We Voted Early Yesterday

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    Oct 23, 2010 4:10 PM GMT
    We had to go down to the new Wilton Manors city hall for early voting, instead of our usual polling station that's closer to us. But voting was immediate, no lines.

    We brought with us 2 voting guides: one published by the gay Dolphin Democrats, and one by our gay attorney, a former Broward County Commissioner.

    The lists didn't totally agree with each other, nor did we totally agree with them ourselves, but it gave us some guidance on a few of the more obscure races and referenda. We welcome advice, but we aren't gay community robots by any means. Nor do I think my partner & I vote exactly alike, though largely the same.

    We've never voted candidate-for-candidate or issue-for-issue as the various gay guides told us. But I hope we voted wisely & thoughtfully.

    And last weekend we attended a political function at a private home, where most of the Wilton Manors candidates for city commission appeared & spoke. And we listened, and made our final decisions. Plus we also wrote checks for those we are endorsing.

    We really take our voting seriously. We go out of our way to attend such events, to listen to the candidates, and to fund those we select. This is not merely an academic exercise for me to prattle on about here, without real action.

    We both try to educate ourselves by attending political events, we both listen & consider. I often speak in public. And then we put our money where our mouths are.

    It's not our place to run for office ourselves. We're too old, it's a young person's game. For the ambitious and those looking to their careers, which we no longer are.

    But we patronize those who have potential, and a future. So that our interests are indirectly advanced by those we endorse. And what we endorse is pro-gay, and pro-USA. A combination not too often seen on this site.
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    Oct 23, 2010 4:25 PM GMT
    Frankly if you are really pro USA you have to be pro gay.

    You should want all citizens to have opportunity: only in that way will the country prosper. You should want all citizens to be free: only in that way can the rhetoric be meaningful. Only when all people have the same freedom and opportunity will the full range of talent be liberated to work in all areas of society.

    The right has become more pro-fundamentalist than it is pro-american.
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    Oct 23, 2010 6:27 PM GMT
    Lostboy saidFrankly if you are really pro USA you have to be pro gay.

    You should want all citizens to have opportunity: only in that way will the country prosper. You should want all citizens to be free: only in that way can the rhetoric be meaningful. Only when all people have the same freedom and opportunity will the full range of talent be liberated to work in all areas of society.

    The right has become more pro-fundamentalist than it is pro-american.

    I have no idea what you mean. That is totally incoherent to me.
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    Oct 23, 2010 6:32 PM GMT
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    Art_Deco said
    We brought with us 2 voting guides: one published by the gay Dolphin Democrats, and one by our gay attorney, a former Broward County Commissioner.

    That's just pathetic.

    Were you also wearing your "gay clothing" and did you fill up the gas tank in your car on the way over there at the "gay gas station?"

    Did you stop for lunch at your favorite "gay restaurant" and then pick up some groceries at your "gay grocery store?"

    This is why I can't stand even driving up to Wilton Manors for an afternoon.... it's all gay this and gay that.

    What you conveniently omitted from my post was this:

    The lists didn't totally agree with each other, nor did we totally agree with them ourselves, but it gave us some guidance on a few of the more obscure races and referenda. We welcome advice, but we aren't gay community robots by any means. Nor do I think my partner & I vote exactly alike, though largely the same.

    We've never voted candidate-for-candidate or issue-for-issue as the various gay guides told us. But I hope we voted wisely & thoughtfully.


    Oh, did you forget to quote that? Not surprising. Selective quoting is your forte. icon_razz.gif
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    Oct 23, 2010 6:50 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    Lostboy saidFrankly if you are really pro USA you have to be pro gay.

    You should want all citizens to have opportunity: only in that way will the country prosper. You should want all citizens to be free: only in that way can the rhetoric be meaningful. Only when all people have the same freedom and opportunity will the full range of talent be liberated to work in all areas of society.

    The right has become more pro-fundamentalist than it is pro-american.

    I have no idea what you mean. That is totally incoherent to me.


    How can this possibly be incoherent? I am saying that for america to be great it needs all its citizens free to do their best, free to serve and protected from the religious extremism of a few.... Being pro USA implies you take gay people seriously as otherwise you are hamstringing yourself. I was agreeing with you.
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    Oct 23, 2010 8:04 PM GMT
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    Art_Deco said
    What you conveniently omitted from my post was this:

    The lists didn't totally agree with each other, nor did we totally agree with them ourselves, but it gave us some guidance on a few of the more obscure races and referenda. We welcome advice, but we aren't gay community robots by any means. Nor do I think my partner & I vote exactly alike, though largely the same.

    We've never voted candidate-for-candidate or issue-for-issue as the various gay guides told us. But I hope we voted wisely & thoughtfully.


    Oh, did you forget to quote that? Not surprising. Selective quoting is your forte. icon_razz.gif


    Why anyone would even bother with a voting guide is beyond me as they are just someone else's opinion and interpretation of the candidates and the issues. And a "gay" voting guide, that's just ludicrous.


    I think you do not understand he nature of a "voting guide."

    It is a breakout of were each candidate stands on a whole range of issues - ie a roundup view of what ALL the candidates say about ALL the issues.
  • Webster666

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    Oct 23, 2010 9:10 PM GMT
    Today, I finally finished wading through the carload of Propositions, and I filled out my absentee ballot. I'll mail it tomorrow or Monday...

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    Oct 24, 2010 6:46 AM GMT
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    Webster666 saidToday, I finally finished wading through the carload of Propositions, and I filled out my absentee ballot. I'll mail it tomorrow or Monday...



    Excellent! Another vote for Fiorina and another for Whitman.

    And what's the guy challenging Pelosi? Dennis something... one more vote for him too.

    Thanks for voting Webster-the-Devil!



    I hope I get mine soon so I can negate his vote.
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    Oct 24, 2010 6:57 AM GMT
    I voted early today too. No wait. Much better than waiting until election day and having to deal with long lines.
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    Oct 24, 2010 7:14 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidWhy anyone would even bother with a voting guide is beyond me as they are just someone else's opinion and interpretation of the candidates and the issues.



    That's not necessarily true. I used this as a voting guide for Louisiana's constitution amendment propositions and it's clearly non-partisan.

    http://www.la-par.org/Publications/PDF/ConstAmend_Nov2010.pdf
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    Oct 24, 2010 8:32 AM GMT
    We voted already, too.
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    Oct 24, 2010 8:50 AM GMT
    Why are people responding to the bait of that super troll? It's obvious he's just saying the things he does to have an identity in a world he would otherwise not have. Just ignore it and it will go away.
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    Oct 24, 2010 5:30 PM GMT
    I will wait until november.
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    Oct 24, 2010 7:50 PM GMT
    I second that mocktwinkie. I also will wait until November 2nd to vote.
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    Oct 24, 2010 7:59 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    UpperCanadian said
    I think you do not understand he nature of a "voting guide."

    It is a breakout of were each candidate stands on a whole range of issues - ie a roundup view of what ALL the candidates say about ALL the issues.


    I can assure you, a voting guide from the "gay Dolphins" is going to be biased.
    And you are going to sit here and say that the RNC voting guide isnt?

    Yes, I said the RNC VOTING GUIDE
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    Oct 24, 2010 8:00 PM GMT
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    Webster666 saidToday, I finally finished wading through the carload of Propositions, and I filled out my absentee ballot. I'll mail it tomorrow or Monday...



    Excellent! Another vote for Fiorina and another for Whitman.

    And what's the guy challenging Pelosi? Dennis something... one more vote for him too.

    Thanks for voting Webster-the-Devil!
    Why dont you worry about FLORIDA's candidates..

    what a buffoon of a buttinski..
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    Oct 24, 2010 8:11 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidBut then again, it wasn't put out by the "gay Dolphins."

    Actually, it's correctly written "Dolphin Democrats" with caps, an officially recognized gay political group in Florida. We know their former & current Presidents on a first-name basis. I wonder if you do, or really know anything about them?

    http://dolphindems.org/index.html

    We often clash swords with them, over particular candidate recommendations they make. It's cost us some standing, but we vote as we wish. And we've supported, with our cash & votes, some straight gay-friendly candidates we thought were better qualified opposing the gay candidates the Dolphin Democrats endorsed.

    In our view, the Dolphins regrettably have a knee-jerk response to supporting any candidate if they are GLBT. On the other hand, we try to find the best candidate, who is also gay friendly.

    This is what you choose to ignore, and slander me & my partner about. The Dolphin Democrats are just one source we consult when voting, but there are others. And we have never voted lock-step with the Dolphins, nor with anyone else. You are totally off-base, as usual.
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    Oct 24, 2010 9:57 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    UpperCanadian said
    I think you do not understand he nature of a "voting guide."

    It is a breakout of were each candidate stands on a whole range of issues - ie a roundup view of what ALL the candidates say about ALL the issues.


    I can assure you, a voting guide from the "gay Dolphins" is going to be biased.




    I can assure you that a comment posted by SouthbeachtheRepublican is going to be biased.
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    Oct 24, 2010 10:10 PM GMT
    Voted yesterday! Anxious to see the results a couple weeks from now
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    Oct 25, 2010 5:06 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidYeah, you two are "moderates" then.... Wilton Manors moderates (lefty extremists to the rest of the country outside of the northeast and the west coast).

    You are really a right-wing sicko. Slamming all of Wilton Manors as "lefty extremists." Where the Hell do you get off saying that?

    First you claimed I was voting lock-step with the Dolphin Democrats. An untrue statement for which you have no evidence, that I refuted. Gawd knows the local Dolphins could tell you how often we clash with them.

    Now you say Wilton Manors moderates are actually lefty extremists. Anything else outrageous you can pull out of your ass for effect?
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    Oct 25, 2010 5:08 AM GMT
    Here in Washington, most counties vote by mail. Ours are in the mail box right now. We didn't vote for those who we didn't know, we just left those ones blank. But, we did our part.
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    Oct 25, 2010 5:08 AM GMT
    Does anyone else here like a divided government? I kind of prefer that for some reason. It either slows the government down from wildly passing laws or it produces true consensus legislation. It can probably lead to gridlock too, but I read somewhere that the founding fathers might have tried to build a level of gridlock into our system anyway to keep the government in check.
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    Oct 25, 2010 5:12 AM GMT
    boydroid saidDoes anyone else here like a divided government? I kind of prefer that for some reason. It either slows the government down from wildly passing laws or it produces true consensus legislation. It can probably lead to gridlock too, but I read somewhere that the founding fathers might have tried to build a level of gridlock into our system anyway to keep the government in check.

    What wasn't anticipated by the Founders was a party ideologically opposed to all legislation by the majority, that would block it for party reasons, over any national interests. We never had that before, but now we do.

    A divided government is one thing, but a log-jammed government that can't legislate is another. "Vote as our minority demands, or nothing will get passed." All the while their Teabagger supporters are yelling about the rule of the majority, over the rule of law.

    Well, I guess when you have Jesus on your side, all bets are off, and you get to make your own rules. "Heads I win, tails you lose." When I have the minority I get to block the law, and when I have the majority, I get to make the law. Sounds fair to me. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Oct 25, 2010 5:16 AM GMT
    boydroid saidDoes anyone else here like a divided government? I kind of prefer that for some reason. It either slows the government down from wildly passing laws or it produces true consensus legislation. It can probably lead to gridlock too, but I read somewhere that the founding fathers might have tried to build a level of gridlock into our system anyway to keep the government in check.


    I assure you that no elected official is capable of doing anything in a timely fashion.
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    Oct 25, 2010 5:35 AM GMT
    Art_DecoWhat wasn't anticipated by the Founders was a party ideologically opposed to all legislation by the majority, that would block it for party reasons, over any national interests. We never had that before, but now we do.

    A divided government is one thing, but a log-jammed government that can't legislate is another. "Vote as our minority demands, or nothing will get passed." All the while their Teabagger supporters are yelling about the rule of the majority, over the rule of law.


    It depends on who is defining party interests vs. national interests. I hear that from both sides actually.

    I thought some of the democrats are running on their legislative accomplishments. And some are running away from them. In either case, something legislative was done, that is the assumption for either strategy.