dress shirts but when clothes are off i look just, okay. Anyone else?
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    Oct 18, 2010 4:36 AM GMT
    pat3rob saidI think i have the other kind of muscles, they look good when wearing t-shirts and dress shirts but when clothes are off i look just, okay. Anyone else?


    ^^I'm the same way, I look a lot better with my T-shirt on than off.

    As for the OP, I've seen guys at my old gym that only workout to get the "beach muscles". I find it annoying, but eh, gives me something to look at, and it's a lot better that they're working out instead of on the couch.

    I think there also seems to be a misunderstanding that muscle size necessarily equates to muscle strength. I know some guys that aren't particularly big in terms of muscle mass, but they are some of the strongest guys I know.
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    Oct 18, 2010 8:25 AM GMT
    In the UK we would call them 'Disco Muscles' - though that usually includes biceps.

    I don't look too impressive but the key thing for me is to work my whole body and be in proportion, which I'd rather be that just a pair of pecs. Eventually I will look muscular all over and it will be worth it! Guys who only do disco muscles will end up out of proportion and prone to injury, and not improve with time.
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    Oct 18, 2010 8:56 AM GMT
    pat3rob saidI think i have the other kind of muscles, they look good when wearing t-shirts and dress shirts but when clothes are off i look just, okay. Anyone else?


    Yes!
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    Oct 18, 2010 9:06 AM GMT
    Ciarsolo saidThere's a collective hate towards men that don't work out their legs. It's fascinating.


    "it's not haaaaaate, it's just that...."


    It is because they are scum.
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    Oct 18, 2010 10:31 AM GMT
    Ive never understood why the lean guys are considered "muscular". I cant stand a guy with a decent upper body but has chicken legs! So unproportioned.

    To me an awesome physique is an X frame type. Chest & back thickness with wide shoulders but with awesome thick legs!

    Im a total legs & ass man anyway. I love working out my legs and have always been complimented on them, even by straight guys in the gym.

    We all want to look good but dont forget about the other half of your body.....your lower half.
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    Oct 18, 2010 10:47 AM GMT

    It is quite common for guys to concentrate on the 'mirror muscles' - pecs, shoulders, biceps and abs. It is of course, a big mistake because it results in serious muscle imbalance and later in life real probems with posture. A resistance schedule which works all muscle groups is essential for health and well-being (and for looking good).