Gay parents more likely to have gay kids

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    Oct 17, 2010 7:40 PM GMT
    WAIT! Before you read this article google "Walter Schumm"icon_rolleyes.gif

    http://www.aolnews.com/science/article/study-gay-parents-more-likely-to-have-gay-kids/19668089?icid=main|aim|dl1|sec1_lnk3|178293

    http://tiny.cc/xvq9h
  • Webster666

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    Oct 18, 2010 5:24 AM GMT
    I would think that it would be the same for gay or straight parents.

    It makes sense that, the more gay DNA (or RNA, or whatever it is) there is in a parent's family line, the more likely there will be gay children.

    On my father's side of the family, my grandfather was gay.
    On my mother's side of the family, my uncle is gay, and another uncle has two gay children.
    So, it shouldn't be surprising that there are two gay children in my family.

    Otherwise, all straight parents would produce only straight children, and a gay man plus a lesbian woman would produce only gay/lesbian children.
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    Oct 18, 2010 5:27 AM GMT
    It makes sense that, the more gay DNA (or RNA, or whatever it is) there is in a parent's family line, the more likely there will be gay children.


    Wouldn't the same amount of DNA be present in both a gay and straight male/female, it is just whether or not the gene is recessive or not?
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    Oct 18, 2010 5:28 AM GMT
    I've been saying homosexuality is hereditary for over 10 years.
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    Oct 18, 2010 5:32 AM GMT
    Hi, I'm Troy MaClure. Ever wonder why fat people have fat babies? or why Chinese people have Chinese babies? it's because of the magic of DNA!

    sorry, I'll stop that now....
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    Oct 18, 2010 5:42 AM GMT
    kietkat said
    Fountains saidHi, I'm Troy MaClure. Ever wonder why fat people have fat babies? or why Chinese people have Chinese babies? it's because of the magic of DNA!

    sorry, I'll stop that now....


    LOL "Mr. McClure what does DNA stand for?" ::blank stare:: into camera... The End

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    Oct 18, 2010 6:21 AM GMT
    Holy fucking shit. AOL news could not have tried any harder to make this man look sane. Fuck them.
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    Oct 18, 2010 6:22 AM GMT
    This article makes sad that maybe I'm gay because of my mess up enviromnment. Also I think the subjects in from the same sex parents weren't related.
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    Oct 18, 2010 8:12 AM GMT
    I honestly think IF gay parents raised gay kids it would simply be that the kid is not AFRAID to be themselves.

    Even amongst some of the most progressive straight families gay kids struggle with coming out.

    But yea, AOL news was really giving this guy far to much credit.
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    Oct 18, 2010 8:22 AM GMT
    This sentence...

    AOL News"I'm trying to prove that it's not 100 percent genetic," Schumm tells AOL News.


    ...repudiates ALL his research.

    He should be looking for an absolute truth. Not trying to prove his own biased belief. And his research methodology is to review other people's work and then form his own analysis? This isn't credible work. It is sloppy, lazy and sensationalist.
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    Oct 18, 2010 8:31 AM GMT
    I haven't read the AOL news article, but i'm sure multiple factors contribute to the development in which it can be 'hereditary.'

    awkwardly, as a young kid(from kindergarten up til 4th grade), I hung my guy friend and I hung around girls alot; however, now, we guys grew up to be gay, but the girls became lesbo.. I'd like to think it has to do with upbringing. . My own parents neglected me often, but I was taken care of by a neighbor - She was a domineering woman most of the time..... so yeah
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    Oct 18, 2010 10:18 AM GMT
    The REAL question here is... why does it matter?

    Sure it's an interesting debate but my concern is that the motivation for the people who conduct research into 'why' we are gay may be more sinister than general interest.

    You may legitimately want to research the cause of genetic diseases to prevent them in the future.

    Being gay is however not a disease. Are they researching a 'cause' because they intend to prevent gay births in the future?
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    Oct 18, 2010 10:38 AM GMT
    Here's a contraversial question then -

    If you were a gay parent would you (knowing what it's like being gay) want a gay child? Would it make no difference? Would you prefer it?
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    Oct 18, 2010 1:29 PM GMT
    NickFit saidHere's a contraversial question then -

    If you were a gay parent would you (knowing what it's like being gay) want a gay child? Would it make no difference? Would you prefer it?


    It makes no difference to me at all. I recognise though that my protective instincts would kick in if we did not live in a society (and country) in which we have achieved such a degree of equality and acceptance.

    If we were living in a country still trailing badly I would be worried for a gay child's acceptance and how it might impct his or her life.
    That ot being a concern for them, I have the luxury of caring only for genealogical purposes. There is a sense of lineal continuity in the family tree that we have traced to 1650 when our name first arrived in New France. Our place is already in the record. (When I remarry. mine will be the first same-sex marriage among the entries. My man goes into the book, forming a link by legal marriage between his clan and mine. (which I concede may already be linked by "opposite marriage."

    (Descendents abound on both sides of the Canada-US border, under a myriad of spelling variants.

    There are descendents currently sitting in Congress (according to our clan website - maintained by a descendent in the USA).

    My daughter identifies as Bisexual, but allows she really is not sure.

    My son is a totally typical average 20 year old. He has had the same girlfriend now for over a year (not his first though).

    I am actually a bit envious of him. Objectively, He is good looking, average height, 165 lbs and muscular. If pressed his sister will admit girls find him "pretty hot" and he has aways been the choosey one.

    He is attracted to a particular type: blonde - BIG boobs, narrow waist, fair skin.icon_lol.gif
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    Oct 18, 2010 1:35 PM GMT


    ...and for how many thousands of years have gay people come from straight families? icon_wink.gif
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    Oct 18, 2010 2:08 PM GMT
    meninlove said

    ...and for how many thousands of years have gay people come from straight families? icon_wink.gif
    That presumption is based on gay/straight being black and white, which we know it isn't; and based on the presumption that all people who "say" they're straight are telling the truth, which is very often untrue. When someone tell me they're straight, I immediately think "how straight?" icon_wink.gif
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    Oct 18, 2010 2:22 PM GMT

    lol, Mom and Dad are straight, so are Bill's parents. You think they lied? icon_wink.gif
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    Oct 18, 2010 2:26 PM GMT

    I have pondered this question since I was about nine years old...yes, I knew waaay back then.
    I do NOT buy the hereditary theory...well, not 100%. And I don't buy any other theory 100%...
    I have asked literally a gazillion men and women...and what I find most common is that there just might be as many reasons "why" as the number of gays who just "are".
    Besides...who really wants to know? If they found out WHY, they might come up with a cure!!! And we sure as hell don't want THAT to happen, do we??icon_lol.gif
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    Oct 18, 2010 2:36 PM GMT


    ...and it gets even more interesting. Over the years we met several gay couples, lesbians with gay men that did the ol' heave-ho (or artificial insemination for some) and all their kids except for one turned out straight.
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    Oct 18, 2010 2:40 PM GMT
    If religious right really want to stop the gays....


    then stop having gay children!!
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    Oct 18, 2010 4:41 PM GMT
    I am definitely from the beilief that much of being gay is hereditery. Much of what makes us who we are are attricuted to genetics, it just seems natural that there are certain parts of our gene pool that can influence a persons sexuality. I woud really love to see a more concrete research on the subject. Going from personal experience of my own and frirends there definitely seems to be more gay family memebers in our families than those of my straight friends.
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    Oct 26, 2010 2:28 PM GMT
    My dad's gay... literally.
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    Oct 26, 2010 2:45 PM GMT
    Does the AOL article make it clear whether Schumm looked at only the biological children of gay parents, or adopted, or both? It does reference some input he had in 2008 to the State of Florida regarding its ban on gay adoption, but I don't see that distinction made in the AOL piece about this current study.
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    Oct 26, 2010 2:47 PM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca saidGay parents more likely to have gay kids
    I believe that to be 100% true. Homosexuality is hereditary. Too bad the article doesn't mention that part, though. icon_wink.gif
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    Oct 26, 2010 2:51 PM GMT
    Meh.
    Given that we can only label someone as "gay" once they come out, you can replace all instances of "gay" with "people who have admitted to themselves and others that they are gay".

    It's not surprising that children of gay parents would be more likely to accept their own sexuality (whatever that might be). Given that people default to "straight", you're going to get more openly gay/bi children in open minded families.
    There's no need to invoke "genes".

    I'm sure a little bit of work would also show that straight liberals, hippies, or people that list themselves as "pro-diversity" on a questionnaire are also much more likely to have children that are "gay". Certainly, just looking at grad school: liklihood of grad students being gay/bisexual (more the latter) is waaaay higher than you see elsewhere. I assume it's because they're more open to questioning their sexuality than most.

    Note: Also worth noting that Schumann is trying to argue for a strong non-genetic component to sexuality. He's arguing that upbringing plays a role.


    [Edit: Borderline Ridiculousness. just read the rest of the article. Regardless of what the truth turns out to be Schumann's research is a meta-analysis that includes, among other things, reviews of texts in gay parenting books.
    NYT article, linked by OPHis study is a meta-analysis of existing work. First, Schumm extrapolated data from 10 books on gay parenting; Cameron, for what it's worth, had only looked at three, and offered no statistical analysis in his paper. Schumm skewed his data so that only self-identified gay and lesbian children would be labeled as such.

    This is important because sometimes Schumm would come across a passage of children of gay parents who said they were "adamant about not declaring their sexual orientation at all." These people would be labeled straight, even though the passage's implication was that they were gay.

    Schumm concluded that children of lesbian parents identified themselves as gay 31 percent of the time; children of gay men had gay children 19 percent of the time, and children of a lesbian mother and gay father had at least one gay child 25 percent of the time.

    Meta-analyses have a host of problems. But from the minimal description in this article his sounds like it is strongly biased. You don't need a PhD to see huge problems with trying to extrapolate real world sexual orientation figures from passages in parenting books, which are selected to illustrate various issues, not be statistically representative of all families.
    I wouldn't put too much stock in this particular study without a lot more info.

    Meat:
    dittoFinally, Schumm looked at the existing academic studies, the ones used to pillory Cameron's work. In all there are 26 such studies. Schumm ran the numbers from them and concluded that, surprisingly, 20 percent of the kids of gay parents were gay themselves. When children only 17 or older were included in the analysis, 28 percent were gay.

    ^^^These numbers are more likely to be legitimately representative. But, if nothing else, still subject to huge self-reporting biases.
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