Obama: Rejected

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    Oct 25, 2010 6:11 PM GMT


    Videos like this reflect the fact that about two-thirds of Americans reject Obama and his statist agenda. Each day since taking office he appears more smug, arrogant, and out-of-touch.

    In election after election voters have rejected Obama's lackeys.

    It looks like the November 2, 2010 elections could result in substantial Republican gains in the House, Senate, and governorships.

    Hopefully Speaker Pelousy will be kicked off her throne, and the cadaverous Harry Reid will be retired.
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    Oct 25, 2010 6:30 PM GMT
    And absolutely nothing will be done for the next two-years: no climate-change policies, no infrastructure jobs, they will probably abolish any sort of fines on car companies that make low mpg, high-polluting cars, we will be further dependent on gas, gays will be permanently forced back into the closet with fines or jail or death for being gay, power will continue to go to the richest, companies will have free-will to do whatever they want to consumers with no legal ramifications, you might as well forget health-care, Kaiser and the other companies will milk you dry and you will not be able to afford it anymore.

    Then........Republicans will win in 2012, and if you think what you read above is bad, it will get even worse.

    Take your pick.
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    Oct 25, 2010 6:35 PM GMT
    We're about to take a huge step backwards in this country.

    What's tragic is that so many RJers who should know better are openly pushing for the homophobic, racist agenda of the far Right.

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    Oct 25, 2010 6:37 PM GMT
    wrestlervic saidAnd absolutely nothing will be done for the next two-years: no climate-change policies, no infrastructure jobs, they will probably abolish any sort of fines on car companies that make low mpg, high-polluting cars, we will be further dependent on gas, gays will be permanently forced back into the closet with fines or jail or death for being gay, power will continue to go to the richest, companies will have free-will to do whatever they want to consumers with no legal ramifications, you might as well forget health-care, Kaiser and the other companies will milk you dry and you will not be able to afford it anymore.

    Then........Republicans will win in 2012, and if you think what you read above is bad, it will get even worse.

    Take your pick.


    Why would you be in favor of fining car manufacturers? Wow, you REALLY want to kill our economy don't you. What about incentives for doing things environmentally friendly, haven't you thought of that? Climate change policies are job killers -- they just drive businesses overseas. Unless every country in the world had the same policies, it's not going to work, it will just export jobs to foreign countries like China who could care less about the environment and the pollution output will be the same or worse for the world as a whole anyway.

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    Oct 25, 2010 6:39 PM GMT
    Wow. There was not a thing in that video that was even remotely true. And the racist moment in it was very revealing.
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    Oct 25, 2010 6:41 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidWow. There was not a thing in that video that was even remotely true. And the racist moment in it was very revealing.


    Where was the racist moment? I could only make it about 2 minutes into this piece of paranoid crap.
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    Oct 25, 2010 6:45 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidWow. There was not a thing in that video that was even remotely true. And the racist moment in it was very revealing.


    The video was tacky, but please, just shut it with the racism nonsense.
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    Oct 25, 2010 6:49 PM GMT
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    Christian73 saidWow. There was not a thing in that video that was even remotely true. And the racist moment in it was very revealing.


    Where was the racist moment? I could only make it about 2 minutes into this piece of paranoid crap.


    Oh, yeah. The show MLK and a bunch of civil rights workers, while she says something like "hope did not make our country great" and then it moves to white people and says self-reliance did.

    I'm so curious to know where these self-described "patriots" were when the PATRIOT Act was rammed through Congress following 9/11. Where was John Boner to bitch about how it was 1,300 pages, the greatest expansion of government authority in our history, and why aren't Tea Partiers crying the repeal of it. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Oct 25, 2010 6:51 PM GMT
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    Christian73 saidWow. There was not a thing in that video that was even remotely true. And the racist moment in it was very revealing.


    The video was tacky, but please, just shut it with the racism nonsense.


    I'm sorry you're not sensitive to the racist messages in it, but it's pretty obvious. Then there's just a lot of rambling lies and half-truths.

    What I find hilarious is that you can always pinpoint the Fox News and Beck listeners because they post whatever the talking points were the day or weekend before.

    The new attack is that Obama is "smug" and lo and behold, here's jockfever quoting it verbatim.
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    Christian73 saidWow. There was not a thing in that video that was even remotely true. And the racist moment in it was very revealing.


    The video was tacky, but please, just shut it with the racism nonsense.


    I'm sorry you're not sensitive to the racist messages in it, but it's pretty obvious. Then there's just a lot of rambling lies and half-truths.

    What I find hilarious is that you can always pinpoint the Fox News and Beck listeners because they post whatever the talking points were the day or weekend before.

    The new attack is that Obama is "smug" and lo and behold, here's jockfever quoting it verbatim.


    Oh yes, it's so racist that it features people of basically every race as the "american people" and when it talks about our children's future it shows black children -- how racist!. That's just SOOOO racist it's just an abomination!
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    Oct 25, 2010 9:13 PM GMT
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    Videos like this reflect the fact that about two-thirds of Americans reject Obama and his statist agenda. Each day since taking office he appears more smug, arrogant, and out-of-touch.

    In election after election voters have rejected Obama's lackeys.

    It looks like the November 2, 2010 elections could result in substantial Republican gains in the House, Senate, and governorships.

    Hopefully Speaker Pelousy will be kicked off her throne, and the cadaverous Harry Reid will be retired.


    Please, please, please! If you're going to be so opinionated and antagonistic at least have the good sense to check your facts before doing so.

    The latest RCP polling average has Obama's approval rating at 46.4% and his disapproval at 48.4%, a far cry from two-thirds of Americans. (As a comparison, Bush left his presidency with a 69% disapproval rating, second only to Nixon, and during the course of his presidency held the lowest ever approval rating at 19%)

    There hasn't been a general election since '08 so no one has been rejected so far. As far as the primary's are concerned, Republican incumbents have had just as hard a time, if not worse, than Democrat incumbents have. They've certainly gotten more attention in the media.

    This is part of the problem, both sides (Repubs/Dems; Conservatives/Liberals) bullshit with impunity and too many people are content to tow the party/ideological line and accept it as gospel truth.
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    Oct 25, 2010 9:24 PM GMT
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    wrestlervic saidAnd absolutely nothing will be done for the next two-years: no climate-change policies, no infrastructure jobs, they will probably abolish any sort of fines on car companies that make low mpg, high-polluting cars, we will be further dependent on gas, gays will be permanently forced back into the closet with fines or jail or death for being gay, power will continue to go to the richest, companies will have free-will to do whatever they want to consumers with no legal ramifications, you might as well forget health-care, Kaiser and the other companies will milk you dry and you will not be able to afford it anymore.

    Then........Republicans will win in 2012, and if you think what you read above is bad, it will get even worse.

    Take your pick.


    Why would you be in favor of fining car manufacturers? Wow, you REALLY want to kill our economy don't you. What about incentives for doing things environmentally friendly, haven't you thought of that? Climate change policies are job killers -- they just drive businesses overseas. Unless every country in the world had the same policies, it's not going to work, it will just export jobs to foreign countries like China who could care less about the environment and the pollution output will be the same or worse for the world as a whole anyway.



    My first job out of college was working for the EPA in Ann Arbor, Michigan, the place where they do the fuel economy and emissions testings for new cars. American car manufacturers are lazy, stupid, and will do just about anything to get away with producing cheap crappy cars. They need to be watched.

    I never got why people are so against government intervention. I see government's role as stepping in when the "free" market takes advantage of consumers.
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    Oct 25, 2010 9:32 PM GMT
    Why don't we just step away from all terms and ideologies and begin in a vacuum.

    Firstly, and without resorting to name calling: what is effectually wrong with America today?
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    Oct 25, 2010 9:36 PM GMT
    makavelli saidWhy don't we just step away from all terms and ideologies and begin in a vacuum.

    Firstly, and without resorting to name calling: what is effectually wrong with America today?


    This is what's wrong with America. Good ideas come along to improve problems. Then, instead of making the OBVIOUS right decisions (something a two-year old could do), it becomes a beckering problem and nothing gets done.

    Cars are polluting. Let's make them better. No, let's not.

    We are dependent on gas. Let's change that. No, let's dick around about it.

    Someone said, maybe it was Obama, "Washington is a place where good ideas go to die." I can't think of a better way to put it.
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    Oct 25, 2010 9:41 PM GMT
    Stop watching fox news
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    Oct 25, 2010 9:48 PM GMT
    Posiden saidStop watching fox news


    If it's FOX, it ain't "News."

    It's propaganda.
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    makavelli saidWhy don't we just step away from all terms and ideologies and begin in a vacuum.

    Firstly, and without resorting to name calling: what is effectually wrong with America today?


    I'll play. The primary problem in American today, is the enormous gulf in income between the extremely rich and the vast majority of Americans. Short of that being evened up, the country is on a decline to strife, increasing crime and possible political violence from the left and the right.

    Beyond that, I would agree with wrestlervic that we used to be a country that got things done. That was a leader in education, science, standard of living, health care, civil rights. etc. That was the premise behind "American exceptionalism". Unfortunately, that exceptionalism is gone and we are increasingly not only not exceptional, but falling further behind in a many of those categories.
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    Oct 25, 2010 10:12 PM GMT
    Why is America remaining overly dependent on automobiles in the first place, it is environmentally disastrous and highly irresponsible. Cars are among the most dangerous modern invention. Thousands of lives are needlessly lost every year in auto accidents. Look at the tremendous amount of valuable land that is wasted on accomodating the automobile. Why not expand high speed rail and upgrade our freight rail systems along with expanded public transit in both cities and suburbs. We should completely cut out the highway subsidies for new superhighways and the interstate highway network should be declared 100% completed by federal law and all proposed interstate additions like the proposed I-69 NAFTA superhighway from Indianapolis, IN to Laredo, TX should be permanently dropped. The money being earmarked for these new roads should then be allocated to high speed rail, freight rail service, public transit, and improvements at all the nation's airports. The only roads that should get any funding are existing roads for preventive maintenence and repair and not for conversion into limited access superhighways.
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    Oct 25, 2010 10:26 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidWhy is America remaining overly dependent on automobiles in the first place, it is environmentally disastrous and highly irresponsible. Cars are among the most dangerous modern invention. Thousands of lives are needlessly lost every year in auto accidents. Look at the tremendous amount of valuable land that is wasted on accomodating the automobile. Why not expand high speed rail and upgrade our freight rail systems along with expanded public transit in both cities and suburbs. We should completely cut out the highway subsidies for new superhighways and the interstate highway network should be declared 100% completed by federal law and all proposed interstate additions like the proposed I-69 NAFTA superhighway from Indianapolis, IN to Laredo, TX should be permanently dropped. The money being earmarked for these new roads should then be allocated to high speed rail, freight rail service, public transit, and improvements at all the nation's airports. The only roads that should get any funding are existing roads for preventive maintenence and repair and not for conversion into limited access superhighways.

    Common now you should know the answer to this:

    1. Our population density is far FAR below Europe and East Asia which is why we don't have high speed rail. High speed rail only works in areas with ridiculously high population density, which is why the only high speed rail lines being built in America are in the Northeast.

    2. Oil corporations have a say in our politics though lobbying/donations. The less people drive the less profit oil companies get: $$$.

    3. America has been a "Car Culture" since the 1900's.
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    Oct 25, 2010 10:38 PM GMT
    Another thing that is hurting America is all the powerful influence of religion on our public policies especially influence from the primitive minded, right wing fundamentalists and their naive followers. All other first world nations are very secular and are advancing quite rapidly in education and scientific research. The US is starting to fall behind due to distrust and rejection of scientific fact and free thinking due largely to the negative, poisonous influence of religion, particularly the right wing fundamentalism. The US unfortunately acts like a third world nation with its embracing of religion and belief that the bible is literally true when in reality the bible is basically nothing more than ancient fairy tales. It is time for America to join the other wealthy, first world nations by becoming much more secular and rejecting the superstitious beliefs and punitive strictures of religion. This will help America remain a prominent world leader.
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    Oct 25, 2010 10:43 PM GMT
    Posidan, population density is totally irrelevent to the effectiveness of high speed rail. That is just an old, shopworn excuse. America can no longer afford to be a car based culture because of the rising energy and environmental costs. High speed rail makes good sense for our country. That is all just propaganda from the automakers and oil companies that America is too vast for high speed rail.
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    Oct 25, 2010 10:48 PM GMT
    makavelli saidWhy don't we just step away from all terms and ideologies and begin in a vacuum.

    Firstly, and without resorting to name calling: what is effectually wrong with America today?


    I think, first and foremost, we need to change the way we run elections in this country. We need campaign finance reform--especially in light of the Roberts Court ruling in the Citizens United v Federal Election Commission case. We as individual citizens will have much more influence over our elected officials once corporations, unions, and other organizations are no longer allowed to buy elections.

    At one point, Boehner (the next likely Majority Leader of the House) hinted at the possibility of being open to discuss allowing the Bush era tax cuts for those making over $250,000 to expire. This infuriated his conservative (and to that point, generous) supporters. Soon after, Boehner spoke with them, he retracted any potential compromise on the issue. Whether you agree with the tax cuts or not, that's wrong. He displayed leadership, a willingness to listen and to reach across the isle and work to get things done and he was punished for it.
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    Oct 25, 2010 10:52 PM GMT
    Recent History lesson never learned

    .... If You Think that a republican led congress is going to anything to help this economy ....why would you think that?

    We've done the cutting Corporate taxes ...... cut regulation Salsa dance and look where it got us
    When someone comes and hits you across the top of your head .... a little advice .... don't reply with Thank You Sir I'll Have another

    ... if they (the republicans0 take one or both houses of Congress, complete policy paralysis — which will mean, among other things, a cutoff of desperately needed aid to the unemployed and a freeze on further help for state and local governments — is a given. The only question is whether we’ll have political chaos as well, with Republicans’ shutting down the government at some point over the next two years. And the odds are that we will.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/25/opinion/25krugman.html?_r=1&hp
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    Oct 25, 2010 11:15 PM GMT
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    wrestlervic saidAnd absolutely nothing will be done for the next two-years: no climate-change policies, no infrastructure jobs, they will probably abolish any sort of fines on car companies that make low mpg, high-polluting cars, we will be further dependent on gas, gays will be permanently forced back into the closet with fines or jail or death for being gay, power will continue to go to the richest, companies will have free-will to do whatever they want to consumers with no legal ramifications, you might as well forget health-care, Kaiser and the other companies will milk you dry and you will not be able to afford it anymore.

    Then........Republicans will win in 2012, and if you think what you read above is bad, it will get even worse.

    Take your pick.


    Why would you be in favor of fining car manufacturers? Wow, you REALLY want to kill our economy don't you. What about incentives for doing things environmentally friendly, haven't you thought of that? Climate change policies are job killers -- they just drive businesses overseas. Unless every country in the world had the same policies, it's not going to work, it will just export jobs to foreign countries like China who could care less about the environment and the pollution output will be the same or worse for the world as a whole anyway.



    My first job out of college was working for the EPA in Ann Arbor, Michigan, the place where they do the fuel economy and emissions testings for new cars. American car manufacturers are lazy, stupid, and will do just about anything to get away with producing cheap crappy cars. They need to be watched.

    I never got why people are so against government intervention. I see government's role as stepping in when the "free" market takes advantage of consumers.


    But your idea, while I agree with it, doesn't work in the real world. That's the difference in our line of thinking. Can't you figure that out? It's like you telling me: "we should end child poverty". Great, wonderful idea, I'm all for it! Will it happen? No, so why talk about it?

    If the government decides to punish companies who do not go according to some constructed environmental standards they will simply move abroad and we will lose more jobs and the total output of pollution will be the same anyway, it will just be going on somewhere else in the world. So if you want to figure out a way where the entire world has the very same regulation and can agree on it, then you'll be talking about something feasible.

    The only solution is to create tax incentives and other incentives for going according to environmental standards.
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    Oct 26, 2010 12:09 AM GMT
    wrestlervic said
    makavelli saidWhy don't we just step away from all terms and ideologies and begin in a vacuum.

    Firstly, and without resorting to name calling: what is effectually wrong with America today?


    This is what's wrong with America. Good ideas come along to improve problems. Then, instead of making the OBVIOUS right decisions (something a two-year old could do), it becomes a beckering problem and nothing gets done.

    Cars are polluting. Let's make them better. No, let's not.

    We are dependent on gas. Let's change that. No, let's dick around about it.

    Someone said, maybe it was Obama, "Washington is a place where good ideas go to die." I can't think of a better way to put it.


    These answers are obvious to you for a plethora of reasons native to just you.

    I'm not saying I'm disagreeing, in fact I agree. But reason is something we use to boil down our debates to the benchmarking of root causes and common viewpoints.

    To go with your points, yes cars and oil are severe problems facing America. They're connected obviously as well, but until the alternative is presented, like green energy that can truly power cities (which I'm of the Dan Carlin school of thinking that says we need a Manhattan Project For Energy) then we will use, as a consumer and voting public, cognitive dissonance and pleasureful distractions to keep us from truly facing reality.

    That's a good quote about Washington, but we have to wonder if these problems would be so severe had we the intelligent, august figures of the 18th and 19th century America. Abraham Lincoln for instance, would have debates that lasted up to 7 hours! And crowds FLOCKED!

    7 fucking hours! Can you imagine that kind of style of debate in today's politics where they don't wanna run over a new episode of some shit reality show?

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    Christian73 said
    makavelli saidWhy don't we just step away from all terms and ideologies and begin in a vacuum.

    Firstly, and without resorting to name calling: what is effectually wrong with America today?


    I'll play. The primary problem in American today, is the enormous gulf in income between the extremely rich and the vast majority of Americans. Short of that being evened up, the country is on a decline to strife, increasing crime and possible political violence from the left and the right.

    Beyond that, I would agree with wrestlervic that we used to be a country that got things done. That was a leader in education, science, standard of living, health care, civil rights. etc. That was the premise behind "American exceptionalism". Unfortunately, that exceptionalism is gone and we are increasingly not only not exceptional, but falling further behind in a many of those categories.


    This is where I think we do good to forgo ideological labels because we can trace all these back to those in power, regardless of name or party, who made through a widely varied process of decision-making, the policies that forfeited what made America great.

    To talk in terms of even liberals this and conservatives that creates animosity and poisons the debate.

    So right now we've gotten somewhere. And I would (re)introduce the lobbying system, as others have already mentioned, as being of a root cause to America's problems.

    It's not Big Business or Big Government that creates problems, it's when they collude at the expense of we the people.