Hate Crimes Against Gays in Canada

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    Oct 24, 2010 9:21 PM GMT
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    OTTAWA—Police services are reporting a big jump in hate crimes, and they say gay men are being targeted more often and in the most violent incidents.

    But Statistics Canada says the numbers could be more a result of better reporting than of increased violence.

    The agency said police logged 1,036 hate crimes in 2008, up 35 per cent from 2007.

    Just over half (55 per cent) were motivated by race or ethnicity, 26 per cent by religion and 16 per cent by sexual orientation.

    The agency says all three major categories of hate crime increased in 2008, but the largest increase was among crimes motivated by sexual orientation, which more than doubled from 2007 to 2008.

    Hate crimes motivated by sexual orientation were also the most violent
    : 75 per cent were violent compared with 38 per cent of racially-motivated incidents and 25 per cent of religiously motivated incidents.

    Among violent incidents motivated by sexual orientation, 85 per cent of the victims were male.

    The agency used data from the national Uniform Crime Reporting, which assembles information on hate crimes as defined in the Criminal Code ''that have been reported to, and substantiated by, police services.''


    But the report cautions that the data may be affected by a number of things.

    ''Information from police indicates that year-over-year changes do not necessarily reflect actual increases or decreases in the incidence of this type of offence since the number of hate crimes recorded in a given area can be influenced by many different factors,'' it said.

    ''These may include the existence (or absence) of specialized police hate crime units, training initiatives, zero tolerance policies, victim assistance programs, hot-lines and community awareness campaigns. In other words, the rate of hate crime in a given area may be more indicative of reporting practices by the public and local police services rather than prevalence levels.''

    Sarita Srivastava, a sociology professor at Queen's University, says the improved reporting may only balance the fact that such crimes are generally under-reported by victims.

    ''Whether it's 35 per cent or five per cent, clearly the numbers are still too high,'' she said.

    There remains much to be done to reduce hate crimes and social inequalities, she said.

    ''Let's not sit down and congratulate ourselves over having achieved some level of tolerance.''

    Helen Kennedy, executive director of EGALE, echoed that sentiment.

    ''We know that close to 75 per cent of these crimes go unreported,'' she said.

    Kennedy said much of the homophobic violence occurs among young people and in schools.

    ''We are focusing primarily on schools now in terms of our training, the training we are doing with police across the country,'' she said.

    ''The violence is still there. The fact that we're reporting it more is good, but we still have to do a lot more.''

    StatsCan reported hate crimes motivated by religion increased 53 per cent, while those motivated by race or ethnicity were up 15.

    Mischief offences such as vandalism to property accounted for 47 per cent of hate crimes, while other non-violent offences comprised 11 per cent. Violence was a factor in 42 per cent of hate crimes.

    Among the hate crimes motivated by race or ethnicity, almost four in 10 were committed against blacks. Police reported 205 hate crimes against blacks in 2008, up 30 per cent over 2007, but still lower than the 2006 total of 238.

    South Asians, which include East Indians and Pakistanis, were the next most commonly targeted group, accounting for 12 per cent of hate-crime incidents motivated by race or ethnicity. Incidents targeting South Asians increased by 21 per cent in 2008.

    As in previous years, about two-thirds of religiously-motivated hate crimes were committed against the Jewish faith. The agency reports 165 hate crimes targeting the Jewish faith in 2008, up 42 per cent.

    Police reported 30 hate crimes against the Catholic faith, double the total in 2007. The 26 incidents against the Muslim faith represented a slight drop from 2007.

    Vancouver and Hamilton reported the highest rates (6.3 hate crimes per 100,000 population) among Canada's 10 largest census cities.

    Police reported 143 hate crimes in Vancouver in 2008, nearly double the total from the previous year.

    There were 271 hate crimes reported in Toronto, a rate of 5.4 hate crimes per 100,000 population. Montreal, where police reported 38 hate crimes in 2008, had the lowest rate, at one per 100,000.

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    Oct 24, 2010 9:33 PM GMT
    Hard to know what this means. The politicians always fall back on "better reporting" to mask any recognition that some actual changes may be happening, that might be embarrassing to them.

    I'm not a Canadian, so I rely upon RJ members there to give their own insights. Especially our esteemed meninlove.
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    Oct 24, 2010 9:40 PM GMT
    Homosexual hate crime laws came into effect around 2004, and being notoriously slow Canada, lol, I think it's taken awhile for legal entities and law enforcement to get familiar with it and for citizens to report it.

    We are also, like it or not, influenced by US broadcasting and the public up here has been inundated with the hate flowing north via the media, so the bigots feel enabled and act out more.

    My opinion.

    -Doug
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    Oct 24, 2010 9:53 PM GMT
    meninlove said We are also, like it or not, influenced by US broadcasting and the public up here has been inundated with the hate flowing north via the media, so the bigots feel enabled and act out more.

    My opinion.

    -Doug

    Ah, that's makes sense, as always. US right-wing hate crosses over your border. I hope you Canadians push back.
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    Oct 25, 2010 12:59 AM GMT
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    meninlove said We are also, like it or not, influenced by US broadcasting and the public up here has been inundated with the hate flowing north via the media, so the bigots feel enabled and act out more.

    My opinion.

    -Doug

    Ah, that's makes sense, as always. US right-wing hate crosses over your border. I hope you Canadians push back.



    Harper seems to be pulling it in, rather.

    I've heard about a few hate crimes here in Van, mostly Surrey trash coming up to downtown to make beef on Davie st.

    Interestingly enough, that same Surrey trash is mostly South Asian itself, out of all groups in Canada they seem to be the most vocal homophobes.

    It probably also has something to do with the police itself, as the research mentioned it was only counted if the police recorded it as such. If you get bashed in, name a random hick town, Grande Prairie, AB, the chances of the police telling you to just fuck off and "don't invite it" are a lot higher than if the exact same incident occurs in downtown Vancouver.
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    Oct 25, 2010 1:29 AM GMT
    meninlove said Homosexual hate crime laws came into effect around 2004, and being notoriously slow Canada, lol, I think it's taken awhile for legal entities and law enforcement to get familiar with it and for citizens to report it.

    We are also, like it or not, influenced by US broadcasting and the public up here has been inundated with the hate flowing north via the media, so the bigots feel enabled and act out more.

    My opinion.

    -Doug

    Just curious, what do you mean by hate flowing north via the media?
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    Oct 25, 2010 1:36 AM GMT
    Name any other country in the Americas that has legalized gay marriage. Canadian gays live a life that gays around the world envy. There are WOMEN in other countries that wish they had the rights that gays in Canada have.

    If you stumbled into a Canadian police station 20 years ago and said that you were gay and that some guys had beat you up, the police would have said "good for them!" and booted your sorry ass out the door.

    The statistics reflect a change in the attitude of the police, not in the number of assaults. Now they understand that gay bashing is the same as wife bashing, and they file the reports.
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    Oct 25, 2010 1:54 AM GMT
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    meninlove said Homosexual hate crime laws came into effect around 2004, and being notoriously slow Canada, lol, I think it's taken awhile for legal entities and law enforcement to get familiar with it and for citizens to report it.

    We are also, like it or not, influenced by US broadcasting and the public up here has been inundated with the hate flowing north via the media, so the bigots feel enabled and act out more.

    My opinion.

    -Doug

    Just curious, what do you mean by hate flowing north via the media?


    lol, curiosity or obfuscation? Take a look at some of your broadcasts. I remember when Matthew Shepard was killed. We ended up watching programs on US stations that interviewed people confidently telling the cameras that he burned in hell and deserved it for being gay. Granted that was '98 and '99 but makes an obvious point.
    Look at your ghastly prop 8 ads...

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    Oct 25, 2010 2:17 AM GMT
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    meninlove said Homosexual hate crime laws came into effect around 2004, and being notoriously slow Canada, lol, I think it's taken awhile for legal entities and law enforcement to get familiar with it and for citizens to report it.

    We are also, like it or not, influenced by US broadcasting and the public up here has been inundated with the hate flowing north via the media, so the bigots feel enabled and act out more.

    My opinion.

    -Doug

    Just curious, what do you mean by hate flowing north via the media?


    lol, curiosity or obfuscation? Take a look at some of your broadcasts. I remember when Matthew Shepard was killed. We ended up watching programs on US stations that interviewed people confidently telling the cameras that he burned in hell and deserved it for being gay. Granted that was '98 and '99 but makes an obvious point.
    Look at your ghastly prop 8 ads...


    Thanks for clarifying. That certainly agrees with what I would consider hate. I didn't know if you were associating a broader definition to the term. Also don't understand what you mean by "lol" in this case. I think it is a rather serious topic, don't you agree? What did you mean by obfuscation in this case also?
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    Oct 25, 2010 2:24 AM GMT
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    Interestingly enough, that same Surrey trash is mostly South Asian itself, out of all groups in Canada they seem to be the most vocal homophobes.


    Is that South Asian as in Pakistani? Cuase thats Muslim and what I would be expecting...

    If you mean "South-East-Asian" as in Thai and Vietnamese, I would be surprised... Buddhist cultures tend to be rather tolerant... (Malay is the exception of course)
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    Tazo995 said

    Interestingly enough, that same Surrey trash is mostly South Asian itself, out of all groups in Canada they seem to be the most vocal homophobes.


    Is that South Asian as in Pakistani? Cuase thats Muslim and what I would be expecting...

    If you mean "South-East-Asian" as in Thai and Vietnamese, I would be surprised... Buddhist cultures tend to be rather tolerant... (Malay is the exception of course)


    I think he means Indian.
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    Oct 25, 2010 2:42 AM GMT
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    meninlove said
    socalfitness said
    meninlove said Homosexual hate crime laws came into effect around 2004, and being notoriously slow Canada, lol, I think it's taken awhile for legal entities and law enforcement to get familiar with it and for citizens to report it.

    We are also, like it or not, influenced by US broadcasting and the public up here has been inundated with the hate flowing north via the media, so the bigots feel enabled and act out more.

    My opinion.

    -Doug

    Just curious, what do you mean by hate flowing north via the media?


    lol, curiosity or obfuscation? Take a look at some of your broadcasts. I remember when Matthew Shepard was killed. We ended up watching programs on US stations that interviewed people confidently telling the cameras that he burned in hell and deserved it for being gay. Granted that was '98 and '99 but makes an obvious point.
    Look at your ghastly prop 8 ads...


    Thanks for clarifying. That certainly agrees with what I would consider hate. I didn't know if you were associating a broader definition to the term. Also don't understand what you mean by "lol" in this case. I think it is a rather serious topic, don't you agree? What did you mean by obfuscation in this case also?



    A lol of surprise in that you, we think, are rather intelligently perceptive and we feel knew already what we refer to, hence the obfuscation, wanting us to spell it out bluntly. icon_wink.gif.
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    Oct 25, 2010 2:48 AM GMT
    Well I've been a victim of a lot of hate crimes in my home town...
    Thank god I've never actually been beat up, but there has been several close calls.icon_evil.gif

    I never reported them though, I didn't want the drama.
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    Oct 25, 2010 2:51 AM GMT
    meninlove said
    socalfitness said
    meninlove said
    socalfitness said
    meninlove said Homosexual hate crime laws came into effect around 2004, and being notoriously slow Canada, lol, I think it's taken awhile for legal entities and law enforcement to get familiar with it and for citizens to report it.

    We are also, like it or not, influenced by US broadcasting and the public up here has been inundated with the hate flowing north via the media, so the bigots feel enabled and act out more.

    My opinion.

    -Doug

    Just curious, what do you mean by hate flowing north via the media?


    lol, curiosity or obfuscation? Take a look at some of your broadcasts. I remember when Matthew Shepard was killed. We ended up watching programs on US stations that interviewed people confidently telling the cameras that he burned in hell and deserved it for being gay. Granted that was '98 and '99 but makes an obvious point.
    Look at your ghastly prop 8 ads...


    Thanks for clarifying. That certainly agrees with what I would consider hate. I didn't know if you were associating a broader definition to the term. Also don't understand what you mean by "lol" in this case. I think it is a rather serious topic, don't you agree? What did you mean by obfuscation in this case also?



    A lol of surprise in that you, we think, are rather intelligently perceptive and we feel knew already what we refer to, hence the obfuscation, wanting us to spell it out bluntly. icon_wink.gif.

    Actually I was being on the level, which may be surprising to you. I was not aware of a high volume of what we both agree to be hate in the media of late, so it wasn't clear to me what you meant. I was wondering if you were applying the term to the social conservatives who oppose gay marriage. There is much more of that in the media, but I would have objected if that anti-gay, intolerant position were labeled hate.
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    Oct 25, 2010 4:43 AM GMT
    socal said, "...but I would have objected if that anti-gay, intolerant position were labeled hate."

    ..an anti-gay intolerant position is not hate? If not, it is....what?
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    amar_m said
    Tazo995 said

    Interestingly enough, that same Surrey trash is mostly South Asian itself, out of all groups in Canada they seem to be the most vocal homophobes.


    Is that South Asian as in Pakistani? Cuase thats Muslim and what I would be expecting...

    If you mean "South-East-Asian" as in Thai and Vietnamese, I would be surprised... Buddhist cultures tend to be rather tolerant... (Malay is the exception of course)


    I think he means Indian.


    South Asian = Pakistani, Punjabi, Bengali, Tamil, and the other ethnicities that live on the Indian subcontinent.

    Technically the Pashtu would be South Asian too, but I'll leave them out (even though I'm pretty sure they don't really like gay people either, cause they're muslim)

    (I obviously don't mean southeast asian, babes.)
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    Oct 25, 2010 4:49 AM GMT
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    barriehomeboy saidName any other country in the Americas that has legalized gay marriage.

    Interestingly.... Cuba is moving towards it!


    Didn't Argentina, Mexico and Uruguay already have gay marriage since recently?

    Maybe Argentina and Mexico where city-level only, but I'm pretty sure it's nationwide in Uruguay
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    Oct 25, 2010 6:06 AM GMT
    meninlove said socal said, "...but I would have objected if that anti-gay, intolerant position were labeled hate."

    ..an anti-gay intolerant position is not hate? If not, it is....what?

    Someone who believes marriage is between a man and a woman does not necessarily hate gays. You can say their position is anti-gay or intolerant, but not necessarily hateful. What is hate can be described by the example you presented before, i.e. Matthew Shepherd killing, or more generally, any crime against gays because they are gay. The term, hate, is diluted by applying it so liberally (no pun intended) and inaccurately as you most recently suggested. I thought you properly applied the term per your earlier response, but disagree with your latest.
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    meninlove said socal said, "...but I would have objected if that anti-gay, intolerant position were labeled hate."

    ..an anti-gay intolerant position is not hate? If not, it is....what?

    Someone who believes marriage is between a man and a woman does not necessarily hate gays. You can say their position is anti-gay or intolerant, but not necessarily hateful. What is hate can be described by the example you presented before, i.e. Matthew Shepherd killing.



    Hate implies action. Saying that marriage is only between a man and a woman is effectively hateful, because it condones the existing system of 2nd class citizens.

    If you'd state that "marriage is only between two white people" in this day and age, everybody would call it hate.

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    barriehomeboy saidName any other country in the Americas that has legalized gay marriage.

    Interestingly.... Cuba is moving towards it!


    Didn't Argentina, Mexico and Uruguay already have gay marriage since recently?

    Maybe Argentina and Mexico where city-level only, but I'm pretty sure it's nationwide in Uruguay


    Yup your right, all those countries I thought were nationwide
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    meninlove said socal said, "...but I would have objected if that anti-gay, intolerant position were labeled hate."

    ..an anti-gay intolerant position is not hate? If not, it is....what?

    Someone who believes marriage is between a man and a woman does not necessarily hate gays. You can say their position is anti-gay or intolerant, but not necessarily hateful. What is hate can be described by the example you presented before, i.e. Matthew Shepherd killing.



    Hate implies action. Saying that marriage is only between a man and a woman is effectively hateful, because it condones the existing system of 2nd class citizens.

    If you'd state that "marriage is only between two white people" in this day and age, everybody would call it hate.

    I think of it more in the context of a crime, but it is a semantic issue that can be interpreted differently. I don't think a lot of people would consider that hate, but interesting question.
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    Tazo995 said
    tallcanuck said
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    Tazo995 said

    Interestingly enough, that same Surrey trash is mostly South Asian itself, out of all groups in Canada they seem to be the most vocal homophobes.


    Is that South Asian as in Pakistani? Cuase thats Muslim and what I would be expecting...

    If you mean "South-East-Asian" as in Thai and Vietnamese, I would be surprised... Buddhist cultures tend to be rather tolerant... (Malay is the exception of course)


    I think he means Indian.


    South Asian = Pakistani, Punjabi, Bengali, Tamil, and the other ethnicities that live on the Indian subcontinent.

    Technically the Pashtu would be South Asian too, but I'll leave them out (even though I'm pretty sure they don't really like gay people either, cause they're muslim)

    (I obviously don't mean southeast asian, babes.)



    that makes sense, I dont speak to half my South-Asian family (Im about 30% S.Asian) because of their nasty gay hate
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    Oct 25, 2010 11:41 AM GMT
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    meninlove said socal said, "...but I would have objected if that anti-gay, intolerant position were labeled hate."




    Hate implies action. Saying that marriage is only between a man and a woman is effectively hateful, because it condones the existing system of 2nd class citizens.

    If you'd state that "marriage is only between two white people" in this day and age, everybody would call it hate.

    I think of it more in the context of a crime,



    Correct.

    Hate Crime legislation defines a cetegory of crime for the purposes of sentencing. hence - where no actual crime" there is no "hate" in the legal sense.


    Calling marriage "between two white people only" is not "hate" at all. Bigotted yes and stupid, - but not "hate."

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    Oct 25, 2010 12:25 PM GMT
    yeah i got beat up in sydney.... outside my own home... the guy is serving 20-25 for atempted murder... rot in hell i say...

    for the rest of us, report EVERYTHING... most policing is based on reports.... the more reports, the more police patrols!