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Mar 08, 2008 11:20 PM GMT
So I'm going to be going on the master cleanse in a few days with some friends and I was just curious what you all thought about it.
Basically the Master Cleanse is a colon cleanse. For 10 days you don't eat food. You drink this mixture of lemon juice, cyan pepper, and maple syrup durring the day, all day. And at night you have laxative herbal tea. The result is suposed to be a healthier system. It is suposed to removed a lot of the gunk trapped in your digestive track. You do loose weight on it obviously, but after you start eating again you're suposed to gain half of it back.
I'm doing it to cleanse myself, to loose a little fat, and the kick a few bad snacking habbits. When I'm done with it I plan on only eating healthy balanced meals and am doing this as a way of seperating the old with the new.
http://www.therawfoodsite.com/mastercleanse.htm
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Mar 09, 2008 1:24 AM GMT
Sounds interesting. Please keep us informed and tell us how things work out.
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Mar 09, 2008 1:56 AM GMT
Well, here's the thing...gunk doesn't get trapped in your digestive tract. These claims are a crock. What will be cleansed is your wallet, guaranteed. The digestive tract, unless it is inflamed by influenza, ravaged by colitis, snaked with a tapeworm, etc., is a healthy, pink, perpetually renewed surface that looks good even on oooooold guys who've eaten garbage most of their lives. I'd do a little more looking around, skeptically. Here's a start: http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/gastro.htmlhttp://skepdic.com/vitacon.html#9http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/colon-cleansing/AN00065http://www.livescience.com/health/060808_bad_colon.html |
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Mar 09, 2008 3:41 AM GMT
Gunk does not get trapped in your digestive track. Think of your digestive track like your sinus in terms of things getting stuck up there, eventually the mucus removes whatever is stuck.
Your digestive track has mucus plus, strong acids and enzymes to break down the things you eat, all the while in constant motion. Unless you have a bowel obstruction (intestinal obstruction) which can become a serious medical issue.
Mechanical obstruction occurs when movement of material through the intestines is physically blocked. The mechanical causes of obstruction are numerous and may include the following:
* Hernias
* Postoperative adhesions or scar tissue
* Impacted feces (stool)
* Gallstones
* Tumors blocking the intestines
* Granulomatous processes (abnormal tissue growth)
* Intussusception
* Volvulus (twisted intestine)
* Foreign bodies (ingested materials that obstruct the intestines)
The causes of paralytic ileus may include the following: (Non mechanical)
* Medications, especially narcotics
* Intraperitoneal infection
* Mesenteric ischemia (decreased blood supply to the support structures in the abdomen)
* Injury to the abdominal blood supply
* Complications of intra-abdominal surgery
* Kidney or thoracic disease
* Metabolic disturbances (such as decreased potassium levels)
If you have any of these problems you should seek medical attention.
If you don't not suffer from these symptoms you are only doing "The master cleanse" for the weight-loss.
All the sugar you are going to ingest will be putting a lot of stress on your endocrine and digestive systems. Which will only cause your body to become very conservative and slow your metabolism and then your body will begin converting all excess sugar you eat into fat for later use as energy. Another problem with high sugar consumption is the tendency to raise the level of triglycerides in the blood. High triglyceride levels are common in people with type 2 diabetes and are a risk factor for coronary heart disease. High sugar intakes may further increase this risk.
Try eating healthy, exercising, and possibly increasing your dietary fiber intake.
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Mar 09, 2008 3:43 AM GMT
I guess I took too long to reply lol
mickey beat me to it
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Mar 09, 2008 3:34 AM GMT
Mickey and EM3 above are giving excellent advice. From what I've read (and I didn't check out Mickey's links yet), these so-called colon cleanses are extremely dangerous because they also expel some vital minerals and other nutrients your body craves to function smoothly. Your setting yourself up for some possible trauma on the body.
Colon Cleanse = Bad Idea!
Try going vegan for a few days, and eliminate the sugar (except fruit). Lot's of veg's will provide you all the "elimination" your body needs, and it will do it in a far healthier way.
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Mar 09, 2008 4:11 AM GMT
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Mar 09, 2008 4:35 AM GMT
This particular crock of s**t has a long and ridiculous history. People were pushing these claims as far back as the 1890s. Some of the early claims for cleansing diets resulted in the establishment of what were then called "sanitariums", which had a different meaning than it has today. Going to a sanitarium was like a spa vacation, but usually also involved the administration of quack cures and weird diets.
One such health sanitarium was run by a Dr. Kellogg of Michigan, who then invented a type of food for his patients that would "cleanse" the insides. It did no such thing, but proved wildly popular anyway.
Of course, they were Kellogg's corn flakes.
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Mar 23, 2008 9:48 PM GMT
Finished the cleanse. I feel great.
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Mar 23, 2008 10:04 PM GMT
That last post, by Juishe, was the best response I could possibly think of.
It seems like everyone bashed the Master Cleanse, and having done it myself a couple of times, I personally found it great (and myself after) great.
Seems like everyone's willing to bash something instead of try it. Reminds me of my stance on Oprah. I hate her, even though I never watch her show, read her magazine or listen to her.
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Mar 23, 2008 10:17 PM GMT
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Mar 23, 2008 10:17 PM GMT
UncleverName saidThat last post, by Juishe, was the best response I could possibly think of.
It seems like everyone bashed the Master Cleanse, and having done it myself a couple of times, I personally found it great (and myself after) great.
Seems like everyone's willing to bash something instead of try it. Reminds me of my stance on Oprah. I hate her, even though I never watch her show, read her magazine or listen to her. I've never seen Oprah either, so I have no opinion either way, but I've caught snippets of Dr. Phil, and that guys is a freakin' quack. |
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Mar 23, 2008 10:34 PM GMT
fryblock saidWARNING: very very graphic
http://www.drnatura.com/picture_gallery.html
what do you all think of this? bullshit or true and gross? I think it's bullshit and that the long strings of stuff are just the colonic cleanse product itself. I had a colonoscopy some years ago, and after drinking the gallon of polyethylene glycol laxative flush, everything came out as liquid, and my colon was a squeaky-clean tube of glistening pink meat. |
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Mar 23, 2008 10:48 PM GMT
paradox said[quote][cite]fryblock said[/cite]WARNING: very very graphic
http://www.drnatura.com/picture_gallery.html
what do you all think of this? bullshit or true and gross? I think it's bullshit and that the long strings of stuff are just the colonic cleanse product itself. I had a colonoscopy some years ago, and after drinking the gallon of polyethylene glycol laxative flush, everything came out as liquid, and my colon was a squeaky-clean tube of glistening pink meat.[/quote] I totally agree that the powder itself produces the stuff these people are crapping. And, as others have said, the Intestinal Tract is a very efficient self-cleaning pass-through system. |
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Mar 24, 2008 6:21 AM GMT
juishe saidFinished the cleanse. I feel great. You feel great because of a process called KETOSIS. This happens when your body doesn't get the proper calories to survives it creates ketones which gives you an elated, high feeling. They are created as a defense so your body (and primarily brain) can continue to function faced with having insufficient glucose. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketosis Our bodies have extremely elaborate (and efficient) mechanisms that cleanse our bodies. Anybody have any snake oil? Sorry...I am a skeptic. |
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Mar 24, 2008 6:35 AM GMT
juishe saidFinished the cleanse. I feel great. Well, that's wonderful. Any thoughts on the input you've gotten on this forum? Some of the posts actually contained warnings, regarding its efficacy and your health. I realize you've dismissed them, and that's okay...apparently you're no worse for wear. But next time you ask, I'll remember how willing you were to part with your money. |
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Jun 26, 2008 10:53 PM GMT
You know, i was thinking of doing this myself, and searched for it on the forums here because i am skeptical of the health claims of the cleanse-folk. (And i am way wary of ingesting so much sugar.)
The thing is, i can't help but thinking that years of eating taco bell and mcdonalds and the like [i'm down to about once a week now, an accomplishment for me] has had to have left some sort of gunk, in one way or another, behind. I'm signed on for a summer's worth of veggies from a coop farm type deal, and i'd like to maybe give my body a blank slate/foundation for the incoming good food. Any thoughts on this? Or will my body just adjust accordingly and thank me once veggies become the bulk of what i'm putting in it?
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Jun 26, 2008 11:04 PM GMT
mickeytopogigio said
Well, that's wonderful. Any thoughts on the input you've gotten on this forum? Some of the posts actually contained warnings, regarding its efficacy and your health. I realize you've dismissed them, and that's okay...apparently you're no worse for wear.
But next time you ask, I'll remember how willing you were to part with your money. Have you guys looked into the Master Cleanse at all? You only eat lemons, maple syrup, cayenne pepper and water for ten days. This in fact does cost a bit more than the groceries you would have bought during those days, but not much. Like maybe an extra $30 tops. To get the info for it, if you don't want to find a website, you buy the book, which only costs like $10. I realize that for something you don't think will do you any good, $40 is a lot. But that's not really much of an argument against it. If you really can't afford $40, once, you probably aren't in a state that you're thinking of doing a cleanse anyways. I'd have to re-iterate what I said awhile back: you should try it before you knock it. It might be a crock, but until you've done it, you really have no idea. And again, like I said already, the OP actually did it and thought it was great. Seems like he's the only one on here that had the balls to try it before crowing from the top of his lungs that it was snake oil. Ok, stepping slowly away from the keyboard (and the soap box) now... |
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Jun 26, 2008 11:09 PM GMT
your body will adjust naturally and give you a massive thank you for the change too.
in a normal healthy body nothing gets left behind, if you read about some of the problems that have been listed above then you'd want to see a doctor anyway.
Otherwise, just eat properly and eat well and if at all possible don't eat the junk food at all.
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Oct 07, 2008 1:56 PM GMT
I did this and lost 20 pounds and felt great, never hungry.
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Oct 07, 2008 2:12 PM GMT
a1972guy just did this about 2 or 3 months ago. He was bitchy, cold, speaking in strange tongues...OH WAIT! He's always like that. LOL! In all seriousness, you just have to listen to your body when doing it. It'll let you know when it's had enough of the master cleanse.
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Oct 07, 2008 2:49 PM GMT
UncleverName said
I'd have to re-iterate what I said awhile back: you should try it before you knock it. It might be a crock, but until you've done it, you really have no idea. And again, like I said already, the OP actually did it and thought it was great. Seems like he's the only one on here that had the balls to try it before crowing from the top of his lungs that it was snake oil.
Ok, stepping slowly away from the keyboard (and the soap box) now...
No offense, but that's a really weak argument for the master cleanse. There are a lot of things that people think make them feel good (at least in the short term) that may not be healthy or beneficial in the long run. Pretty much anytime I've heard someone who just did a short-term diet (and who lost weight) they said they felt better or great. Shortly after, they returned to their old ways. From what I've read, that's all this is...a diet...and doesn't provide the results people who try it think they're achieving.
At least mickey supported his argument with opinions from people who have actually researched the medical value of it.
Here are more:
http://blog.healthtalk.com/zimney/master-cleanse-diet-master-scam/
http://blog.healthtalk.com/zimney/master-cleanse-another-negative-view/
http://www.healthcentral.com/diet-exercise/c/56/3124/real-deal-diet/ |
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Oct 07, 2008 3:31 PM GMT
The funny thing about the "I feel great" issue is that it may have little bearing on your health, particularly when you are doing something that isn't natural.
Stand in a room naked with the temperature at below a freezing level. You will after a while feel euphoric, that is right before you freeze to death.
If you take heroin, you will feel great regardless of whether or not you are about to OD.
Conversely, if you haven't exercised before and the then you go to the gym, you will be in pain afterwards. You will feel this way for weeks (if your properly pushing yourself) until you start to acclimate to it. Then you start to feel the benefits of it.
So basically these examples are the ones that counter the argument. Of course there are ones that support it as well, but the point is, feeling great after doing something doesn't correlate to 'healthy'.
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Oct 07, 2008 6:39 PM GMT
I can vouch for the benefits to be had from doing an intestinal cleanse. The inner lining of your intestines is made of little tentacle protrusions called cilia. A sluggish gut can hold onto old food in these areas. Why is this so hard to believe when plaque can form in venal and arterial walls and eventually cause strokes or heart attacks? And the circulatory system is always transporting a much more liquid-like substance as opposed to the intestines that work at a profoundly much slower pace in comparison. All I can say is that when I started using the toilet that a lot of putrid horribly smelling matter exited my body and from the looks AND the uncharacteristic bad smell of things I knew that what had left my body was very old. The second part of my cleanse which is responsible for getting out the old sludge is also good at choking out bacterias and some parasites. Not all parasites in your gut can be treated with one herb or medication but I did notice a much improved state of well being. On a "mystical" side note, I also realized that I was holding onto some old emotions that I had been internalizing for years. I was simply getting ready for work one day (while in the second week of my cleanse) and I found myself becoming violently angry and thinking of past experiences that were unfavorable to say the least. It was consuming my mind and then when I had to go use the toilet to release a movement (the one I described above) I felt like I had released not only old putrid matter but also some internalized anger. There I was, all of the sudden....gleaming with tranquility on the porcelain bowl with this undeniably obvious sense of calm. It was very unusual but I've had weirder things happen.  It was as if my emotions were tied to whatever I was holding onto in my gut. And when I released the physical matter so did the aforementioned emotions. I know some of you will think what I'm saying is hogwash but I know it works for me. And it took about a good year of doing these cleanses until that horrible putrid smell went away. Now when I do it, it's like changing the oil of a well maintained car or machine. The cleanse I do is only $40 and you should not do more than 4 cleanses a year. Some of you say that it's a waste of money. Well I know of people that waste more money in 4 hours at a bar lushing it up on alcoholic beverages. I won't try and convince those of you that think it's a waste but I know that for myself it's not. |
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Oct 08, 2008 1:46 AM GMT
mickeytopogigio saidWell, here's the thing...gunk doesn't get trapped in your digestive tract. These claims are a crock. What will be cleansed is your wallet, guaranteed.
The digestive tract, unless it is inflamed by influenza, ravaged by colitis, snaked with a tapeworm, etc., is a healthy, pink, perpetually renewed surface that looks good even on oooooold guys who've eaten garbage most of their lives.
I'd do a little more looking around, skeptically.
Here's a start:
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/gastro.html
http://skepdic.com/vitacon.html#9
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/colon-cleansing/AN00065
http://www.livescience.com/health/060808_bad_colon.html He speaks the truth! As someone who researches so called 'alternative' medical claims a great deal, this one is absolute bullshit. Save your money. |
