Department of Defense temporarily allows openly gay enlistees

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    Oct 19, 2010 9:13 PM GMT
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/19/department-of-defense-acc_n_768532.html

    Temporarily.
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    Oct 19, 2010 9:17 PM GMT
    Well then I'll just temporarily get to shower with a bunch of hot stupid naked men from middle America....*runs to enlist*
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    Oct 19, 2010 9:25 PM GMT
    This sounds like temporarily a waste of time. They need to finalize this law before fucking with people.

    However, I am curious to know what the impact on perspectives would be if a significant amount of gays enlist.
  • DCEric

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    Oct 19, 2010 11:06 PM GMT
    Would be interesting if those in the military came out in large numbers now. Bungle up the military in red tape until they are begging Congress to end the bureaucratic nightmare. Unless of course the ruling is upheld.
  • Mepark

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    Oct 19, 2010 11:26 PM GMT
    This is great. I just don't get why gay right groups are advising gays to keep quite for now. The more they come out the more likely this policy is done for sure one way or another (courts or congress). They're not going to simply discharge thousands of people in mass during 2 wars after a slight potential pause in courts.
  • iowaguy000

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    Oct 19, 2010 11:37 PM GMT
    Wow. The Pentagon and Secretary of Defense have decided to allow recruiters to accept openly gay applicants, when just a few days ago all military operations would implode should gays be allowed to serve openly in the military. Sure sounds like the impact of the repeal, should Congress have its way, would have been a grandiose display of smoke and mirrors.


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    Oct 20, 2010 12:06 AM GMT
    Mepark saidThis is great. I just don't get why gay right groups are advising gays to keep quite for now. The more they come out the more likely this policy is done for sure one way or another (courts or congress). They're not going to simply discharge thousands of people in mass during 2 wars after a slight potential pause in courts.


    There are men and women who have invested their lives in the military. I have high school friends who have been in the Marines for years now. They rely on the military to stay employed and some intend on using the benefits they were initially promised once they are out. A couple of my buddies had their college tuition paid for after they had served their time.

    If it turns out that the policy should remain effective then those that came out are screwed. They might not be discharged immediately, I would think it'll be done in phases, but it will ultimately happen. They'll have to come back to civilian life and think "shit, what now?".

    Sure, it'll help gay rights if they came out, but these individual will be individually screwed if DADT stays.

    There is uncertainty on the outcome of this policy. I wouldn't put too much reliance on the courts and administration to do what appears to be rationale. I've been following this issue and it seems to flip flop more than a hot cheap versatile whore.
  • DCEric

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    Oct 20, 2010 2:33 AM GMT
    AvadaKedavra said
    There is uncertainty on the outcome of this policy. I wouldn't put too much reliance on the courts and administration to do what appears to be rationale. I've been following this issue and it seems to flip flop more than a hot cheap versatile whore.


    I know how government works, not the military, but government. This is what happens if DADT comes back into effect, if significant numbers of troops come out:

    1) Pentagon: ZOMG PUBLIC RELATIONS NIGHTMARE!!!! SAVE US!!!!!
    2) ok, now exactly what do we have to do?
    3) Pentagon: ZOMG TOO MUCH WORK, WE NEED MORE MONEY!!!!!
    4) Congress, we need more money to enforce an unpopular program.
    5) Congress: ZOMG WE ARE GOING TO GET A BAD REP FROM THIS!!!!
    6) Bill to allocate money passes anyway.
    7) Pentagon: ZOMG MUST PUT OUT CONTRACT PROPOSAL!!!!
    icon_cool.gif Blockhead Martin/ Northrop Grubbin wins contract
    9) Contractor: ZOMG COST OVER RUNS!!!!!!
    10) Americans: ZOMG THROW THE BUMS OUT!!!! MONEY WASTED!!!!
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    Oct 20, 2010 2:49 AM GMT
    This seems off. Nothing happens that fast in the military. There are policies that have to be rewritten, signed off, go through legal channels, and then forced into the system. This sounds like an incident where lots of people are going to get hurt in the crossfire.
  • CarbGoggles

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    Oct 20, 2010 3:18 AM GMT
    I'm in the Active Duty AF. Nothing is going to change even if DADT goes away. All you civilians will be able to sleep safe at night w/ your welfare, weed, and guns. The strongest military in the world is not going to fall apart just because it's ok to be a nelly and serve your country.

    Just because you enlist doesn't mean you are in the club. The military especially the Air Force is a constant process of filtering out those who do not meet the standards. There are academic requirements, physical requirements, medical requirements, administrative requirements... It's not a cake walk once you are in. You could always get sent into combat and not come back... Hopefully people think about that before they try to join to make a statement. If you want to make a statement, go vote.
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    Oct 20, 2010 3:30 AM GMT
    CarbGoggles saidI'm in the Active Duty AF. Nothing is going to change even if DADT goes away. All you civilians will be able to sleep safe at night w/ your welfare, weed, and guns. The strongest military in the world is not going to fall apart just because it's ok to be a nelly and serve your country.

    Just because you enlist doesn't mean you are in the club. The military especially the Air Force is a constant process of filtering out those who do not meet the standards. There are academic requirements, physical requirements, medical requirements, administrative requirements... It's not a cake walk once you are in. You could always get sent into combat and not come back... Hopefully people think about that before they try to join to make a statement. If you want to make a statement, go vote.


    I made the comment to our NCOIC that the new fitness program put into place this summer is aiding in weeding out some dead weight from the Air Force. I then told him if the stereotypes about guy gays are true fitness along with dress and appearance would no longer be an issue if Don't Ask Don't Tell is eliminated...He didn't laugh.
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    Oct 20, 2010 3:31 AM GMT
    CarbGoggles saidI'm in the Active Duty AF. Nothing is going to change even if DADT goes away. All you civilians will be able to sleep safe at night w/ your welfare, weed, and guns. The strongest military in the world is not going to fall apart just because it's ok to be a nelly and serve your country.

    Just because you enlist doesn't mean you are in the club. The military especially the Air Force is a constant process of filtering out those who do not meet the standards. There are academic requirements, physical requirements, medical requirements, administrative requirements... It's not a cake walk once you are in. You could always get sent into combat and not come back... Hopefully people think about that before they try to join to make a statement. If you want to make a statement, go vote.

    Was there a suggestion somewhere that gays would suddenly enlist to make a statement?
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    Oct 20, 2010 5:20 AM GMT
    Kevin324 saidThis seems off. Nothing happens that fast in the military. There are policies that have to be rewritten, signed off, go through legal channels, and then forced into the system. This sounds like an incident where lots of people are going to get hurt in the crossfire.


    Well as much as people hate America's system, our military never questions the branches of government. So if the judiciary is like this shit is over, the military has to follow it, as they are doing now despite claiming to not be prepared. I also have a strong feeling the ruling will not be overturned, frankly, now that the military has started enlisting gay soldiers the ninth circuit will find it counter productive to strike down a ruling that is clearly constitutional. Meaning it would have to be appealed to the Supreme Court, and by that point no Armageddon would have happened because of gays in the military and the Obama administration will be able to hold appeal, and let the decision, and end of DADT stick.
  • CarbGoggles

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    Oct 20, 2010 4:38 PM GMT
    Kevin324 said
    CarbGoggles saidI'm in the Active Duty AF. Nothing is going to change even if DADT goes away. All you civilians will be able to sleep safe at night w/ your welfare, weed, and guns. The strongest military in the world is not going to fall apart just because it's ok to be a nelly and serve your country.

    Just because you enlist doesn't mean you are in the club. The military especially the Air Force is a constant process of filtering out those who do not meet the standards. There are academic requirements, physical requirements, medical requirements, administrative requirements... It's not a cake walk once you are in. You could always get sent into combat and not come back... Hopefully people think about that before they try to join to make a statement. If you want to make a statement, go vote.


    I made the comment to our NCOIC that the new fitness program put into place this summer is aiding in weeding out some dead weight from the Air Force. I then told him if the stereotypes about guy gays are true fitness along with dress and appearance would no longer be an issue if Don't Ask Don't Tell is eliminated...He didn't laugh.

    Lol are dress/ appearance and fitness issues for your NCOIC?
  • CarbGoggles

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    Oct 20, 2010 4:41 PM GMT
    1969er said
    CarbGoggles saidI'm in the Active Duty AF. Nothing is going to change even if DADT goes away. All you civilians will be able to sleep safe at night w/ your welfare, weed, and guns. The strongest military in the world is not going to fall apart just because it's ok to be a nelly and serve your country.

    Just because you enlist doesn't mean you are in the club. The military especially the Air Force is a constant process of filtering out those who do not meet the standards. There are academic requirements, physical requirements, medical requirements, administrative requirements... It's not a cake walk once you are in. You could always get sent into combat and not come back... Hopefully people think about that before they try to join to make a statement. If you want to make a statement, go vote.

    Was there a suggestion somewhere that gays would suddenly enlist to make a statement?


    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1193194
    If people chose not to serve their country simply because of DADT then I hope they are not choosing to serve now. I think the DOD is better off w/o them. The Air Force has 3 core values. Integrity first, service before self and excellence in all we do. Choosing not to serve because of DADT is not putting service before self. You can serve your country w/ honor from inside the closet. I know I'm not the only one in this situation.