Oct 19, 2010 8:46 PM GMT
CNNGroups representing gays and lesbians have warned against coming out to the military because the policy is still being appealed in courts.I disagree. If 1000's of gay service members come out (and get enlisted), the cost of discharging and replacing them would far exceed the cost of reinstating DADT.
wrestlervic saidIt amazes me that the military itself is defying Obama's wishes to handle this in Congress. As Chief Commander, can he put a stop to it?
Posiden saidLol okay now I'm really confused. Obama is waiting for congress but the Pentagon and the Courts are doing the complete opposite.
Caslon16000 saidBut none of this is permanent as of right now. Until this judge's ruling is countermanded the military is doing right. But anyone who joins the military as openly gay has to know that if this ruling is reversed, he is out on his ear.Can you all see what kind of judicial disaster will come if a court reverses this stay and/or rules against the unconstitutionality?
What I am hoping for is for there to be no stay and this to go on long enough to show that the ban is farcical. The military will function just fine.
Kevin324 saidthe thing that gets me is the Air Force has weird rules about allowing people who separate come back into Active Duty. I know thats just a numbers thing. I can't speak on the other branches because all my friends who left the army or the marines had no problem coming back in. So what the hell are they going to do with cutbacks, over manned jobs, and a shrinking budget( Air Force ).
Kevin324 saidI'm all for it but I don't think this is the way this should be handled. But on a positive note any progress is progress. I'm going to wait for AFI then a supplemented local OI before I bite. But when it does I'm gonna bronze that bitch and put I on my desk.
Ricovelas saidKevin324 saidI'm all for it but I don't think this is the way this should be handled. But on a positive note any progress is progress. I'm going to wait for AFI then a supplemented local OI before I bite. But when it does I'm gonna bronze that bitch and put I on my desk.
If your wise it's best to wait, because we know how bitchy some people are, especially if they are jealous of you for any reason.
GetFitRick saidTheIStrat said
Very true I believe all the men and women who openly enlisted are probably going to be briefed by their recruiter to stay in the closet as they should. The reason myself and most gays in the military would rather have AFI’s (Air Force Instructions ie military direct orders… ie military law) is to ensure the protection of openly gay members. (other branches have their kinds of “AFI’s”)
If not then who would we make our complains to? MEO? (military equal opportunity) the IG (inspector general)? the Commander? or even JAG, also factor in is the person you are making a complaint even the right chain of command or worse willing to help out at all due to personnel beliefs. Then you have the issue of “black balling” is your supervisor going to rate you lower (like a annual service report card) biased on ones sexuality?
Will he or even she (yes some bitches in the military a bigots too) make life hell? Say punish a gay troop for being late once but his/her other troop has previous occasions of showing up late yet will receive no punishment biased of the fact his/her troop can breed, I say this because favoritism exists in the military amongst themselves to date.
I cant stress how much I hate DADT but the military needs to set fourth a program and make laws protecting openly gay service members, or even outed member.If not some will wish they could get the boot due to the stress of being the "black sheep" in the shop. This will be more prevalent in maintenance or well "dumb dumb" jobs where the ignorance from the E-1 on the bottom to the O-7 at the very top can be over whelming for over a period of time.
I know you civilians (aka Humans) think Obama is dragging his feet (may be true to a cretin point) for the most part this is false, shit it takes the Air Force years to approve anything from uniform changes to when we will ever use the F-22 in combat (on record used 2x). Therefor the top brass, congress, the president along with DOD officials need to set fourth the laws I was talking about to ensure proper integration because from what I have seen the military (due to its heavy religious right command and rule) is a little behind the times and needs to play catch up.
So in conclusion I stress all gay members stay closeted until there is proper laws, regulations with proper chain of command to voice concern over misconduct, abuse of power and harassment violation (when they become violations)… But this is a step in the right direction, yet lets not trip over our feet.
Posiden saidIf Obama really plans to keep his promise and end the policy under his watch and if the ruling is appealed and Congress doesn't over turn the policy he will have to issue an executive order anyway. Which seems like an awful lot of hoop jumping just to reach the same conclusion.
Caslon16000 saidPosiden saidIf Obama really plans to keep his promise and end the policy under his watch and if the ruling is appealed and Congress doesn't over turn the policy he will have to issue an executive order anyway. Which seems like an awful lot of hoop jumping just to reach the same conclusion.
Hey, shit for brains, an executive order isn't nearly the same as a congressional appeal or strike down by the courts. Try to keep up.