Do you know your enemy?

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    Oct 24, 2010 9:50 PM GMT
    Gay voters may help put more Republicans in the Congress?

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101024/ap_on_el_ge/us_gay_voters

    Every single Republican in the Senate voted against repealing DADT, killing the repeal and keeping the repeal bill from going to the President's desk to be signed into law - and gay voters are going to sit this election out and allow religious right Republican voters to put MORE Republicans in Congress?
    Gay voters are going to be the deciding factor that hands control of Congress over to the anti-gay Republicans?

    Are we that stupid?
    Is it fair to blame the Democrats in Congress who have voted FOR gay rights just because we're disappointed in Obama and the slow pace of progress?

    Putting more Republicans in Congress will SLOW the pace of progress even more, prevent the legislative repeal of DADT, and make progress on other gay rights issues impossible.

    Are we that stupid?



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    Oct 24, 2010 10:03 PM GMT
    Si, que son tan estupidos

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    Oct 25, 2010 2:02 AM GMT
    GQjock saidSi, que son tan estupidos





    Dios nos ayuda!
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    Oct 25, 2010 2:13 AM GMT
    I have supported the Dems for 40 years with votes and donations. The past two years they had both houses of Congress and the presidency. The Dems did not act on our big issues. They did a few minor things to try to placate us and have something to point to.

    If we continue to vote Democrat and continue to give them the impression that we wouild never vote Repub, then they will continue to diddle our issues as it suits THEM.

    Sometimes, you have to take one step back to get going forward. I personally think it is definitely time to withhold our support from Dems to let them know that time has run out on diddling us. Either act or be out of a job!

    DUMP OBAMA
    HILLARY 2012
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    Oct 25, 2010 2:15 AM GMT
    Hmmm...so because the Dems didn't do enough, it's better to vote in a group who will do nothing, guaranteed; or even worse, reverse what little has been done?
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    Oct 25, 2010 2:18 AM GMT
    meninlove said Hmmm...so because the Dems didn't do enough, it's better to vote in a group who will do nothing, guaranteed; or even worse, reverse what little has been done?

    Yes. The Repubs cant do much more to us. They wont have such a great majority that they could steamroll anything thru. The Dems could start to show some sincerity by blocking anything the Repubs try to do. Then if the Dems want to get back into control, they will realize that they will have to do something.

    Certainly if O' wants to get reelected he will have to make some major achievements in the next two years, and a good scare in the Dems this mid-term election will help motivate them to do it.
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    Oct 25, 2010 2:22 AM GMT
    Caslon16000 said
    meninlove said Hmmm...so because the Dems didn't do enough, it's better to vote in a group who will do nothing, guaranteed; or even worse, reverse what little has been done?

    Yes. The Repubs cant do much more to us. But next time, if the Dems want to get back in office, they will realize that they will have to do something.

    I've had the same kind of discussion with Jewish people who have traditionally voted Democratic but were not happy with what they have perceived as the administration's anti-Israel stance. (I'm not saying that is necessarily true, but that is their perception.) I told them if they always vote for one party, then their vote is taken for granted and the party is less motivated to earn their vote.
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    Oct 25, 2010 2:24 AM GMT
    Caslon16000 saidDUMP OBAMA
    HILLARY 2012

    Now there's something we can agree on! I wanted her in 2008, and believe the last 2 years would have been much better for gays had she been President.

    Even worse if McCain & Palin had won, who are proven gay enemies. And why I agree with the OP's basic argument, one I have stated here many times myself.

    Just because the weasels have let us down, is that a good reason to throw ourselves into the tank with the sharks? Well, that's what the Republicans here would have us do.
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    Oct 25, 2010 2:27 AM GMT
    Caslon16000 saidDUMP OBAMA
    HILLARY 2012
    IF she will stay in the running this time.
    I'd vote for her without even listening to her campaign speeches. She did a great job while Bill was in office. icon_lol.gif
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    Oct 25, 2010 2:44 AM GMT
    rickrick91 said...
    Are we that stupid?


    Not all. Just the ones who vote for those who would rather see us dead. (i.e. GOProud supporters; "Log Cabin" sycophants)
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    Oct 25, 2010 2:52 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    Caslon16000 saidDUMP OBAMA
    HILLARY 2012

    Now there's something we can agree on!

    I have already ordered my bumper sticker from BumperArt.com. Designed it myself. Aint it beautiful!

    hillarybumpersticker.jpg

    Notice I need...ahem...a size Large....ahem
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    Oct 25, 2010 4:10 PM GMT
    I think I will vote for Alec Baldwin in 2012 if he chooses to run. His marital problems and anger issues aside, he's actually quite well spoken.
    I wonder what he'll do when he retires from acting soon?
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    Oct 26, 2010 2:10 AM GMT
    Caslon16000 saidI have supported the Dems for 40 years with votes and donations. The past two years they had both houses of Congress and the presidency. The Dems did not act on our big issues. They did a few minor things to try to placate us and have something to point to.

    If we continue to vote Democrat and continue to give them the impression that we wouild never vote Repub, then they will continue to diddle our issues as it suits THEM.

    Sometimes, you have to take one step back to get going forward. I personally think it is definitely time to withhold our support from Dems to let them know that time has run out on diddling us. Either act or be out of a job!

    DUMP OBAMA
    HILLARY 2012



    "One step back"?
    That's what some Dems thought in 2000, when they decided to vote Nader or sit out the presidential election to "teach the Dems a lesson" for having worked with the Repub-controlled Congress to reform the welfare system, and pass other bipartisan legislation.
    But, helping elect BUSH - the worst president in U.S. history, and one of the most right-wing - was WAY MORE than "one step back".

    You have no idea what the unintended consequences will be of helping to put the Repubs back in charge.

    You must have a very short memory.
    Have you forgotten so soon what it was like having Bush, Cheney, Delay & Co. running things?
    Seriously?

    If you want to punish Obama, the proper time to do that is with the primary season for election 2012 - not now.