Five good reasons to go on HRT

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    Mar 07, 2008 6:31 AM GMT
    Although the following CNN Health article is geared at the female population, it's exciting that the truth continues to come out through reputable sources regarding HRT.

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/conditions/03/06/ep.hormone.therapy/index.html
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    Mar 07, 2008 6:06 PM GMT
    http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/library/MC/00030.html

    Cut and copy this article about Hormone therapy for MEN from the EXACT SAME SOURCE.. CNN.com

    First off I want to say I am not demonizing anyone on steroids or synthetic growth hormones. To each his own. Just because some people benefit, doesn't mean you will have the same results. I am happy for anyone who has found something that makes them happy and feel better.
    Regardless of your age, your body has the ability to create HGH naturally. It takes a lot of work at the gym, but it is possible , free and completely healthy. (www.naturalnews.com for alternatives to synthetic)

    Back to CNN.COM
    They basically say the results are conflicted at best..
    While it certainly benefits those with decreased testosterone levels or hypergonadism , they haven't studied it long enough to be certain of the consequences.
    It is a use at your own risk deal, much like what happened with Women's hormone therapy.
    There is no miracle treatment for everyone and the suggestion that everyone over a certain age should be on it is ridiculous.

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    Mar 07, 2008 6:11 PM GMT
    That's nice. I don't feel I need hormones to aid me. I'd rather struggle against my limitaions and live with the fact that I don't have the same hormone production as some big, sometimes too big to be happy, weightlifters and bodybuilders. I wonder if hormones are going to have any adverse affects on the children of the people used them before conceiving the child?
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    Mar 07, 2008 6:29 PM GMT
    That is the scary part.
    Nobody knows for sure because they haven't been studying it long enough..
    That's why I have issues with people on here, who aren't doctors, getting on a pulpit singing the praises and suggesting that guys under 30 try it. It obviously works for some, but it is irresponsible to claim it as a miracle when there isn't one study to prove that extended use is beneficial and without serious risk. Chucky is a guinea pig and even he can't predict what will happen to his body in the future because he can't possibly know.

    I have learned that it is dangerous to discuss many things on here that you can't guarantee. ie. religion, steroids, HGH, vegetarianism, monogamy etc. I just get tired of being called misinformed because I don't have the same opinion as others on here. We all have different experiences ,goals and priorities.
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    Mar 07, 2008 6:39 PM GMT
    Here's a little tidbit that may actually play into the testosterone increase/decrease after workout thing.

    Men who feel they have "won" have a testosterone spike. Men who feel they have "lost" have a testosterone dip.

    Actual winning or accomplishment has no effect, simply the belief. So, it could very well be that the more you feel, "That was an awesome workout, damn I'm awesome, I rock!" at the end of a workout, the more testosterone you produce (and thus the more gains you're likely to make) and the more you think, "Damn I'm so far from where I want to be, fuck I suck." the less you'll make testosterone and the more you'll inhibit your progress.



    Hormones and bodies are strange and complicated things, even for us biologists. icon_idea.gificon_question.gificon_idea.gif
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    Mar 07, 2008 7:52 PM GMT
    "We just can't predict all the potential harmful effects of taking hormones even though on the surface they may seem beneficial."

    Todd Nippoldt, M.D.
    Mayo Clinic Rochester

    Potential benefits

    Improve muscle mass and strength
    Increase bone mineral density
    Thicken body hair and skin
    Improve sexual desire
    Boost energy
    Decrease irritability and depression
    Improve cognitive function

    Potential risks
    Cause skin reactions
    Cause fluid retention
    Cause baldness
    Cause or aggravate sleep apnea (brief, repeated cessation of breathing during sleep)
    Stimulate noncancerous (benign) growth of the prostate and cause or worsen urinary symptoms
    Stimulate growth of prostate cancer that's already present
    Enlarge breasts (gynecomastia)
    Stimulate growth of breast cancer that's already present
    Cause testicle shrinkage (testicular atrophy)
    Limit sperm production (infertility)
    Stimulate excess blood production (polycythemia)
    Cause acne

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    Mar 07, 2008 8:28 PM GMT
    It wouldnt be so bad if a study was actually posted up but the very fact that these arguments continue to centre on magazine and newspaper articles etc that only portray partial facts.

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    Mar 07, 2008 8:37 PM GMT
    bfg1 saidIt wouldnt be so bad if a study was actually posted up but the very fact that these arguments continue to centre on magazine and newspaper articles etc that only portray partial facts.



    That is mostly what they have.. partial facts. How can you be certain of the end result when they haven't been studying it that long?
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    Mar 07, 2008 8:39 PM GMT
    I agree with you

    Posting up crap like this is neither informative nor helpfull and is as sensationalistic as headlines like "soy makes you grow breasts" "eggs are bad for you again" and every other piece of tripe they churn out in the press and on Mens Health
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    Mar 07, 2008 8:43 PM GMT
    bfg1 saidI agree with you

    Posting up crap like this is neither informative nor helpfull and is as sensationalistic as headlines like "soy makes you grow breasts" "eggs are bad for you again" and every other piece of tripe they churn out in the press and on Mens Health


    I would think a doctors position would be very helpful.
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    Mar 07, 2008 8:47 PM GMT
    Yuo wont get a doctors opinion on here as its too much of a litigous area but at least some peer reviewed studies which show clear controls rather than just heresay and paraphrasing out of context.

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    Mar 07, 2008 8:47 PM GMT
    It's extremely exciting that research is finally getting off of its behind and admitting what bodybuilders and advanced athletes have known for years.

    Modern sports is more often than not several decades ahead of the misinformation floated around.

    It's always cool to see them catching up.
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    Mar 07, 2008 8:51 PM GMT
    bfg1 saidI agree with you

    Posting up crap like this is neither informative nor helpfull and is as sensationalistic as headlines like "soy makes you grow breasts" "eggs are bad for you again" and every other piece of tripe they churn out in the press and on Mens Health


    I have to agree. It's like this one "MikePhil is mentally ill" I mean where are the studies to prove this?????

    It's just sensationalistic (geeeeez I cant even pronounce that word, LOL) crap.

    Ok, back to my cell.
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    Mar 07, 2008 8:51 PM GMT
    bfg1 saidYuo wont get a doctors opinion on here as its too much of a litigous area but at least some peer reviewed studies which show clear controls rather than just heresay and paraphrasing out of context.



    Both articles quote doctors..

    The pros and cons list is from the Mayo Clinic.
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    Mar 07, 2008 8:51 PM GMT
    Is that why Russian athletes have been taking Bulgarian Tribulus orally for the past 2 decades or more only to have modern science prove that this "modern" sport technique was a huge pile of misinformed garbage
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    Mar 07, 2008 8:56 PM GMT
    chuckystud saidIt's extremely exciting that research is finally getting off of its behind and admitting what bodybuilders and advanced athletes have known for years.

    .


    I am interested in what you "know" for sure about prolonged use of steroids and synthetic HGH?

    What happens after 40 or 50+ years of taking them?
    Does anyone know for sure?

    I am interested to know, as I have no idea.
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    Mar 07, 2008 8:57 PM GMT
    Oh I dunno lets just wait and see when the next Flo Jo drops dead or any of the other list of recent "unexplained deaths
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    Mar 07, 2008 8:58 PM GMT
    mnjock2003 said[quote][cite]bfg1 said[/cite]Yuo wont get a doctors opinion on here as its too much of a litigous area but at least some peer reviewed studies which show clear controls rather than just heresay and paraphrasing out of context.



    Both articles quote doctors..

    The pros and cons list is from the Mayo Clinic.[/quote]

    yeh saw that I meant on a public forum ie get them posting
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    Mar 07, 2008 9:24 PM GMT
    Bodybuilders have been the field test for AAS for 40 years.

    When all the hype is set aside, the truth comes out.

    Interesting stuff.

    Certainly, estrogen has been studied much more, because it doesn't have the taboos of testosterone but, nonentheless, HRT, and it's many benefits are good news.

    It makes a lot more sense to keep people healthy, rather than treating their illness after the fact. I think everyone can agree on that. (I know all my doctors do.)

    Time will tell.
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    Mar 07, 2008 9:39 PM GMT
    I definitely agree with the philosophy of promoting good health to avoid illness but what you are proposing is what got so many women in trouble in the first place and resulted in a catastophic rise in breast cancer etc

    Short term simple studies led them to believe it was a panacea for all and the consequences? Blanket prescription to all.

    I think you can agree that what you are proposing is no different in any way shape or form?
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    Mar 07, 2008 11:20 PM GMT
    chuckystud said
    It makes a lot more sense to keep people healthy, rather than treating their illness after the fact. I think everyone can agree on that. (I know all my doctors do.)

    Time will tell.


    I agree with you there.
    However, most of the bodybuilders who use this aren't actually suffering from a shortage of testosterone. The health benefits are secondary to the gains made by juicing just to increase stamina and size. There is a big difference between starting this at 45 and starting this at 25.
    Most studies are based on users who actually have some sort of testosterone deficiency, not healthy athletes.
    If we are going to have the conversation about health and hormones, you need to be honest about why you are recommending this to guys under 30 with no symptoms of hypergonadism or micro dick.. especially when there are more natural ways to stimulate your own HGH levels through exercise..
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    Mar 08, 2008 5:57 PM GMT
    mnjock2003 said

    Regardless of your age, your body has the ability to create HGH naturally. It takes a lot of work at the gym, but it is possible , free and completely healthy. (www.naturalnews.com for alternatives to synthetic)


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