The Silent Majority

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    Oct 25, 2010 9:00 PM GMT
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/10/24/194237/64

    Tea-baggers may be counter productive to their own cause and message?
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    Oct 25, 2010 9:06 PM GMT
    Totally disconnected from reality. Author doesn't even understand what the tea party movement is about.
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    Oct 25, 2010 9:19 PM GMT
    The attendance at the Stewart/Colbert rally will be a good example of that "silent majority" visibly manifesting itself . We will then see if the author of that piece is all that disconnected from reality.

    I suspect he is right that the raucus tactics turns off more swing voters than it appeals to and gives stronger motivation to get the vote out against the teabaggers.
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    Oct 25, 2010 9:21 PM GMT
    I think the author makes a lot of sense.

    With Bachmann, Angle, Palin, O'Connell and others, America is starting to get "crazy fatigue."

    Thank God.
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    Oct 25, 2010 9:45 PM GMT
    O'Donnell did more for Democrat enthusiasm than Obama ever could. "We need to rally so this crazy bitch doesn't take office"
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    Oct 25, 2010 10:01 PM GMT
    Certainly, the polls are closing in and mostly in favor of Democrats. That doesn't mean that they won't lose the House, but I do think they'll keep the majority. And, I think he is more prescient in terms of what will be the long-term view of those candidates (Angle, Bachmann, Paul) that may very well win, but that "silent majority" is going to expect them to govern. And they won't. Instead they will launch "investigations" into Obama's citizenship and they will vote the Republican Party line that will not benefit the majority of middle-class Americans who have been bamboozled by the Koch brothers and Dick Armey, but the corporations and rich folks that are the Republicans bread and butter. If that's the case, I think not only will Obama win reelection but the control of the House will also be short-lived.
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    Oct 25, 2010 10:04 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidCertainly, the polls are closing in and mostly in favor of Democrats. That doesn't mean that they won't lose the House, but I do think they'll keep the majority. And, I think he is more prescient in terms of what will be the long-term view of those candidates (Angle, Bachmann, Paul) that may very well win, but that "silent majority" is going to expect them to govern. And they won't. Instead they will launch "investigations" into Obama's citizenship and they will vote the Republican Party line that will not benefit the majority of middle-class Americans who have been bamboozled by the Koch brothers and Dick Armey, but the corporations and rich folks that are the Republicans bread and butter. If that's the case, I think not only will Obama win reelection but the control of the House will also be short-lived.


    Coming from someone who is at the far end of extreme of the political spectrum? Sorry, the opinion just doesn't wash with the Tea Partiers who are coming out as far more mainstream and less extremist than their (sometimes violent) detractors in many cases.
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    Oct 25, 2010 10:09 PM GMT
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    Christian73 saidCertainly, the polls are closing in and mostly in favor of Democrats. That doesn't mean that they won't lose the House, but I do think they'll keep the majority. And, I think he is more prescient in terms of what will be the long-term view of those candidates (Angle, Bachmann, Paul) that may very well win, but that "silent majority" is going to expect them to govern. And they won't. Instead they will launch "investigations" into Obama's citizenship and they will vote the Republican Party line that will not benefit the majority of middle-class Americans who have been bamboozled by the Koch brothers and Dick Armey, but the corporations and rich folks that are the Republicans bread and butter. If that's the case, I think not only will Obama win reelection but the control of the House will also be short-lived.


    Coming from someone who is at the far end of extreme of the political spectrum? Sorry, the opinion just doesn't wash with the Tea Partiers who are coming out as far more mainstream and less extremist than their (sometimes violent) detractors in many cases.


    Please cite just one example of the extremist and violent Tea Party detractors. I don't recall Obama calling for "second Amendment" remedies. I'm hard pressed to find a Democrat who wants to force women raped by their father's to bear his child. I haven't seen a Democratic ad that plays obviously on racism against Hispanics. And I haven't seen someone on the left saying that there's no separation of Church and State.

    Frankly, putting aside our differences, you're too smart to have actually drank the Kool-Aid of the Tea Baggers. You know it's mostly AstroTurf bullshit pushing the agenda of the rich and powerful corporations.
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    Oct 25, 2010 10:21 PM GMT
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    Christian73 saidCertainly, the polls are closing in and mostly in favor of Democrats. That doesn't mean that they won't lose the House, but I do think they'll keep the majority. And, I think he is more prescient in terms of what will be the long-term view of those candidates (Angle, Bachmann, Paul) that may very well win, but that "silent majority" is going to expect them to govern. And they won't. Instead they will launch "investigations" into Obama's citizenship and they will vote the Republican Party line that will not benefit the majority of middle-class Americans who have been bamboozled by the Koch brothers and Dick Armey, but the corporations and rich folks that are the Republicans bread and butter. If that's the case, I think not only will Obama win reelection but the control of the House will also be short-lived.


    Coming from someone who is at the far end of extreme of the political spectrum? Sorry, the opinion just doesn't wash with the Tea Partiers who are coming out as far more mainstream and less extremist than their (sometimes violent) detractors in many cases.


    Please cite just one example of the extremist and violent Tea Party detractors. I don't recall Obama calling for "second Amendment" remedies. I'm hard pressed to find a Democrat who wants to force women raped by their father's to bear his child. I haven't seen a Democratic ad that plays obviously on racism against Hispanics. And I haven't seen someone on the left saying that there's no separation of Church and State.

    Frankly, putting aside our differences, you're too smart to have actually drank the Kool-Aid of the Tea Baggers. You know it's mostly AstroTurf bullshit pushing the agenda of the rich and powerful corporations.


    Corporate interests like the ones of companies bailed out now giving generously to Democrats?
    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/10/firms_who_received_bailout_cas.html

    Violence like the paid union "counter protesters" beating up a Black man?
    http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/seton-motley/2010/04/08/you-want-actual-tea-party-violence-reminder-seiu-thugs-beat-conservati

    Sorry, I side with at least the ideals of the Tea Partiers as apparently a majority of Americans do in some opinion polls rejecting some of the largescale changes aimed at transforming the US economy like the healthcare bill which I presume you would acknowledge doesn't even solve any of the problems that initial supporters claimed it would.
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    Oct 25, 2010 11:07 PM GMT
    This is emblematic of the slew that they are trying to pawn on us

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    The 10 most terrifying would-be congressmen
    http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/10/25/under_radar_candidates/slideshow.html
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    Oct 25, 2010 11:17 PM GMT
    riddler78 saidSorry, I side with at least the ideals of the Tea Partiers as apparently a majority of Americans do in some opinion polls rejecting some of the largescale changes aimed at transforming the US economy like the healthcare bill which I presume you would acknowledge doesn't even solve any of the problems that initial supporters claimed it would.


    You teabaggers are so delusional. The majority of Americans agree with the health care bill and think it doesn't go far enough.

    Nothing more than a cult of paranoia.
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    Oct 25, 2010 11:19 PM GMT
    GQjock saidThis is emblematic of the slew that they are trying to pawn on us

    md_horiz.jpg

    The 10 most terrifying would-be congressmen
    http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/10/25/under_radar_candidates/slideshow.html


    Great... any idea how they're doing in the polls?
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    Oct 25, 2010 11:21 PM GMT
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    riddler78 saidSorry, I side with at least the ideals of the Tea Partiers as apparently a majority of Americans do in some opinion polls rejecting some of the largescale changes aimed at transforming the US economy like the healthcare bill which I presume you would acknowledge doesn't even solve any of the problems that initial supporters claimed it would.


    You teabaggers are so delusional. The majority of Americans agree with the health care bill and think it doesn't go far enough.

    Nothing more than a cult of paranoia.


    Yep, that's why Harry Reid and Pelosi are loved by the majority of Americans (the ones who wanted to go "all the way", mind you).
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    Oct 25, 2010 11:23 PM GMT
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    riddler78 saidSorry, I side with at least the ideals of the Tea Partiers as apparently a majority of Americans do in some opinion polls rejecting some of the largescale changes aimed at transforming the US economy like the healthcare bill which I presume you would acknowledge doesn't even solve any of the problems that initial supporters claimed it would.


    You teabaggers are so delusional. The majority of Americans agree with the health care bill and think it doesn't go far enough.

    Nothing more than a cult of paranoia.


    Yep, that's why Harry Reid and Pelosi are loved by the majority of Americans (the ones who wanted to go "all the way", mind you).


    I hate democrats, but I hate republicans a lot more.
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    Oct 25, 2010 11:24 PM GMT
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    riddler78 saidSorry, I side with at least the ideals of the Tea Partiers as apparently a majority of Americans do in some opinion polls rejecting some of the largescale changes aimed at transforming the US economy like the healthcare bill which I presume you would acknowledge doesn't even solve any of the problems that initial supporters claimed it would.


    You teabaggers are so delusional. The majority of Americans agree with the health care bill and think it doesn't go far enough.

    Nothing more than a cult of paranoia.


    Yep, that's why Harry Reid and Pelosi are loved by the majority of Americans (the ones who wanted to go "all the way", mind you).


    I hate democrats, but I hate republicans a lot more.


    Why?
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    Oct 25, 2010 11:26 PM GMT
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    Posiden said
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    riddler78 saidSorry, I side with at least the ideals of the Tea Partiers as apparently a majority of Americans do in some opinion polls rejecting some of the largescale changes aimed at transforming the US economy like the healthcare bill which I presume you would acknowledge doesn't even solve any of the problems that initial supporters claimed it would.


    You teabaggers are so delusional. The majority of Americans agree with the health care bill and think it doesn't go far enough.

    Nothing more than a cult of paranoia.


    Yep, that's why Harry Reid and Pelosi are loved by the majority of Americans (the ones who wanted to go "all the way", mind you).


    I hate democrats, but I hate republicans a lot more.


    Why?


    If Republicans lost their socially conservative, bible thumping, backward, "the poor are poor because they're lazy" thinking I would vote for them in a heartbeat.
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    Oct 25, 2010 11:31 PM GMT
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    riddler78 saidSorry, I side with at least the ideals of the Tea Partiers as apparently a majority of Americans do in some opinion polls rejecting some of the largescale changes aimed at transforming the US economy like the healthcare bill which I presume you would acknowledge doesn't even solve any of the problems that initial supporters claimed it would.


    You teabaggers are so delusional. The majority of Americans agree with the health care bill and think it doesn't go far enough.


    No, you're both wrong. The I'm not sure what the current stat is, but as far as I'm aware the highest support for health care overhaul was a little over 48%, less than a majority. American support for the TEA Party is even less than that.

    And riddler, some interesting statistic regarding TEA Parties for you to think about:

    82% do not believe that gay and lesbian couples should have the legal right to marry, and that about 52% believed that "lesbians and gays have too much political power."

    They are an overwhelmingly socially conservative group and some have shifted their focus from taxes and the federal deficit to the social agenda and they are quite loud.
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    Oct 25, 2010 11:33 PM GMT
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    riddler78 saidSorry, I side with at least the ideals of the Tea Partiers as apparently a majority of Americans do in some opinion polls rejecting some of the largescale changes aimed at transforming the US economy like the healthcare bill which I presume you would acknowledge doesn't even solve any of the problems that initial supporters claimed it would.


    You teabaggers are so delusional. The majority of Americans agree with the health care bill and think it doesn't go far enough.

    Nothing more than a cult of paranoia.


    Yep, that's why Harry Reid and Pelosi are loved by the majority of Americans (the ones who wanted to go "all the way", mind you).


    I hate democrats, but I hate republicans a lot more.


    Why?


    If Republicans lost their socially conservative, bible thumping, backward, "the poor are poor because they're lazy" thinking I would vote for them in a heartbeat.


    But we have to help them move in a socially tolerant direction to be consistent with their own ideas about freedom and liberty. Otherwise, they are more aligned with the true principles of liberalism. I think many republicans are making progress on issues such as gay rights and they will continue to move more in that direction.
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    Oct 25, 2010 11:37 PM GMT
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    Posiden said
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    riddler78 saidSorry, I side with at least the ideals of the Tea Partiers as apparently a majority of Americans do in some opinion polls rejecting some of the largescale changes aimed at transforming the US economy like the healthcare bill which I presume you would acknowledge doesn't even solve any of the problems that initial supporters claimed it would.


    You teabaggers are so delusional. The majority of Americans agree with the health care bill and think it doesn't go far enough.

    Nothing more than a cult of paranoia.


    Yep, that's why Harry Reid and Pelosi are loved by the majority of Americans (the ones who wanted to go "all the way", mind you).


    I hate democrats, but I hate republicans a lot more.


    Why?


    If Republicans lost their socially conservative, bible thumping, backward, "the poor are poor because they're lazy" thinking I would vote for them in a heartbeat.


    But we have to help them move in a socially tolerant direction to be consistent with their own ideas about freedom and liberty. Otherwise, they are more aligned with the true principles of liberalism. I think many republicans are making progress on issues such as gay rights and they will continue to move more in that direction.


    Besides the fact that to this very day Republicans use anti-gay, "if you're not a Christian you're bad" rhetoric to draw voters. Plus, gay rights is only one of the many social issues they are conservative about. If the Republicans want to control their own fates they need to take Glenn Beck/Karl Rove/Fox News out of the equation.
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    Oct 26, 2010 1:17 AM GMT
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    Posiden said

    I hate democrats, but I hate republicans a lot more.


    Why?


    This.

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    Neoconservatives have made a mess of our nation, and continue their forked tongue nonsense. Any person siding with those who would see their own kind oppressed and treated as less than equal has got to be a self-loathing sycophant fascist-collaborator hoping that their boot licking behavior will spare them an execution.

    My vote is a choice between candidates who have views on issues. I cast my vote primarily for those candidates who's views are for the better good of all (not just my own good). I also cast my vote for candidates who can win and bring effective governance.

    From a party perspective, I have less in common with Republicans, than Democrats. I have commonalities with Progressives, Libertarians, and Green party, but they generally don't have good chances to win, so why waste my vote.

    Until the Republican party gets back into the realm of sanity, I'm quite happy voting for Democratic party candidates and others who have souls.