Alaska Tea Party/Republican Senate Candidate detains editor of Alaska Dispatch.

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    Oct 18, 2010 4:33 AM GMT
    Joe Miller is running for the senior Senator seat in Alaska. He is a Tea Party Candidate whose background has been working as a Federal Judge, serving with honor in the US Army, and working as a district/municipal attorney in Alaska. He has steadfastedly refused to talk about his work history, and has recently vowed to NOT ANSWER questions from the media in Alaska. (The state where he is apparently unaware he is running for public office)

    Now, an editor who appeared at a public event on public property (a word of mouth rally at a local school) was detained by Miller's security team after refusing to acknowledge the security team's threats to arrest him and continuing to film Miller and ask questions regarding his work history.

    This is from the editor's online publication, the Alaska Dispatch.

    http://alaskadispatch.com/dispatches/news/7186-breaking-alaska-dispatch-editor-detained-at-miller-event

    A conflicting version of events happened, according to the security team: they maintain that when he felt threatened, the editor pushed one of their number.

    http://www.adn.com/2010/10/17/1506223/miller-security-guards-handcuff.html

    The editor has been released, after the police showed up and asked that he be unchained.

    Joe Miller has shown a general disregard for the media, even for moderate/conservative outlets such as the Fairbanks Daily News-Miner. Most media outlets in Alaska are having to sue to gain access to his work records, where according to former bosses, he was fired for using computers to engineer the downfall of the Republican Party Chair. When asked to clear the muddy waters and provide his own version of events, Miller maintained that talking about his work history would "violate attorney/client privilege", which the Borough, his former employer, says that it would not.

    Ironically, Miller was endorsed by Sarah Palin. Recent comments by his former employer and boss show that Miller was likely disciplined for the very same crime/unethical behavior that Mrs Palin campaigned against to run for office in Wasilla. Miller has so far refused to comment.
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    Oct 18, 2010 4:55 AM GMT
    He also failed to file his financial disclosure paperwork in April as he was legally obliged to do, and only released his financial information THIS MONTH - unlike his opponents, who all filed their financial disclusure paperwork on time.

    It turns out Joe wasn't just tardy because he's disorganized.
    He was deliberately trying to hide the fact that he owes tens of thousands of dollars in student loan and credit card DEBT.
    This from a guy who has been hypocritically whining about how the federal government is in debt, and how he wants to go to D.C. to get our financial house in order.
    Meanwhile, he can't get his own financial house in order.

    He's a typical Republican hypocrite saying anything to get elected.
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    Oct 18, 2010 5:47 AM GMT
    Perhaps somebody on this site will have an answer. How the hell is this not false imprisonment? Am I allowed to walk down the street, claim I feel threatened, slap the cuffs on somebody and hold them for a half hour at my leaisure?

    If that is the case, perhaps a few of us can get together, head to Alaska, bump into Mr.Miller and cuff him for an hour or so because we "feel threatened" by him. I would ask to press charges if I were that reporter.

    I was willing to look past the debt. Really, in this economy of low interest rates and inflation debt is actually good provided you have the means to repay it if it becomes necessary (from his balance sheet it would appear that he likely could.) However, this along with refusing to talk with the media make me think the guy is more of a joke than a viable candidate.
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    west77 saidPerhaps somebody on this site will have an answer. How the hell is this not false imprisonment? Am I allowed to walk down the street, claim I feel threatened, slap the cuffs on somebody and hold them for a half hour at my leaisure?

    If that is the case, perhaps a few of us can get together, head to Alaska, bump into Mr.Miller and cuff him for an hour or so because we "feel threatened" by him. I would ask to press charges if I were that reporter.

    I was willing to look past the debt. Really, in this economy of low interest rates and inflation debt is actually good provided you have the means to repay it if it becomes necessary (from his balance sheet it would appear that he likely could.) However, this along with refusing to talk with the media make me think the guy is more of a joke than a viable candidate.


    I think according to (their version) of the events, he was a crazed and zealot-like critic who assaulted one of their members by pushing them as they attempted to coerce him to leave public space and a public rally. It really will probably depend on the police report and ironically, the video footage, to see if he actually shoved a security guard.

    No matter what way its spun, Miller has begun turning off Republicans as well as independent voters in Alaska. I should mention that the security personal are nothing new: they protected him during the Alaska State Republican Party convention. Republican politicians and voters did not know whom he viewed as threats.

    The personal debt is not necessarily viewed as negative: however, as a vocal critic of farm subsidies, he became a farmer (In ALASKA) and accepted subsidies for his land in Alaska.

    He is also responsible for increasing the tax revenue to the Borough by an estimated $5 million dollars when he convinced a judge that the Trans-Alaska pipeline was undervalued, while he is campaigning on a general basis of lower taxes.

    Generally, the big question is did he actually misuse computers, and why has he stopped talking to the media outright.
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    Oct 18, 2010 11:27 PM GMT
    There are some interesting new quotes. For one, Miller has come out and said that illegal immigration has solutions, especially if we look towards Communist East Germany.

    http://www.adn.com/2010/10/18/1507198/miller-cites-communist-east-germany.html

    The Anchorage Daily News has new video from the incident.

    http://www.adn.com/2010/10/17/1506223/miller-security-guards-handcuff.html
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    Oct 18, 2010 11:33 PM GMT
    Funny, I thought of the SS (which originated as Hitler's personal guard) instead of the Stasi when I heard about this...
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    The group was first formed in 1923, as a company of the SA who were given the task of protecting senior leaders of the Nazi Party at rallies, speeches, and other public events.


    But then Joe Miller is the complete opposite of Hitler, he won't even answer questions, much less write another Mein Kampf. He's more like Stalin--we should only know him by his propaganda and his 5-year plans.icon_twisted.gif
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    west77 saidPerhaps somebody on this site will have an answer. How the hell is this not false imprisonment? Am I allowed to walk down the street, claim I feel threatened, slap the cuffs on somebody and hold them for a half hour at my leaisure?

    If that is the case, perhaps a few of us can get together, head to Alaska, bump into Mr.Miller and cuff him for an hour or so because we "feel threatened" by him. I would ask to press charges if I were that reporter.

    I was willing to look past the debt. Really, in this economy of low interest rates and inflation debt is actually good provided you have the means to repay it if it becomes necessary (from his balance sheet it would appear that he likely could.) However, this along with refusing to talk with the media make me think the guy is more of a joke than a viable candidate.


    According to the CNBC article on the so-called arrest, Lt. Parker of the Anchorage Police Dept has said that the editor Hopfinger, could press for assault charges if he so chose. He said he will likely not, as he does not want to be the center of the issue.

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/39730110
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    Oct 18, 2010 11:42 PM GMT
    I don't know why you're getting worked up over this. Miller is a Teabagger/Republican, and will win in Alaska. He could kill people with his bare hands on camera, and will still get elected this year. Alaska is a firm Red State. End of issue.
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    Art_Deco saidI don't know why you're getting worked up over this. Miller is a Teabagger/Republican, and will win in Alaska. He could kill people with his bare hands on camera, and will still get elected this year. Alaska is a firm Red State. End of issue.



    Riiiiight...do you follow politics in Alaska at all? No candidate there has ever refused to talk to the entire body of the state media. And no one has ever run on a platform of repealing the 17th Amendment along with Social Security and Medicaid/Medicare, while benefiting from those very programs, etc etc.

    And no candidate has ever attempted to detain a critic.icon_rolleyes.gif

    The reason I am posting this is because Miller is losing moderate voters due to actions like this. Unlikely as it is, the Democrats are probably closer to a victory there than at any other time. Worked up implies anger/annoyance, this is more like glee.
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    Art_Deco saidI don't know why you're getting worked up over this. Miller is a Teabagger/Republican, and will win in Alaska. He could kill people with his bare hands on camera, and will still get elected this year. Alaska is a firm Red State. End of issue.



    Riiiiight...do you follow politics in Alaska at all? No candidate there has ever refused to talk to the entire body of the state media. And no one has ever run on a platform of repealing the 17th Amendment along with Social Security and Medicaid/Medicare, while benefiting from those very programs, etc etc.

    And no candidate has ever attempted to detain a critic.icon_rolleyes.gif

    The reason I am posting this is because Miller is losing moderate voters due to actions like this. Unlikely as it is, the Democrats are probably closer to a victory there than at any other time. Worked up implies anger/annoyance, this is more like glee.




    You're right.
    Also - the current senior senator from Alaska Lisa Murkowski is running as a write-in candidate and she has a real chance of siphoning votes away from Miller.
    That makes it possible - if not probable - for the Democrat to win.
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    north_runner said
    Art_Deco saidI don't know why you're getting worked up over this. Miller is a Teabagger/Republican, and will win in Alaska. He could kill people with his bare hands on camera, and will still get elected this year. Alaska is a firm Red State. End of issue.



    Riiiiight...do you follow politics in Alaska at all? No candidate there has ever refused to talk to the entire body of the state media. And no one has ever run on a platform of repealing the 17th Amendment along with Social Security and Medicaid/Medicare, while benefiting from those very programs, etc etc.

    And no candidate has ever attempted to detain a critic.icon_rolleyes.gif

    The reason I am posting this is because Miller is losing moderate voters due to actions like this. Unlikely as it is, the Democrats are probably closer to a victory there than at any other time. Worked up implies anger/annoyance, this is more like glee.




    You're right.
    Also - the current senior senator from Alaska Lisa Murkowski is running as a write-in candidate and she has a real chance of siphoning votes away from Miller.
    That makes it possible - if not probable - for the Democrat to win.


    Realistically, I think its going to be a fight between the Democratic candidate, McAdams, and Murkowski to see who can pick up whatever votes Miller is shedding. He wasn't that far ahead when Murkowski announced her write-in candidacy, and she has by far the highest name recognition in the state. They're adding a new commercial every 4-5 days. She could very well pull it off. She also has the complete endorsement of every Alaska Native corporation, financing her through one of the newly legal "super PACs".

    McAdams has meanwhile raised almost as much money as the super PAC through a grassroots network in the last finance period.

    While I don't trust her on LGBT issues right now, Murkowski has certainly never used gay people as a wedge issue. My opinion is that she's a moderate Republican who could eventually sustain a change in rhetoric in the party and move them towards a socially moderate stance. So we'll see how it turns out if she's elected.
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    rickrick91 said
    north_runner said
    Art_Deco saidI don't know why you're getting worked up over this. Miller is a Teabagger/Republican, and will win in Alaska. He could kill people with his bare hands on camera, and will still get elected this year. Alaska is a firm Red State. End of issue.



    Riiiiight...do you follow politics in Alaska at all? No candidate there has ever refused to talk to the entire body of the state media. And no one has ever run on a platform of repealing the 17th Amendment along with Social Security and Medicaid/Medicare, while benefiting from those very programs, etc etc.

    And no candidate has ever attempted to detain a critic.icon_rolleyes.gif

    The reason I am posting this is because Miller is losing moderate voters due to actions like this. Unlikely as it is, the Democrats are probably closer to a victory there than at any other time. Worked up implies anger/annoyance, this is more like glee.




    You're right.
    Also - the current senior senator from Alaska Lisa Murkowski is running as a write-in candidate and she has a real chance of siphoning votes away from Miller.
    That makes it possible - if not probable - for the Democrat to win.


    Realistically, I think its going to be a fight between the Democratic candidate, McAdams, and Murkowski to see who can pick up whatever votes Miller is shedding. He wasn't that far ahead when Murkowski announced her write-in candidacy, and she has by far the highest name recognition in the state. They're adding a new commercial every 4-5 days. She could very well pull it off. She also has the complete endorsement of every Alaska Native corporation, financing her through one of the newly legal "super PACs".

    McAdams has meanwhile raised almost as much money as the super PAC through a grassroots network in the last finance period.

    While I don't trust her on LGBT issues right now, Murkowski has certainly never used gay people as a wedge issue. My opinion is that she's a moderate Republican who could eventually sustain a change in rhetoric in the party and move them towards a socially moderate stance. So we'll see how it turns out if she's elected.


    There has been a terrible war on the press in this country since the Bush era and it's having a chilling effect on our public discourse. I hope this reporter sues Miller and the security company. A unifying theme of the Tea Party is that it's candidates will not answer questions. Why? Because they either can't answer them due to the utter lack of political and policy knowledge or they know their answers will be off-putting.

    It's a real shame that Murkowski was primaried by this tool. I hope her write in campaign costs Miller the election.
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    Art_Deco saidI don't know why you're getting worked up over this. Miller is a Teabagger/Republican, and will win in Alaska. He could kill people with his bare hands on camera, and will still get elected this year. Alaska is a firm Red State. End of issue.



    Riiiiight...do you follow politics in Alaska at all? No candidate there has ever refused to talk to the entire body of the state media. And no one has ever run on a platform of repealing the 17th Amendment along with Social Security and Medicaid/Medicare, while benefiting from those very programs, etc etc.

    And no candidate has ever attempted to detain a critic.icon_rolleyes.gif

    The reason I am posting this is because Miller is losing moderate voters due to actions like this. Unlikely as it is, the Democrats are probably closer to a victory there than at any other time. Worked up implies anger/annoyance, this is more like glee.




    You're right.
    Also - the current senior senator from Alaska Lisa Murkowski is running as a write-in candidate and she has a real chance of siphoning votes away from Miller.
    That makes it possible - if not probable - for the Democrat to win.


    Realistically, I think its going to be a fight between the Democratic candidate, McAdams, and Murkowski to see who can pick up whatever votes Miller is shedding. He wasn't that far ahead when Murkowski announced her write-in candidacy, and she has by far the highest name recognition in the state. They're adding a new commercial every 4-5 days. She could very well pull it off. She also has the complete endorsement of every Alaska Native corporation, financing her through one of the newly legal "super PACs".

    McAdams has meanwhile raised almost as much money as the super PAC through a grassroots network in the last finance period.

    While I don't trust her on LGBT issues right now, Murkowski has certainly never used gay people as a wedge issue. My opinion is that she's a moderate Republican who could eventually sustain a change in rhetoric in the party and move them towards a socially moderate stance. So we'll see how it turns out if she's elected.


    There has been a terrible war on the press in this country since the Bush era and it's having a chilling effect on our public discourse. I hope this reporter sues Miller and the security company. A unifying theme of the Tea Party is that it's candidates will not answer questions. Why? Because they either can't answer them due to the utter lack of political and policy knowledge or they know their answers will be off-putting.

    It's a real shame that Murkowski was primaried by this tool. I hope her write in campaign costs Miller the election.


    He's already said that he won't pursue charges for now, or at least the APD has said as much. However, they have yet to release security camera film from the incident. So right now its a he-said-they said sort of situation, with Hopfinger maintaining his innocence and the security detail saying he was trespassing.

    Miller has said Monday that he hired the security team in order to fulfill the terms of the lease on renting the school gymnasium. What he hasn't said is that he had also used the same security detail to escort him during the State Republican convention. State Republican lawmakers and party members in attendance at the convention remembered it as being quite odd, and that they weren't sure who he viewed as threats in his own party.

    Miller's own reticence to speak to the local media is really weird. There are several newspapers with solid conservative backgrounds, but he views any attempts to inquire into his work history as a public attorney or magistrate as unwarranted, whereas Murkowski's work history as a public official is fair game. He said as much in a national interview with CNN.

    http://www.adn.com/2010/10/18/1507733/miller-admits-borough-disciplined.html
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    north_runner saidThe reason I am posting this is because Miller is losing moderate voters due to actions like this. Unlikely as it is, the Democrats are probably closer to a victory there than at any other time. Worked up implies anger/annoyance, this is more like glee.

    You can post all you like. There is no way the Democratic candidate can win in a Red State like Alaska this year. Teabagger/Republican Miller is the likely winner, whether he speaks to anybody or not. The Teabaggers support him, and that's all that matters, regardless of what he does or doesn't say. And I give Murkowski's attempt no chance, though it will clearly affect the outcome.
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    north_runner saidThe reason I am posting this is because Miller is losing moderate voters due to actions like this. Unlikely as it is, the Democrats are probably closer to a victory there than at any other time. Worked up implies anger/annoyance, this is more like glee.

    You can post all you like. There is no way the Democratic candidate can win in a Red State like Alaska this year. Teabagger/Republican Miller is the likely winner, whether he speaks to anybody or not. The Teabaggers support him, and that's all that matters, regardless of what he does or doesn't say. And I give Murkowski's attempt no chance, though it will clearly affect the outcome.


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    Art_Deco saidI don't know why you're getting worked up over this. Miller is a Teabagger/Republican, and will win in Alaska. He could kill people with his bare hands on camera, and will still get elected this year. Alaska is a firm Red State. End of issue.



    Riiiiight...do you follow politics in Alaska at all? No candidate there has ever refused to talk to the entire body of the state media. And no one has ever run on a platform of repealing the 17th Amendment along with Social Security and Medicaid/Medicare, while benefiting from those very programs, etc etc.

    And no candidate has ever attempted to detain a critic.icon_rolleyes.gif

    The reason I am posting this is because Miller is losing moderate voters due to actions like this. Unlikely as it is, the Democrats are probably closer to a victory there than at any other time. Worked up implies anger/annoyance, this is more like glee.




    You're right.
    Also - the current senior senator from Alaska Lisa Murkowski is running as a write-in candidate and she has a real chance of siphoning votes away from Miller.
    That makes it possible - if not probable - for the Democrat to win.


    Realistically, I think its going to be a fight between the Democratic candidate, McAdams, and Murkowski to see who can pick up whatever votes Miller is shedding. He wasn't that far ahead when Murkowski announced her write-in candidacy, and she has by far the highest name recognition in the state. They're adding a new commercial every 4-5 days. She could very well pull it off. She also has the complete endorsement of every Alaska Native corporation, financing her through one of the newly legal "super PACs".

    McAdams has meanwhile raised almost as much money as the super PAC through a grassroots network in the last finance period.

    While I don't trust her on LGBT issues right now, Murkowski has certainly never used gay people as a wedge issue. My opinion is that she's a moderate Republican who could eventually sustain a change in rhetoric in the party and move them towards a socially moderate stance. So we'll see how it turns out if she's elected.



    I agree about Murkowski.
    If Murkowski wins, it will be a huge comback for her, and a huge relief not to have an incompetent shifty tea party Republican like Miller in the Congress.

    Maybe it would encourage the Republicans to take a more moderate path if they see an extreme right teabagger go down to defeat at the hands of a moderate Republican.


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    rickrick91 saidMaybe it would encourage the Republicans to take a more moderate path if they see an extreme right teabagger go down to defeat at the hands of a moderate Republican.

    Except Miller will likely win, and then where is your model of Republican moderation? Like any party, Republicans will go where the votes are. This year it's with angry White males, the old "Get off my lawn!" guys.

    The old guys who hate Blacks, who hate minorities, and are enraged that a Black is in the White House. They call Obama a Muslim terrorist, a Socialist, a non-US citizen, and any other nonsense they can invent in their demented old minds.

    But there are enough of these cranky old guys that they will sway this next election. Along with their dutiful wives, We just have to wait them out, until they die. Unfortunately, a few of us here, like myself, don't have a lot of years to wait to see that. And so my partner & I have concluded that we'll never see it, and certainly not if it's dependent on the present disinterested gay generation to do anything about it.
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    rickrick91 saidMaybe it would encourage the Republicans to take a more moderate path if they see an extreme right teabagger go down to defeat at the hands of a moderate Republican.

    Except Miller will likely win, and then where is your model of Republican moderation? Like any party, Republicans will go where the votes are. This year it's with angry White males, the old "Get off my lawn!" guys.

    The old guys who hate Blacks, who hate minorities, and are enraged that a Black is in the White House. They call Obama a Muslim terrorist, a Socialist, a non-US citizen, and any other nonsense they can invent in their demented old minds.

    But there are enough of these cranky old guys that they will sway this next election. Along with their dutiful wives, We just have to wait them out, until they die. Unfortunately, a few of us here, like myself, don't have a lot of years to wait to see that. And so my partner & I have concluded that we'll never see it, and certainly not if it's dependent on the present disinterested gay generation to do anything about it.


    Jesus, you guys sound like you either need a hug or a drink. Or both.

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    rickrick91 saidMaybe it would encourage the Republicans to take a more moderate path if they see an extreme right teabagger go down to defeat at the hands of a moderate Republican.

    Except Miller will likely win, and then where is your model of Republican moderation? Like any party, Republicans will go where the votes are. This year it's with angry White males, the old "Get off my lawn!" guys.

    The old guys who hate Blacks, who hate minorities, and are enraged that a Black is in the White House. They call Obama a Muslim terrorist, a Socialist, a non-US citizen, and any other nonsense they can invent in their demented old minds.

    But there are enough of these cranky old guys that they will sway this next election. Along with their dutiful wives, We just have to wait them out, until they die. Unfortunately, a few of us here, like myself, don't have a lot of years to wait to see that. And so my partner & I have concluded that we'll never see it, and certainly not if it's dependent on the present disinterested gay generation to do anything about it.


    Do you guys have facebook accounts? I think you would be surprised to see how active young LGBT people can be. The medium might have changed, but the gay community I am involved in, in Alaska and here in Albuquerque, is extremely active and organized. Don't lump everyone in with bad eggs.
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    According to the CNBC article on the so-called arrest, Lt. Parker of the Anchorage Police Dept has said that the editor Hopfinger, could press for assault charges if he so chose. He said he will likely not, as he does not want to be the center of the issue.

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/39730110

    Ah, thanks for that. I would press charges to make a point. To have a private security team physically restrain and detain you because somebody decides he does not like your questions or behavior and is a pretty bad example for somebody hoping to be a lawmaker to set.
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    Oct 19, 2010 10:46 AM GMT
    Here's a little something about the security personnel, so it's not surprising:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/shannyn-moore/joe-millers-militia_b_766092.htmlE
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    on Fox News "I answered one question and he kept at it. So I turned around and I left... And after I left the building, the security team that the contract required us to have arrested him because he pushed one of their individuals. But the reason why this whole thing is curious, I have not told any outlet this before, but at the beginning of this event, the blogger, he actually followed me into the restroom... This guy is kind of getting in your personal space, this is just absolutely crossing the line. But the blog that he worked for has had a history of being quite unfair in its approach to our campaign and so this kind behavior should not be taken as a surprise."

    According to Miller, the presence of a private security firm was not his call. The public school demanded that he hire the detail prior to coming to the town hall meeting. As for the notion that detaining a reporter against his will wasn't perhaps the best demonstration of First Amendment rights, Miller re-affirmed his love of the Constitution.

    "Well, I have been the most transparent, most successful candidate of the three. That town hall meeting was full of people with questions and we answered them. So, if anybody is going to talk about the First Amendment, we are huge proponents of it and we like to have the free exchange of ideas and that is what happened up until this guy just starting crossing the line and we think it was probably planned, I mean, following the candidate into the restroom. I mean come on..."


    Then to CNN:In the CNN interview, Miller admitted he was disciplined for misusing borough computers but said "It was during my lunch hour." Miller added that his misuse of the computers and the ensuing reprimand had nothing to do with why he left the borough.


    1. Pee-shy?
    2. A bathroom is a bathroom, and the reporter was male. So where's the problem? How did you know he wasn't going to use it after you answered your question? icon_twisted.gif
    3. His personal space must be much bigger than my personal space. I mean, the whole bathroom is his personal space.
    4. Sure doesn't look like from the video he left the building.
    5. Is it so hard to answer the question? Or does it take CNN and not a local journalist to ask that question?
    6. "Most transparent" speaks for itself. Newspeak.
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    on Fox News "I answered one question and he kept at it. So I turned around and I left... And after I left the building, the security team that the contract required us to have arrested him because he pushed one of their individuals. But the reason why this whole thing is curious, I have not told any outlet this before, but at the beginning of this event, the blogger, he actually followed me into the restroom... This guy is kind of getting in your personal space, this is just absolutely crossing the line. But the blog that he worked for has had a history of being quite unfair in its approach to our campaign and so this kind behavior should not be taken as a surprise."

    According to Miller, the presence of a private security firm was not his call. The public school demanded that he hire the detail prior to coming to the town hall meeting. As for the notion that detaining a reporter against his will wasn't perhaps the best demonstration of First Amendment rights, Miller re-affirmed his love of the Constitution.

    "Well, I have been the most transparent, most successful candidate of the three. That town hall meeting was full of people with questions and we answered them. So, if anybody is going to talk about the First Amendment, we are huge proponents of it and we like to have the free exchange of ideas and that is what happened up until this guy just starting crossing the line and we think it was probably planned, I mean, following the candidate into the restroom. I mean come on..."


    Then to CNN:In the CNN interview, Miller admitted he was disciplined for misusing borough computers but said "It was during my lunch hour." Miller added that his misuse of the computers and the ensuing reprimand had nothing to do with why he left the borough.


    1. Pee-shy?
    2. A bathroom is a bathroom, and the reporter was male. So where's the problem? How did you know he wasn't going to use it after you answered your question? icon_twisted.gif
    3. His personal space must be much bigger than my personal space. I mean, the whole bathroom is his personal space.
    4. Sure doesn't look like from the video he left the building.
    5. Is it so hard to answer the question? Or does it take CNN and not a local journalist to ask that question?
    6. "Most transparent" speaks for itself. Newspeak.


    Miller has been trying to portray the guy as crazy and a threat, instead of persistant and or annoying. There's been no evidence or mention in the media here of Hopfinger following people in the bathroom, either by the newspapers or in the police report.

    According to the ADN, the school has said it has no such requirement in its lease that asks for rallies in its gymnasiums to include security details.

    They announced that it was not true that they asked for a security team in the lease. They asked for hall monitors and a speech that included asking attendees to park properly, dispose of trash in the proper manner, etc. Interestingly enough, that didn't happen. Hahaha.

    http://www.adn.com/2010/10/18/1507982/questions-surround-use-of-security.html

    According to the ADN, several of the security detail are on-duty soldiers, who are being questioned if they had permission from their current commanders to work as security personnel.

    According to Lt. Parker in the same article, the so called citizens arrest that Fulton placed Hopfinger under might have been illegal in that he refused at all times to identify who he was and under what authority he had the right to arrest Hopfinger. The school district has mentioned that they did not rent out the hallway or the external facilities of the school, rather just the gymnasium etc. So according to the school district, Hopfinger had a right to be there.


    edit**: the latest polls from three different groups (Tea Party, Republican and Democratic organizations) show a three way tie in Alaska.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/15/new-polls-confirm-a-three_n_763912.html
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    Oct 19, 2010 4:55 PM GMT
    north_runner saidDo you guys have facebook accounts? I think you would be surprised to see how active young LGBT people can be. The medium might have changed, but the gay community I am involved in, in Alaska and here in Albuquerque, is extremely active and organized. Don't lump everyone in with bad eggs.

    I think my partner is on Facebook, but I'm not. Can't see a reason why I'd be interested.

    Young GLBT will have no influence on this election. Lots of online talk, but no action. You are wrong in that regard.

    The ones who will actually vote are the old "get off my lawn!" guys. Kids don't vote. Forget what they say, they rarely deliver. That's what demographics show. Kids are all talk, but with little results

    When i go to the election polling station, I see mostly middle-aged people. I have never seen a young kid, which is to say, under 30.

    As I said, young kids talk a good game, but they simply don't vote, at least not here. That's why I generally ignore them online regarding politics, because I know it's all BS. Lot's a talk, but no action.
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    Oct 19, 2010 5:42 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    north_runner saidDo you guys have facebook accounts? I think you would be surprised to see how active young LGBT people can be. The medium might have changed, but the gay community I am involved in, in Alaska and here in Albuquerque, is extremely active and organized. Don't lump everyone in with bad eggs.

    I think my partner is on Facebook, but I'm not. Can't see a reason why I'd be interested.

    Young GLBT will have no influence on this election. Lots of online talk, but no action. You are wrong in that regard.

    The ones who will actually vote are the old "get off my lawn!" guys. Kids don't vote. Forget what they say, they rarely deliver. That's what demographics show. Kids are all talk, but with little results

    When i go to the election polling station, I see mostly middle-aged people. I have never seen a young kid, which is to say, under 30.

    As I said, young kids talk a good game, but they simply don't vote, at least not here. That's why I generally ignore them online regarding politics, because I know it's all BS. Lot's a talk, but no action.


    It really must be hard carrying the world around on your back.

    Right. SO, everyone should just pack up and go home? Or is it only old white retirees in Florida who are worth the while?

    And just because I don't see someone at the polling station hardly qualifies the statement that they 1. didn't vote 2. don't matter.

    Jesus, you might need a drink but you make me want one too. And for the record, I already voted. So go cheer up.