Bears, Cubs and Twinks oh my

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    Oct 22, 2010 1:40 AM GMT
    where did these names come from? Why do they exist? i honestly think its kind of silly. Not sure what category id fall into but really.. why dont straight guys have names for themselves? icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Oct 22, 2010 1:43 AM GMT
    RuggedRanger15 said.. why dont straight guys have names for themselves? icon_rolleyes.gif
    They do, but those names are usually given by girlfriends...like pooky, pencildick, hunnybun, sugarbutt, ballsnack, etc.
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    Oct 22, 2010 2:46 AM GMT
    paulflexes said
    RuggedRanger15 said.. why dont straight guys have names for themselves? icon_rolleyes.gif
    They do, but those names are usually given by girlfriends...like pooky, pencildick, hunnybun, sugarbutt, ballsnack, etc.


    lol icon_lol.gif
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    Oct 22, 2010 3:05 AM GMT
    well u have blockhead, built like brick shithouse, pencil neck, twiggy, stick up ass. those are more the names str8 guys give each other lol.
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    Oct 22, 2010 3:56 AM GMT
    Jonno11 saidwell u have blockhead, built like brick shithouse, pencil neck, twiggy, stick up ass. those are more the names str8 guys give each other lol.
    And my personal favorite: "Sexy."
    I've had lots of friends (both attractive and not) who refer to each other with that name, because str8 guys love to flirt.
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    Oct 22, 2010 4:28 AM GMT
    as a society we feel compelled to categorize and label people and groups. Gays are even more so compelled to do this because of our desire to have an identity within the gay community.
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    Oct 22, 2010 4:37 AM GMT
    don't think straight do.
    that would be just too gay .. aho.
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    Oct 22, 2010 4:40 AM GMT
    LaurenceJames saidas a society we feel compelled to categorize and label people and groups. Gays are even more so compelled to do this because of our desire to have an identity within the gay community.


    That makes absolutely no sense, you're basically saying that people in a smaller group have a bigger desire for labels than the people in the larger group do. The math doesn't add up.
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    Oct 22, 2010 5:10 AM GMT
    gay people want to feel like they belong somewhere. hence a label for everything, and for everything a label. weak stuff really.
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    Oct 22, 2010 5:22 AM GMT
    Tazo995 said
    LaurenceJames saidas a society we feel compelled to categorize and label people and groups. Gays are even more so compelled to do this because of our desire to have an identity within the gay community.


    That makes absolutely no sense, you're basically saying that people in a smaller group have a bigger desire for labels than the people in the larger group do. The math doesn't add up.


    Not really sure about pulling math into it but I remember a sociological theory for it. Basically the theory was that people within minority (including but not limited to racial) subgroups cling to characteristics in order to establish themselves in a hierarchical standing thus limiting the blow of being part of a minority. Sort of like saying "I may be this but at least I'm not that."

    As for the labels, don't know really. Though I remember watching a documentary on bears and one of the guys interviewed seemed almost relieved to have a label for what he was into. Another was talking about having a feeling of comradery because of the label.
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    Oct 22, 2010 5:26 AM GMT
    Dahas saidAs for the labels, don't know really. Though I remember watching a documentary on bears and one of the guys interviewed seemed almost relieved to have a label for what he was into. Another was talking about having a feeling of comradery because of the label.
    I used to know and hang out with some of these guys: http://www.tampabaybears.com/
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    Oct 22, 2010 7:59 PM GMT
    Dahas said
    Tazo995 said
    LaurenceJames saidas a society we feel compelled to categorize and label people and groups. Gays are even more so compelled to do this because of our desire to have an identity within the gay community.


    That makes absolutely no sense, you're basically saying that people in a smaller group have a bigger desire for labels than the people in the larger group do. The math doesn't add up.


    Not really sure about pulling math into it but I remember a sociological theory for it. Basically the theory was that people within minority (including but not limited to racial) subgroups cling to characteristics in order to establish themselves in a hierarchical standing thus limiting the blow of being part of a minority. Sort of like saying "I may be this but at least I'm not that."

    As for the labels, don't know really. Though I remember watching a documentary on bears and one of the guys interviewed seemed almost relieved to have a label for what he was into. Another was talking about having a feeling of comradery because of the label.


    I'm glad you understood what I was talking about.
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    Oct 22, 2010 8:21 PM GMT
    I blame this:
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    Oct 22, 2010 8:34 PM GMT
    LaurenceJames said
    Dahas said
    Tazo995 said
    LaurenceJames saidas a society we feel compelled to categorize and label people and groups. Gays are even more so compelled to do this because of our desire to have an identity within the gay community.


    That makes absolutely no sense, you're basically saying that people in a smaller group have a bigger desire for labels than the people in the larger group do. The math doesn't add up.


    Not really sure about pulling math into it but I remember a sociological theory for it. Basically the theory was that people within minority (including but not limited to racial) subgroups cling to characteristics in order to establish themselves in a hierarchical standing thus limiting the blow of being part of a minority. Sort of like saying "I may be this but at least I'm not that."

    As for the labels, don't know really. Though I remember watching a documentary on bears and one of the guys interviewed seemed almost relieved to have a label for what he was into. Another was talking about having a feeling of comradery because of the label.


    I'm glad you understood what I was talking about.


    Nice comeback, like you thought of that when you were typing that.

    No, you were talking about something else... or were you... yea that's it, you were just trying to establish your position in the aforementioned hierarchy. Self loathe much?
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    Oct 22, 2010 10:35 PM GMT
    they are groups that share a common trait so that they can identify themselves.

    sevencloudpeople want to feel like they belong somewhere. hence a label for everything, and for everything a label. weak stuff really..


    if you are looking for big, burly gay men but you can't call them anything because you don't want to be 'labeling,' then what do you say when you try to express the kinds of guys you are after? you need a name in order to state what it is you are talking about. it also allows them to form groups, so that when someone wants to meet a 'bear,' they don't have to weed through a whole gay bar to find maybe one guy that fits that criteria, they can go to a bear bar full of men that are exactly what they want.

    the same is true of all 'labels,' so i don't understand the hate on for them. i call them words, and the language would be pretty difficult without them. could you picture trying to talk about gay ppl without being able to use the 'label': gay? every time you wanted to refer to them in a sentence, you would have to say, "men who occasionally/predominantly/only have sex with other men." and then picture if you wanted to include all of GLBT? you would spend so long describing who you're referring to that ppl would forget what you were talking about.

    straight guys call themselves jocks, nerds, flakes, man whores, gym rats, drama queens, stoners, janitors, engineers, etc... whatever name applies to what group they are trying to describe.

    you don't have to fall into any category.. they are all relative anyways. a very tall person might label you as short but someone else might think of you as tall icon_razz.gif
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    Oct 22, 2010 10:51 PM GMT
    I don't like them. I think they are divisive and somewhat disparaging.
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    Oct 23, 2010 12:55 AM GMT
    mkubwathe same is true of all 'labels,' so i don't understand the hate on for them. i call them words, and the language would be pretty difficult without them. could you picture trying to talk about gay ppl without being able to use the 'label': gay?


    It really doesn't matter since this is the internet but in real life people can find labels offensive. Crazy I know right?

    labels are also used on items such as tampons and diapers which people don't like being equated to. Don't get me wrong I LOVE objectifying people but sadly the dark side of labels is that some people don't want to be associated with them.

    Walk up to one person and they may not care or even be tickled that you called them a *insert label here* but call another person that and they may punch you in the face.

    Words have done a lot of amazing things recently, especially when it comes to labeling, like this: http://www.fox59.com/news/wxin-greensburg-student-suicide-091310,0,1101685.story YAY! Words are just words and they are AWESOME!


    Be really honestly, I've lived with labels all my life many of which I've become fed up with, I do hate on them. Like whoa. Look at my pictures and you can imagine all the wonderful (deliciously racist!) labels I've gotten over the years.

    So yes, a bear's a bear, a cub's a cub, and they may be endearing to some and whimsically thematic to others but some people don't like them and some people don't feel like they are them or even better people should get them out of their heads because they lead to ignorance.

    For instance, I'm a chink(label! woo woo!). But does that make me a bad person? well only in the eyes of the racist that just labeled me! yay!

    I'm not trying to be mean for the record, this isn't aimed at anyone, I'm just having some girlish fun for the evening. I don't date labels any more. I used to. I dated bears and cubs and otters but then i decided that I wanted to be single and more importantly that i needed to get over that ("but that doesn't change the fact that you like guys that could be called that" no, it doesn't, I'm just not going to call them that or just close my world off because someone isn't a bear, cub, forest mammal) . Hopefully someday I can date a nice person with has a good heart and a nice ass for eating out and plowing, sans label.

    P.S: I like to call straight guys "mistake" and then assign a number afterward.

    P.P.S: Straight guys do have names for each other, they're just not sexually categorized since they you know, like women. mostly.

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    Oct 23, 2010 1:10 AM GMT
    dustin_K_tx saidI blame this:
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    LMFAO!!!
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    Oct 24, 2010 4:28 AM GMT
    sevencloudlabels are also used on items such as tampons and diapers which people don't like being equated to.


    okay, but if someone is calling you something like that, they are clearly trying to insult you. label or not, if that is their goal, they will find a way to do it. i was more talking about how they are necessary for language...

    that story is devastating. those kids said things to him like 'you don't deserve to live' and 'go kill yourself.' those are not labels or categories or anything. those are the result of hate that won't go away by dissuading labels.

    those kinds of stories don't make me want to shy away from labeling myself, though. stories like that make me want to make it damn clear that i /am/ gay and those bullies should come and say that stuff to me instead of some poor 15 year old boy. but there are ppl in the gay community that don't even want to label themselves as gay, and that upsets me a lot. they say, 'im just a person, i dont need to label myself.' but then how do you stand up for poor boys like billy if you can't even stand up and call yourself gay? who's billy supposed to look up to?

    sevencloudSo yes, a bear's a bear, a cub's a cub, and they may be endearing to some and whimsically thematic to others but some people don't like them and some people don't feel like they are them or even better people should get them out of their heads because they lead to ignorance.


    well i guess those ppl that do like to call themselves bears should just forget it because someone else got their feelings hurt. there will always be ppl in life that have hate for other ppl, there will always be name calling and teasing, but it's also pretty hateful to think that proud bears should "get (the label) out of their head." because some ppl don't like it.

    sevencloudDon't get me wrong I LOVE objectifying people but sadly the dark side of labels is that some people don't want to be associated with them.


    then don't associate yourself with them. just associate yourself with the ones you like (perhaps being gay for example.) you can't control what other ppl do so don't let it get to you when they associate you with a label you don't like.

    sevencloudI like to call straight guys "mistake" and then assign a number afterward.


    and you are upset about other ppl calling you things you don't like?
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    Oct 24, 2010 4:30 AM GMT
    Personally, I find being called a twink to be extremely insulting. icon_evil.gif
    The last douche that called me that got head butted.
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    Oct 24, 2010 4:36 AM GMT
    mnboy saidPersonally, I find being called a twink to be extremely insulting. icon_evil.gif
    The last douche that called me that got head butted.


    Agreed.

    Because I am hairy and overweight does NOT mean I classify myself as a 'bear." I particularly LOATHE the term and would beat someone senseless if they "woof", "Bark", "Howl" or whatever, towards me. I am not attracted to the bigger hairy dudes either. I guess I am a "bear" outcast.
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    Oct 24, 2010 5:56 AM GMT
    mnboy saidPersonally, I find being called a twink to be extremely insulting. icon_evil.gif
    The last douche that called me that got head butted.


    Bahaha +1000
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    Oct 24, 2010 6:43 AM GMT
    GBRelentless saidI particularly LOATHE the term and would beat someone senseless if they "woof", "Bark", "Howl" or whatever, towards me.


    So you would be offended if someone made a remark referring to you as what they consider attractive? Lame.

    I "woof" at others whether they identify themselves in the "bear community" or not. If they get offended because they don't find me attractive in return, that's fine. If they get offended because they're afraid I may be trying to label them or put them in a box (you cute unique little snowflake, you), then they have far more drama than I'm willing to put up with talking to further anyway.

    If someone says something to you as a compliment, take it as a fucking compliment. If someone says something with the intent of offending you, take it as a fucking offense. Otherwise, get over yourself. (Not directed at GBRelentless; more of a general statement.)