November 2010 Election Recommendations

  • metta

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    Oct 22, 2010 6:33 PM GMT
    I thought it might be helpful to have a thread with recommended web sites to get more information. Please add web site information for your state and make sure to clearly post what State it is for.


    Here is information for CALIFORNIA

    Equality California Voters Guide:

    http://www.eqcapac.org/site/c.5oIBJNPwGjIWF/b.6300209/k.5DD/November_2010_Elections_Voter_Guide.htm

    The above does not include Judicial seats. For that, a friend of mine found an ultraconservative web site that recommends who to vote for. That makes it easy. FOR JUDICIAL SEATS, PLEASE VOTE FOR THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT IS RECOMMENDED ON THE LINK BELOW.

    The lower the number they rate them (from 1 to 10), the more likely they are to be supportive of GLBT issues the judge will probably be.

    Here is the web site. PLEASE DO NOT VOTE FOR THE PEOPLE THEY RECOMMEND ON THIS WEB SITE: http://www.judgevoterguide.com/

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    Oct 22, 2010 6:39 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    metta8 saidI thought it might be helpful to have a thread with recommended web sites to get more information. Please add web site information for your state and make sure to clearly post what State it is for.


    Here is information for CALIFORNIA

    Equality California Voters Guide:

    http://www.eqcapac.org/site/c.5oIBJNPwGjIWF/b.6300209/k.5DD/November_2010_Elections_Voter_Guide.htm

    The above does not include Judicial seats. For that, a friend of mine found an ultraconservative web site that recommends who to vote for. That makes it easy. FOR JUDICIAL SEATS, PLEASE VOTE FOR THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT IS RECOMMEND ON THE LINK BELOW.

    The lower the number they rate them (from 1 to 10), the more supportive of GLBT issues the judge will probably be.

    Here is the web site. PLEASE DO NOT VOTE FOR THE PEOPLE THEY RECOMMEND ON THIS WEB SITE: http://www.judgevoterguide.com/



    So let's see..... gays should vote for candidates based on how those candidates stand on gay issues?

    How juvenile.

    That said.... my advice would be:

    PLEASE DO NOT VOTE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT METTA8 RECOMMENDS

    Thank you.




    And thank you - for proving to everyone once again that you're a rabid hardcore REPUBLICAN.

    Are you finally done trying to lie people into believing that you're an "independent"????
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    Oct 22, 2010 6:48 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    rickrick91 said
    And thank you - for proving to everyone once again that you're a rabid hardcore REPUBLICAN.

    Are you finally done trying to lie people into believing that you're an "independent"????


    I could care less what people on here think about me.... isn't that obvious by now? icon_wink.gif




    Yes, it IS obvious that you "could " care less.

    Although, I think you meant to deny that you "could".
    Which means that you should've used the correct phrase - you COULDN'T care less.

    Some unintended subconsiously-motivated truth from you, SB?
  • metta

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    Oct 29, 2010 5:23 PM GMT
    Election Is Critical, but Try Telling That to Gay Voters


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    In the gay and lesbian community, which arguably has the most at stake, “there’s no doubt there’s less enthusiasm,” said Geoff Kors, executive director of Equality California, the organization that campaigned against Proposition 8.
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    [quote]
    Intervention would be an “unprecedented situation,” said Erwin Chemerinsky, dean of the law school at the University of California, Irvine. “We don’t know what would happen if a new governor or attorney general tried to intervene,” he said.

    The December appeals hearing could face a lengthy delay, or an argument could be made for a new trial, with the state reversing its stance and supporting the marriage ban.
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    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/29/us/29bcjames.html?_r=4
  • metta

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    Oct 31, 2010 1:32 AM GMT
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    Oct 31, 2010 1:40 AM GMT
    Easy...Don't vote for people who regard us as "less than human."

    In other words, steer clear of most Republicans.
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    Oct 31, 2010 2:09 AM GMT
    I wont vote for a GOP candidate since they so often vote against my civil rights and have done nothing to bring equality to the LGBT community. While I am not happy with Obama and the democratic party since they didnt go far enough and didnt force their votes...as the GOP did during the reign of Bush. I will still vote for a democratic.over the GOP.
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    Oct 31, 2010 2:16 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidSo let's see..... gays should vote for candidates based on how those candidates stand on gay issues?

    How juvenile.



    Are you insane? Criticizing someone for believing there is importance in human rights? Between this and your recent post in the Arkansas school board member thread, I swear you are getting as bad as that drunken fool from Australia.
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    Oct 31, 2010 1:02 PM GMT
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    sfinboston saidI wont vote for a GOP candidate since they so often vote against my civil rights and have done nothing to bring equality to the LGBT community. While I am not happy with Obama and the democratic party since they didnt go far enough and didnt force their votes...as the GOP did during the reign of Bush. I will still vote for a democratic.over the GOP.


    Yeah... like the Democrats, while having complete control of the Congress and the Presidency for the past two years have done so much for the gays.

    Uh huh...


    Well they have done some stuff but not DOMA, DADT or ENDA...Now the GOP wants to bar marriage equality, deny gays the right to have children...and some GOP members want to go as far as criminalizing "gay behavior"...So why would any proud out gay man vote for the GOP.
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    southbeach1500 said
    sfinboston saidI wont vote for a GOP candidate since they so often vote against my civil rights and have done nothing to bring equality to the LGBT community. While I am not happy with Obama and the democratic party since they didnt go far enough and didnt force their votes...as the GOP did during the reign of Bush. I will still vote for a democratic.over the GOP.


    Yeah... like the Democrats, while having complete control of the Congress and the Presidency for the past two years have done so much for the gays.

    Uh huh...


    Do I need to put the list here again? icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Oct 31, 2010 5:08 PM GMT
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    Heartrobb said
    southbeach1500 saidSo let's see..... gays should vote for candidates based on how those candidates stand on gay issues?

    How juvenile.



    Are you insane? Criticizing someone for believing there is importance in human rights? Between this and your recent post in the Arkansas school board member thread, I swear you are getting as bad as that drunken fool from Australia.


    I'm sure you've got plenty of human rights up there in Democrat-ruined Michigan. And because you do, I'm also sure that your state's economy and finances are in tip-top shape. icon_wink.gif

    Oh, and what post in the Arkansas school board member thread?



    Please, you know exactly what post and what thread I'm talking about. It was not one of your finer moments and with your history here that is really saying something. If you really need to be reminded, here it is. Be sure to read deep into the thread to see the reaction to your post.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1204325
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Oct 31, 2010 5:13 PM GMT
    OtterJoq saidEasy...Don't vote for people who regard us as "less than human."




    Please do point out which candidates regard gays as "less than human" and please include specific quotes from said candidates icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Oct 31, 2010 5:16 PM GMT
    sfinboston said...and some GOP members want to go as far as criminalizing "gay behavior"...So why would any proud out gay man vote for the GOP.


    I certainly would never endorse such a candidate, but could you please point out which GOP candidates(s) would want to criminalize being gay? Was this a recent candidate, or someone from back in the 1950's?
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    Oct 31, 2010 5:19 PM GMT
    Heartrobb said
    southbeach1500 saidSo let's see..... gays should vote for candidates based on how those candidates stand on gay issues?

    How juvenile.



    Are you insane? Criticizing someone for believing there is importance in human rights? Between this and your recent post in the Arkansas school board member thread, I swear you are getting as bad as that drunken fool from Australia.




    With all due respect, Heartrobb, I don't think anyone here is denying the importance of human rights. Southbeach was merely pointing out that not every gay necessarily (or even should) base his/her votes ONLY on where a candidate might stand on "gay issues".
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    Oct 31, 2010 5:35 PM GMT
    CuriousJock, I think you'd find that most gays wouldn't vote for someone who promised gay rights and also wanted involuntary euthanasia of the disabled, for example. Most gays aren't stupid; SB thinks they are and doesn't hesitate to expound on it.

    He is exactly what most people should strive to NOT be like. An unempathetic, unethical purveyor of lies who declares he doesn't care what anyone here thinks of him (though he does the most whining I've ever seen about rude people on RJ and their comments about him - interesting, eh?). I suggest that whoever or whatever SB says to vote for or do be treated with a large grain of salt. It's all about his wallet and nothing else.

    -Doug
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    Oct 31, 2010 5:50 PM GMT
    meninlove said CuriousJock, I think you'd find that most gays wouldn't vote for someone who promised gay rights and also wanted involuntary euthanasia of the disabled, for example. Most gays aren't stupid; SB thinks they are and doesn't hesitate to expound on it.

    He is exactly what most people should strive to NOT be like. An unempathetic, unethical purveyor of lies who declares he doesn't care what anyone here thinks of him (though he does the most whining I've ever seen about rude people on RJ and their comments about him - interesting, eh?). I suggest that whoever or whatever SB says to vote for or do be treated with a large grain of salt. It's all about his wallet and nothing else.

    -Doug


    PS Some of Bill's relatives live in the States and are dyed-in-the-wool Republicans. They are compassionate people that were thrilled about us getting married. They are nothing like SB, in fact I think he's an example of why some republicans view gays rather unfavourably.
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    Oct 31, 2010 6:17 PM GMT
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    Heartrobb said
    southbeach1500 saidSo let's see..... gays should vote for candidates based on how those candidates stand on gay issues?

    How juvenile.



    Are you insane? Criticizing someone for believing there is importance in human rights? Between this and your recent post in the Arkansas school board member thread, I swear you are getting as bad as that drunken fool from Australia.




    With all due respect, Heartrobb, I don't think anyone here is denying the importance of human rights. Southbeach was merely pointing out that not every gay necessarily (or even should) base his/her votes ONLY on where a candidate might stand on "gay issues".


    If it had come from someone else and not Southbeach and had been worded a little different then, then I might agree with you, but Southbeach seems to think caring about gay rights is frivolous and pointless. As someone kind of liberal, I don't always agree with you politically, and even less so of people like mocktwinkie, socalfitness, IHG84, and some others here. What separates most of the other conservatives here from Southbeach is they do not have a total disregard for gay rights or lack compassion. While nearly all of us, no matter what our political views, seem to be outraged by the actions and words of people like Andrew Shirvell in Michigan or Clint McCance in Arkansas or all of the recent teen suicides, you don't get that from Southbeach. In a short discussion I had with socalfitness in a forum a short time ago, he had explained why his beliefs were more in line with those of Republicans, but also said he would like to see things change within the party on gay rights. We don't seem get that human side from Southbeach.
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    Oct 31, 2010 6:35 PM GMT
    Heartrobb, Thanks for the positive comment. Just to reiterate, I think there are extremes in both parties. Many gays who have conservative positions on the economy, role of govt, etc. can influence mainstream Republicans. I think times are changing, and reasonable positions will ultimately prevail, even if some lip service is given to the more rigid social conservatives. Many of us want less intrusion by the Government in both our businesses as well as in our bedrooms, so there can be many areas of agreement.

    I also find both with friends on RJ as well as face to face, that if you like and respect someone, you can have friendly differences of opinion and often positive discussions, uncovering more areas of agreement than would be assumed.

    Along those lines, I think it is helpful to try and separate out opinions of any specific RJ member from any political positions he might hold. Makes for much better and productive discussions. Imagine having a political disagreement that is also very friendly. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Oct 31, 2010 7:41 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidHeartrobb, Thanks for the positive comment. Just to reiterate, I think there are extremes in both parties. Many gays who have conservative positions on the economy, role of govt, etc. can influence mainstream Republicans. I think times are changing, and reasonable positions will ultimately prevail, even if some lip service is given to the more rigid social conservatives. Many of us want less intrusion by the Government in both our businesses as well as in our bedrooms, so there can be many areas of agreement.

    I also find both with friends on RJ as well as face to face, that if you like and respect someone, you can have friendly differences of opinion and often positive discussions, uncovering more areas of agreement than would be assumed.

    Along those lines, I think it is helpful to try and separate out opinions of any specific RJ member from any political positions he might hold. Makes for much better and productive discussions. Imagine having a political disagreement that is also very friendly. icon_biggrin.gif


    You are a smart guy, socal, and I have a lot of respect for you. I'll have to take into consideration the last part of your post when I post in these threads. I think what makes it easier to separate opinions of some RJ members from the political views they hold is that with most we get to see a side of them outside of politics as both you and I and nearly everyone here in the forums, participate in threads that that are nonpolitical. We get to see another side of the person.
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    socalfitness saidHeartrobb, Thanks for the positive comment. Just to reiterate, I think there are extremes in both parties. Many gays who have conservative positions on the economy, role of govt, etc. can influence mainstream Republicans. I think times are changing, and reasonable positions will ultimately prevail, even if some lip service is given to the more rigid social conservatives. Many of us want less intrusion by the Government in both our businesses as well as in our bedrooms, so there can be many areas of agreement.

    I also find both with friends on RJ as well as face to face, that if you like and respect someone, you can have friendly differences of opinion and often positive discussions, uncovering more areas of agreement than would be assumed.

    Along those lines, I think it is helpful to try and separate out opinions of any specific RJ member from any political positions he might hold. Makes for much better and productive discussions. Imagine having a political disagreement that is also very friendly. icon_biggrin.gif


    You are a smart guy, socal, and I have a lot of respect for you. I'll have to take into consideration the last part of your post when I post in these threads. I think what makes it easier to separate opinions of some RJ members from the political views they hold is that with most we get to see a side of them outside of politics as both you and I and nearly everyone here in the forums, participate in threads that that are nonpolitical. We get to see another side of the person.

    Thanks - opinion mutual. Funny thing - I'll see someone post in the political thread and I'll think "What a f--- idiot!", but I won't respond, then I see the same person post in another area and I'll think "This is really an smart, wise person." The trouble is when you let anger at another person get in the way, it makes it hard to keep perspective. When I am discussing a political topic with someone face to face, and we don't see eye to eye, I think the best way to be a good ambassador of your beliefs is to listen to the other person and show them respect. Maybe after the passions of the election are over, it will be possible to have lower-key friendly discussions.
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    Oct 31, 2010 7:55 PM GMT
    Maybe it will socal, but I think the 2012 election season will start Nov 3.
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    Nov 01, 2010 5:23 PM GMT
    Michigan is ruined?? The Governor up there is Jennifer Granholm, how could they possibly be ruined? Her liberal policies should save the day and put the state in the same place as California and New York.


    southbeach1500 said
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    southbeach1500 saidSo let's see..... gays should vote for candidates based on how those candidates stand on gay issues?

    How juvenile.



    Are you insane? Criticizing someone for believing there is importance in human rights? Between this and your recent post in the Arkansas school board member thread, I swear you are getting as bad as that drunken fool from Australia.


    I'm sure you've got plenty of human rights up there in Democrat-ruined Michigan. And because you do, I'm also sure that your state's economy and finances are in tip-top shape. icon_wink.gif

    Oh, and what post in the Arkansas school board member thread?

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    Nov 01, 2010 5:42 PM GMT
    I feel like I owe a debt of gratitude to Obama and Pelosi. After all their the ones who will finally put liberalism to death. Times are finally going to be good again but we have to repair the damage these liberals have done in the last two years.
  • metta

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    Nov 01, 2010 7:04 PM GMT


    Republicans Appear Poised to Win Big on Tuesday

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/144125/Republicans-Appear-Poised-Win-Big-Tuesday.aspx
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    Nov 01, 2010 7:41 PM GMT
    The GOP is going to take anywhere from 55 to 93 seats. This is going to be the most seats that they have held since 1947. This is AWESOME!

    In Governorships they will at least have 30 seats going into next year with some new star talent that will be moved on to senate seats in the future.

    They will come up short in the Senate with a gain of 8 seats for sure and its starting to look like Patty Murray is toast, so that would be number 9, they need 10, but they have the chance to pick up another 8 seats in 2012, so the job will be done then.


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    Republicans Appear Poised to Win Big on Tuesday

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/144125/Republicans-Appear-Poised-Win-Big-Tuesday.aspx