Pentagon braces for huge WikiLeaks dump on Iraq war

  • metta

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    Oct 18, 2010 9:20 AM GMT
    Pentagon braces for huge WikiLeaks dump on Iraq war

    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69G19520101017
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    Oct 18, 2010 3:47 PM GMT
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    Oct 18, 2010 4:12 PM GMT
    How do they get 500,000! Classified documents??? Good god!
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    Oct 18, 2010 4:25 PM GMT
    I would like to know that as well. It's not classified if someone else has access.
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    Oct 18, 2010 7:46 PM GMT
    Ducky46 saidI would like to know that as well. It's not classified if someone else has access.


    Part of the problem has been the number of personnel, both in the military and outside it, who have top secret clearance for material such as this. Although some information is compartmentalized, there are an estimated >800,000 people who have 'top secret' clearance.

    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100719/D9H21JGO0.html
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    Oct 18, 2010 7:49 PM GMT
    Ducky46 saidI would like to know that as well. It's not classified if someone else has access.



    It's leaking from the inside.
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    Oct 18, 2010 7:51 PM GMT
    Wikileaks future might be in doubt, however. Julian Assange's residency permit for Sweden was recently denied with no comment. Without Sweden's safe haven laws regarding freedom of speech, it remains unclear where the websites founder will go, pending the conclusion of the investigation against him.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11570283
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    Oct 18, 2010 7:52 PM GMT
    I just want to say this:

    The freedom of speech has its limits. If these leaks jeopardize the life or welfare of anyone due to exposure, especially those fighting against the enemy, then it's treason and they should be shut down. Rights end where the next person's rights begin.
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    Oct 18, 2010 11:14 PM GMT
    coolarmydude saidI just want to say this:

    The freedom of speech has its limits. If these leaks jeopardize the life or welfare of anyone due to exposure, especially those fighting against the enemy, then it's treason and they should be shut down. Rights end where the next person's rights begin.



    Not entirely, because if that were the case, the people or institution that decides what's freedom of speech and what's not, would be the same as the ones who decide who the enemy are.

    If you don't have your shit in order, you'll get pwnd. Government or not.
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    Oct 18, 2010 11:17 PM GMT
    There is no 'enemy' weve been then for 10 years, havent really accomplished anything and have continually been promised that a retreat is in order. There is something going on there much deeper than any civilians know, and they don't plan on letting it get out. Even the US government wouldnt squander so many billions of dollars for no reason, it wasnt gas, it wasnt war heads.. we may never know what it is that keeps them there
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    Oct 18, 2010 11:22 PM GMT
    Progress saidThere is no 'enemy' weve been then for 10 years, havent really accomplished anything and have continually been promised that a retreat is in order. There is something going on there much deeper than any civilians know, and they don't plan on letting it get out. Even the US government wouldnt squander so many billions of dollars for no reason, it wasnt gas, it wasnt war heads.. we may never know what it is that keeps them there


    This:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_mentality

    In case you've ever red Orwell's 1984, you might be familiar with the concept of perpetual warfare as described in Goldstein's book: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Theory_and_Practice_of_Oligarchical_Collectivism

    Sure it's fiction, but it's probably closer to the truth than we're comfortable with.
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    Oct 19, 2010 4:03 AM GMT
    coolarmydude saidI just want to say this:

    The freedom of speech has its limits. If these leaks jeopardize the life or welfare of anyone due to exposure, especially those fighting against the enemy, then it's treason and they should be shut down. Rights end where the next person's rights begin.


    So far, they've been relatively careful to stay away from that line. Defense Secretary Gates has testified that the previous leak, although much more limited, did not endanger any lives. Not to say that might change with the next leak..
  • metta

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    Oct 23, 2010 5:58 PM GMT

    WikiLeaks Founder on the Run, Chased by Turmoil

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/24/world/24assange.html?_r=1
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    Oct 23, 2010 6:37 PM GMT
    coolarmydude saidI just want to say this:

    The freedom of speech has its limits. If these leaks jeopardize the life or welfare of anyone due to exposure, especially those fighting against the enemy, then it's treason and they should be shut down. Rights end where the next person's rights begin.


    It is preposterous that you write this in response to the release of information that unveils the extent of civilian casualties, torture and murder in Iraq. What about *their* rights? What about *their* voice?

    Shame on you. Shame on America for betraying the freedoms on which it was founded. Shame on Britain for being complicit.
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    Oct 23, 2010 7:04 PM GMT
    I'm just happy they documented everything.
    God only knows what happened before Saddam was out, or what's happening right now in North Korea.
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  • metta

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    Oct 24, 2010 6:42 AM GMT
    Wikileaks is a wake-up call for all politicians
    If this scrutiny has but one purpose, it will be to remind politicians of the continuing weight of their accountability.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/8083160/Wikileaks-is-a-wake-up-call-for-all-politicians.html

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    q1w2e3 saidI'm just happy they documented everything.
    God only knows what happened before Saddam was out, or what's happening right now in North Korea.
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    On the contrary, one of the remarkably common features of murderous regimes is their excellent record keeping. This is true of the Holocaust, and it was true of Saddam Hussein.

    His appalling record is well documented as you can read here and here and in many other places.

    As you recollect, the way in which the Iraq war has been framed by politicians has changed dramatically over time. First it was to rid Iraq of Weapons of Mass Destructions. There weren't any, and this inconvenient fact having been discovered, the framing came to be "well he was a brutal dictator and this is a service to the people of Iraq".

    The whole affair from start to finish has been sickening.
  • metta

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    Dec 08, 2010 7:43 PM GMT
    Visa & MasterCard: KKK Is A-OK, But Wikileaks Is Wicked



    http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101207/09264812164/visa-mastercard-kkk-is-a-ok-wikileaks-is-wicked.shtml
  • metta

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    Dec 08, 2010 7:46 PM GMT
    WikiLeaks: The Three Faces of Uncle Sam

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-brenner/wikileaks-the-three-faces_b_793075.html
  • metta

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    Dec 08, 2010 7:49 PM GMT
    Wikileaks

    http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2010/12/05/Wikileaks
  • Vaughn

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    Dec 08, 2010 8:18 PM GMT
    coolarmydude saidI just want to say this:

    The freedom of speech has its limits. If these leaks jeopardize the life or welfare of anyone due to exposure, especially those fighting against the enemy, then it's treason and they should be shut down. Rights end where the next person's rights begin.


    lol, Freedom of speech

    We deserve to know where our tax dollars are going. I don't want to feed the Fat Man, nor do I believe in Trinity.
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    Progress saidThere is no 'enemy' weve been then for 10 years, havent really accomplished anything and have continually been promised that a retreat is in order. There is something going on there much deeper than any civilians know, and they don't plan on letting it get out. Even the US government wouldnt squander so many billions of dollars for no reason, it wasnt gas, it wasnt war heads.. we may never know what it is that keeps them there


    This:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_mentality

    In case you've ever red Orwell's 1984, you might be familiar with the concept of perpetual warfare as described in Goldstein's book: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Theory_and_Practice_of_Oligarchical_Collectivism

    Sure it's fiction, but it's probably closer to the truth than we're comfortable with.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Read what outgoing President Eisenhower had to say about the dangers of the Military Complex and the money behind it. War is a huge business sold to the masses under the heading of "keeping us safe". I for one will be very glad to see this latest dump of information about the Iraq war, and how it relates to some no bid contracts by cheney and bush, cheney being the X CEO of Haliburton who purchased the Bush family business KBR, started by grandaddy Bush, Both of these Company's got Billions of no bid contracts from their chronirs in the White house. There are enough people in the know who were really pissed about that crooked war and the waste, that gladly are more than willing to get the truth out. BRING IT ON !!!!
  • metta

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    Dec 10, 2010 9:49 AM GMT

    WikiLeaks cables: Shell's grip on Nigerian state revealed

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/dec/08/wikileaks-cables-shell-nigeria-spying