Immigration from professionals from the 3rd world to the 1st world...

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    Mar 08, 2008 9:01 PM GMT
    Hey guys, I know this is not exactly a gay topic, but something that might concern to everybody and well... the point is... what do you think about very well prepared people from 3rd world countries that immigrate to the 1st world countries?, is just that i've been thinking about moving either to London (uk) Or Toronto (Canada) as soon as i finish university here, but in general... what do you think about that?
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    Mar 08, 2008 9:17 PM GMT
    I have a split opinion.... 1 part of me thinks you should stay in your home country and work to improve the conditions, because a single talented person can have a greater impact in an area lacking professional skills. The PEACE CORP will send who they want, where they want, you know what is needed and who needs it.... A second part of me agrees that you need to GTFO and go to a "1st world country". You don't owe any thing to any place...take care of yourself...
    Bottom line...do what your conscience tells you is the right thing to do..and makes you happy.
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    Mar 09, 2008 1:20 AM GMT
    I wonder why they do it...

    I keep getting Resumes from South American, Polish Eastern Europe people with masters degrees (mostly business, IT and humanities) from good universities applying for crap retail jobs

    Hell there's one guy finishing off an MBA (all be the worst MBA i've yet to come across), I'd question how well prepared you are and recommend if your fresh out of uni getting some experience down in your country, preferably in a company with an international presence, then you can walk into an entry level job with some prospects.

    That or transfer across to a good american/western european university for a year or more of study. As a proper student not one of the many mass students shipped across on study abroad programs

    If you have a good technical degree physical science, medicine, engineering, accountancy you can generally do a lot better
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    Mar 09, 2008 4:47 AM GMT
    I'm all for it. Immigration built this country. Immigration provides a current source of economic vitality. To those who think America is a great place to live, I say it is because we continually receive a fresh stream of motivated, smart people whose cultures invigorate our own.

    Bring 'em!
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    Mar 09, 2008 5:02 AM GMT
    I may catch hell for this but I think blind loyalty to a country is for chumps and just a tool politicians use to get the general public to do stuff. When it comes down to it, the people who run a given country don't give a rat's ass about me and probably even about the country itself in many cases, so I don't see why I should. Instead, I choose to focus on my family's best interests, since those people do actually reciprocate. So.. I'd suggest that you do whatever you think is in the best interests of you, your current family or those you're close to, and your future family if you plan to have one.
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    Mar 09, 2008 6:49 AM GMT
    Rune saidI may catch hell for this but I think blind loyalty to a country is for chumps and just a tool politicians use to get the general public to do stuff. When it comes down to it, the people who run a given country don't give a rat's ass about me and probably even about the country itself in many cases, so I don't see why I should. Instead, I choose to focus on my family's best interests, since those people do actually reciprocate. So.. I'd suggest that you do whatever you think is in the best interests of you, your current family or those you're close to, and your future family if you plan to have one.


    Completely agree with Rune. That is actually the case with several countries I am familiar with or have some connection to. When it comes down to it, it's your life, and you only get one, so do what's best for you and your happiness.
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    Mar 09, 2008 7:05 AM GMT
    Go Flako Go!

    You can't do any wrong in moving? Its all experience and you may one day think about what you had missed!


    Try europe and that will expand your mind and educate you in how we europeans are?
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    Mar 09, 2008 3:36 PM GMT
    Just Do It.
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    Mar 10, 2008 6:24 AM GMT
    RuneI may catch hell for this but I think blind loyalty to a country is for chumps and just a tool politicians use to get the general public to do stuff.


    I actually agree.

    I'm not totally anarchist since AT THIS TIME, we do still need nation-states. But I hope that before I die, at least I get to see the beginning of a true world government. The European Union is already taking the first steps. I also personally don't feel allegiance to my country. Just the little bit of pride at seeing countrymen succeed and stuff, but never blinding nationalism.

    Sporty_g1 part of me thinks you should stay in your home country and work to improve the conditions, because a single talented person can have a greater impact in an area lacking professional skills.


    AMT87I wonder why they do it...


    Like flako07 I'm also planning to work abroad. I would prefer Canada, UK, or Australia, and I may still go there. But as of now, my sisters and brothers are helping me. I got two sisters abroad and married to foreigners. One's in Belgium and the other's in Florida.

    I speak only for myself and for most filipinos, since we are one of the countries with the largest 'exported' labor population. Here's WHY:

    First and foremost is FAMILY.

    A dream to provide a better life for the parents and/or spouse and kids back home, it's almost always a part of a filipino's greatest ambitions.

    Almost all filipino workers abroad are sending money back to relatives back home. They endure harsh working conditions and relatively low pay (in the country they are working on) just so they can help back home. Like AMT87, I've seen instances of Medical Doctors settling with working as nurses abroad. Engineers as carpenters. College graduates as waiters in coffee shops.

    The jobs may be considered shitty, a step below the normal 'rung' on the 'job ladder' than where they would've been back home, and pays low wages to boot. But, believe it or not, the money they get from it is MORE than anything they can ever hope to receive back home.

    Our government actually encourages overseas workers. We supply nurses, manual laborers, caregivers, household servants, etc. (basically jobs you guys would barely touch) to countries that need them. Canada, New Zealand, the US, the UK, South Korea etc. are just some.

    The mere fact that they send money back home IS helping our country. It's working to help alleviate economic depression and inflation. Ever since the government has started supporting labor export, the economy has started to improve. THIS is the best way we can think of to help our country actually. We have no other major exports (no oil, luxury goods, etc.), and this is the only way we can deal with the worsening import/export ratio that's battering our currency down in the world market. Just imagine that back here, the average MONTHLY salary is scarcely around $100. Being an island country, we have to import a lot of goods, including oil.

    As for being prepared, I am not aiming for any of the usual jobs being taken. I'm a 3d game assets artist and they tend to have people working from all over anyway (especially Japanese, Koreans, and Chinese artists, but they rarely venture into western game development though). icon_razz.gif The game industry is quite small actually, so I won't be displacing anyone. I hope to get some more experience before I set foot abroad, but I'm already doing that working for a group of game development enthusiasts like me. We have several professionals on the team. One of them has been featured on a well known digital artists magazine. The game itself has received mention in PCGamer once. icon_razz.gif So yeah, I'm getting my portfolio ready as well as referrals for later.

    Another reason of course, is personal comfort. It's STIFLING to be born in a country where you can never fully realize your potential. icon_sad.gif I know the world isn't fair, but still. If given the chance to be somewhere else where you can pursue your dreams to the fullest extent, then why not?

    Then there's the wanderlust most of us have in us. icon_razz.gif To experience new cultures, new languages, new friends. That's something a lot would understand.

    And last of my reasons is finding a boyfriend. LOL. I can't do that here. icon_sad.gif The guys here are just too SIMILAR to me. LOL. Boring. And yeah... I have a thing for Caucasians. icon_sad.gif (Again, that's NOT racism icon_razz.gif)

    So there.

    P.S. I can see the potential of a flame war in this thread... LOL
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    Mar 10, 2008 7:05 AM GMT
    For me, the primary reason to migrate to the west would be to get out of my semi- closeted state. However, I don't know if I would necessarily take that step.

    What I don't like is when people migrate to the West and then try to create a home away from home to such an extent that interacting with the west becomes anathema to them. I'm fed of meeting people who work/live in the West and come back to India saying how the East is better than the West, how we have more morals, etc,etc.
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    Mar 11, 2008 8:59 AM GMT
    Totally get you, closetsinger. hehe. Recreating your home country in another country is just plain dumb. Chinatowns, Little Cubas, etc. are cool and all, but I do think they foster insularism and xenophobia. I mean, the reason for immigration is to be assimilated, right? icon_razz.gif

    Even my mates complain of foreign nationals who immigrate to Australia or Canada and barely speak a word of English. And much worse, don't do anything to learn it. Instead, grouping together with their own nationalities and keeping away from the 'decadent' westerners. :S I don't get it.
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    Mar 12, 2008 5:05 AM GMT
    Well.. 1st of all thanks for all ur comments, and well... the main reeason for me to leave would be growing up, since I was raised here by nuns and grew up in a very traditional cathoic environment, i mean... i love my beliefs and all that stuff that the british /french nuns told me once lol, and If i move to another country it wont be because of $$$$, i mean... of course i'll need a job, but my parents offered me to pay a year out, wherevere i decide, so i have to think very well and plan it carefully, I think that london would be a better option 8instead of Canada) because of the cultural life, but... what do u think? any other suggestions?icon_biggrin.gif