Boy Scouts tell gay leader to take a hike

  • metta

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    Oct 20, 2010 9:58 PM GMT
    Boy Scouts tell gay leader to take a hike

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/10/19/texas.scouts.gay.dad/index.html?iref=obnetwork
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    Oct 20, 2010 10:00 PM GMT
    That's usually what scouts do, they hike.



    But honestly, would you want Big Gay Al leading your troop of boys?



    hahahah
  • roadbikeRob

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    Oct 20, 2010 10:05 PM GMT
    This latest anti-gay episode is just another reason not to donate anything to the Boy Scouts.
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    Oct 22, 2010 2:16 PM GMT
    I am a completed Eagle Scout. You sir, do not have any idea of the value of scouting or of the ignorance of your statement.
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    Oct 22, 2010 2:25 PM GMT
    Sylas saidThat's usually what scouts do, they hike.



    But honestly, would you want Big Gay Al leading your troop of boys?



    hahahah


    Because gay men are, by default, prancing fairies incapable of even the slightest hardship, despite the existence of this site and most of it's members.


    Riiiiight. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Oct 22, 2010 2:28 PM GMT
    I'm gonna guess that this is kind of like the Catholic Church and the US Military where the leadership has said you can't be gay and out, but that whether it gets enforced on the ground depends largely on local mindset.

    The BSA excluding gay people is not news, it's been the case as long as I can remember. But I also know a number of gay men who have either gone all the way through the program or serve as leaders and nobody says anything. Now I have no idea how out they are, and I expect if one parent complained the same kind of thing would have happened to them.

    One could argue about whether being in the closet just to avoid detection is really healthy or in keeping with the principles of the organization, but I think that's a personal decision. For myself I would say it is not worth it. I left the Catholic Church for that reason and wouldn't want anything to do with a group that has policies like this, nor would I give them any money.
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    Oct 22, 2010 3:07 PM GMT
    For all practical purposes the Scouts are run by a bunch of Mormons, and are given special privilege by the government. They ACTIVELY engage in hate towards folks who are LBGT, and, I've gone so far as to engage them on in email discussions.

    Now, they can have their private club, but, they can't have their private club and get special government privileges and use public funds if they are going to be the hateful bigots with false belief systems that they ARE. In the case of the BSA, they get just that: special accommodations by the government and public funds, and that's wrong.

    Folks need to stand up to the false belief systems and say I want nothing to do with your malarkey and I will not support you in any way, including with my tax dollar.

    Organizations like the BSA actively use their platform to promote hate and intolerance.
  • Sk8Tex

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    Oct 22, 2010 3:22 PM GMT
    Sylas saidI am a completed Eagle Scout. You sir, do not have any idea of the value of scouting or of the ignorance of your statement.


    And you have no standing in your own organization because they will throw you out like garbage when (or if) they truly know who you are...

    So is it better to be a hypocrite or to be ignorant?

    Supporting an organization that openly promotes discrimination does absolutely no service to the future of anything, much less a country of impressionable youths.
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    Oct 22, 2010 3:27 PM GMT
    The scouts, as Chuckie said, is now a Mormon org. To allow children to participate is child abuse. The mormon lifestyle, and hence, the boyscout lifestyle are abominations before god almighty and they shall all perish by the sword and burn in an eternal lake of fire, unless Xenu rescues them first.
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    Oct 22, 2010 3:27 PM GMT
    chuckystud saidFor all practical purposes the Scouts are run by a bunch of Mormons, and are given special privilege by the government. They ACTIVELY engage in hate towards folks who are LBGT, and, I've gone so far as to engage them on in email discussions.

    Now, they can have their private club, but, they can't have their private club and get special government privileges and use public funds if they are going to be the hateful bigots with false belief systems that they ARE. In the case of the BSA, they get just that: special accommodations by the government and public funds, and that's wrong.

    Folks need to stand up to the false belief systems and say I want nothing to do with your malarkey and I will not support you in any way, including with my tax dollar.

    Organizations like the BSA actively use their platform to promote hate and intolerance.


    Mormons aren't welcome in the Scouts either Chucky (which to me is hilarious and poetic)

    "This week alone, the nonprofit organization has been criticized for removing a father from leadership in Texas because he is gay and rejecting a couple's application for leadership in North Carolina because they are Mormons.

    I couldn't help but chuckle after reading the two headlines. The Mormon church has spent millions to support measures that discriminate against gay people in the name of God -- and here is a Mormon couple being booted out of a thinly veiled Christian organization accusing them of having a different god. I would call it karma, but that would only introduce a third god and I think the conversation is confusing enough."

    Source: http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/10/22/granderson.gay.scout.leader/

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    Oct 22, 2010 3:29 PM GMT
    Sylas saidI am a completed Eagle Scout. You sir, do not have any idea of the value of scouting or of the ignorance of your statement.


    You forget how soon they'd throw you out and treat you like trash if the knew you were a fag. What kind of value is THAT? It's completely the wrong message for young people: folks that are gay are substandard, and not worthy, and if they want to be part of us they have to lie and sneak around, and not have virtue, nor integrity.

    The fact that you'd defend their practice shows just how warped you've become, immersed in the false beliefs that are part and parcel of the organization: God Is Real, Fags are Bad.

    You're now PART of the problem. If you were a true leader, you'd man up, like Dan Choi, and expose them for the bigots that they are.

    Folks like you are why the bullying continues, and why kids kill themselves, because guys like you don't stand up and do the right thing.

    You should be ashamed of yourself. You're no leader. You're a coward. You don't have integrity 1. You're a lie.
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    Oct 22, 2010 3:30 PM GMT
    It's a private organization, they can let in and bar whom they please, as they should be allowed to. Dude has no real basis to argue. He just sounds whiny.
    Why would he want to join an organization like this? (Join campfire boys and girls or something instead.)
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    Oct 22, 2010 3:33 PM GMT
    Yes, they're a private organization but they were created by government charter, are able to use public schools, and public lands, at little to no charge.

    No one disputes the right of the KKK nor the BSA to have certain membership criteria, but, the BSA should not be publicly funded AND have their hate agenda.

    They are a publicly funded, pseudo government organization, created by congressional charter that is openly discriminatory on religion (a violation of the First Amendment), and actively engage in hate based upon sexual preference, and to a lesser degree, ethnicity.
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    Oct 22, 2010 3:37 PM GMT
    neosyllogy saidIt's a private organization, they can let in and bar whom they please, as they should be allowed to. Dude has no real basis to argue. He just sounds whiny.
    Why would he want to join an organization like this? (Join campfire boys and girls or something instead.)
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    I agree. Hell, even the Girl's Scouts, technically, don't 'ban' lesbians from serving in leadership positions. The CampFire Boys and Girls and The 4-H Clubs are open to all regardless of who you are! I doubt that many in the Boy Scouts would like CampFire because they are a non-secretarian organization. Bravo CampFire!

    http://www.campfireusa.org/

    Thanks for the info chuckystud. They are active in many churches, including the church my parents attend and have been for many years.
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    Oct 22, 2010 3:39 PM GMT
    I would encourage young men to join the Radical Faeries before joining BSA.
  • LJay

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    Oct 22, 2010 3:48 PM GMT
    "...private organizations like the Boy Scouts can set their own membership standards.

    And private individuals, like gay fathers, can set their own organizational standards.



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    Oct 23, 2010 4:54 AM GMT
    The Boy Scouts of America Equal Access Act, enacted in 2002, requires public elementary and secondary schools that receive U.S. Department of Education funding to provide BSA groups equal access to school facilities. The Support our Scouts Act of 2005 requires state and local governments that receive HUD funding to provide BSA groups equal access to governmental forums (lands, facilities, etc.). State and local governments still have flexibility regarding the provision of special access to the BSA.

    I.e., the BSA is officially given preferential treatment to government facilities although it is highly discriminatory. That is, their abuse is sanctioned at the federal level.

    For those of you who think the BSA is private (it's really not), read more, here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_Scouts_of_America_membership_controversies
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    Oct 23, 2010 5:00 AM GMT
    I'm an Eagle Scout and as yeah it sucks that they discriminate this way but they are a private organization. The fact is, in America most parents would not want their children to be guided by a homosexual man. Sooner people realize it the better, the mentality will slowly change but will not happen over night. The BSA will continue to discriminate this way to keep any child they can because they are losing alot of money to other organizations.
    Yes it sucks but society will eventually change.
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    Oct 23, 2010 5:18 AM GMT
    neosyllogy saidIt's a private organization, they can let in and bar whom they please, as they should be allowed to. Dude has no real basis to argue. He just sounds whiny.
    Why would he want to join an organization like this? (Join campfire boys and girls or something instead.)
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    If you work for a company then the company you work for is probably a private organisation and they aren't allowed to discriminate against their employees or customers on the basis of sexuality... the difference here is that public funds are being used to support Scouts and as a result they have even more obligation to the public...

    EDIT. PS. the whole BS about freedom of association is laughable.
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    Oct 25, 2010 4:39 PM GMT
    ChuckyStud, you are by a long margin, one of the most "far out" people on this site; with your opinions, which are almost always unorthodox..some of which border on sheer idiocy. I've read and followed your comments.
    You are telling me to "man up"? What do you know about it? You have no idea what a man is. I'll tell you that. It's more than being an arrogant opinionated asshole......who happens to have a large amount of non-functional, useless muscle mass.


    Here's a tip. Lay off the red meat. Replace your kidneys from all the protein damage they have sustained, read something more intelligent than the latest issue of muscle and fitness...and do something good and athletic for yourself, for once. Pick up a basketball or something, run a lap, or two if you can manage..

    Come contact me when you find out what it means to be a man.





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    Oct 25, 2010 4:41 PM GMT
    I am an eagle scout, and while I don't agree the boyscouts are a private organization where it makes a lot of sense not to allow gay adult leaders to participate. People can argue all they want but it's BSA's right.
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    Oct 25, 2010 4:49 PM GMT
    Progress saidI am an eagle scout, and while I don't agree the boyscouts are a private organization where it makes a lot of sense not to allow gay adult leaders to participate. People can argue all they want but it's BSA's right.


    South Park had a pretty good episode on the subject. Leave it to them to find the middle ground on a subject...

    I'm also an Eagle Scout, and I get the idea that private organizations need to be able to decide who can be in, and who can't be. What annoys me is that the President is titularly the head of the Scouting community in the US.

    Also, after I had attained my Eagle Rank I was asked to go back to my Troop and help (they needed volunteers). A few friends in the Scouting organization pulled me aside and warned me that if I did go back officially as an Eagle Scout, they could strip my rank from me and take back the Eagle Scout rank I had earned. They got me in as an "outdoors consultant". icon_rolleyes.gif

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    Oct 25, 2010 4:50 PM GMT
    I used to be a scout as a little kid, somewhere in the 90s, and we had a gay scout leader (it came up once, because he took his partner to the annual charity dinner and introduced him as such). Nobody ever raised an eyebrow about it. And I've never seen anyone climb a rope as fast as that guy, btw.

    But that was in Holland....
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    Oct 25, 2010 5:05 PM GMT
    Sorry for getting heated, to everyone else. I just can't stand hearing the scouts be bashed. It meant alot to me growing up, even though it is not perfect...nothing hardly is, you know - but it had many good qualities that continue to help me today.
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    Oct 25, 2010 5:07 PM GMT
    Animus saidBecause gay men are, by default, prancing fairies incapable of even the slightest hardship, despite the existence of this site and most of it's members.

    Riiiiight. icon_rolleyes.gif

    That must explain why I was able to spend 25 years in the US Army, going from buck Private to Colonel, something almost no one ever does. Why I was camping in the woods with nothing more than a blanket, much less a tent, from the time I was 8 years old. Why I've ridden motorcycles for over 40 years, from East Coast to West, and from the Mexican border to the Canadian (and beyond).

    Yeah, I prance a lot. Just watch out I don't prance all over some of these straight guys, including homophobic Boy Scout leaders. Who couldn't do a fraction of the things I have, despite all their merit badges. icon_razz.gif