Military survey shows gay policy, practice at odds

  • metta

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    Oct 29, 2010 9:15 AM GMT
    Military survey shows gay policy, practice at odds

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/39900133#39900133
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    Oct 29, 2010 2:02 PM GMT
    I read up on this - what's currently available - and cannot wait for the right to figure out a way around the majority rule within the ranks of the military.

    Funny how majority rule only works when it fits into their twisted agenda. McCain will lead the charge here. The will of the people be damned, right John?

    How do I know this is going to be coming from the right? Call me Ms. Cleo.

    I'm hoping the one RJ member who happens to be a self-loathing veteran and often speaks against the repeal of DADT because, for example, "members of the military are conservative and don't want to see this repealed" ... I'm awaiting his response.
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    Oct 29, 2010 2:03 PM GMT
    reppaT said ... I'm awaiting his response.
    As am I!
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    Oct 29, 2010 2:06 PM GMT
    Thanks for the link.

    Also, does anyone else sense that one reason the far religious right is against letting gays serve openly, and at one point women and non-whites, is because they view the military as being righteous and a representation of God Himself???
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    Oct 29, 2010 2:08 PM GMT
    cmhoh1985 saidThanks for the link.

    Also, does anyone else sense that one reason the far religious right is against letting gays serve openly, and at one point women and non-whites, is because they view the military as being righteous and a representation of God Himself???
    Where do you think the phrase "soldiers for christ" came from?
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    Oct 29, 2010 2:14 PM GMT
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    cmhoh1985 saidThanks for the link.

    Also, does anyone else sense that one reason the far religious right is against letting gays serve openly, and at one point women and non-whites, is because they view the military as being righteous and a representation of God Himself???
    Where do you think the phrase "soldiers for christ" came from?


    I don't know how I feel about the use of the word 'soldiers' in reference to Jesus since He advocated a 'gospel of peace', not of violence. That reminds of the story about the arms manufacturer from Michigan who printed Bible verses on bullets!

    Sorry for the thread drift!
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    Oct 29, 2010 2:21 PM GMT
    cmhoh1985 said

    I don't know how I feel about the use of the word 'soldiers' in reference to Jesus since He advocated a 'gospel of peace', not of violence. That reminds of the story about the arms manufacturer from Michigan who printed Bible verses on bullets!

    Sorry for the thread drift!
    It comes directly from a pulpit near you!
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    Oct 29, 2010 2:25 PM GMT
    Have never heard of the "Soldiers for Christ" statement ever.

    Everyone has a different view. Mostly is all the closeted gay dudes out there that are still married but like to take it for other dudes that are preaching and waving the flags. In my experience Soldiers just dont give a fuck to be honest. We have better things to worry about: like not getting blowed up or shot.

    Here's a thought: Erase DADT and put all the money going towards these biased studies into the pockets of soldiers and you'll have more happy soldiers to begin with.

    IMO.

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    Oct 29, 2010 2:25 PM GMT
    TropicalMark said
    cmhoh1985 said

    I don't know how I feel about the use of the word 'soldiers' in reference to Jesus since He advocated a 'gospel of peace', not of violence. That reminds of the story about the arms manufacturer from Michigan who printed Bible verses on bullets!

    Sorry for the thread drift!
    It comes directly from a pulpit near you!


    Be assured that not all churches preach this gospel of violence or at least gospel of military infatuation and worship. icon_biggrin.gif My church certainly does not and I'm proud to say that!

    I agree with the poster above me!
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Oct 29, 2010 3:50 PM GMT
    I'm waiting to see what the actual results of the Pentagon survey are, rather than make assumptions about alleged "early reports" that may or may not have any basis in fact. Regardless of the eventual results, I sincerely believe that Obama will end DADT on his watch.
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    Oct 29, 2010 4:02 PM GMT
    The Pentagon said to expect preliminary results prior to the final report, and that's what we're seeing today. It's safe to assume that what's in the news is accurate - Pentagon officials went straight to Associated Press with this one. Controlled leaks like these aren't unusual.

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2010/10/pentagon-poll-most-us-troops-are-ok-with-gays-in-military-/1
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    Oct 29, 2010 5:59 PM GMT
    While the results of the survey appear to be encouraging, this was a pointless exercise from the outset. When it comes to important matters of policy, as military personnel, you are paid to do as you are told. The military is not a democracy.

    On the other hand, perhaps it will set a trend of changing DoD policy according to the preferences of serving personnel.

    Q1. While deployed on operations, would you rather live in:

    a. A tent?

    b. An air conditioned temporary structure?

    c. The Ritz Carlton?


    Q2. In a situation where you come under enemy fire, would you rather:

    a. Get down, stay down and let someone else deal with it?

    b. Run away?

    c. Engage the enemy?


    Q3. What would be your preferred chow hall menu:

    a. Wholesome, well balanced and nutritious food?

    b. Bland, overcooked slop?

    c. A fine dining experience prepared from the best ingredients and by the best chefs money can buy?

    Thank you

    Your views are important to us and will be used to assist in formulating DoD policy.
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    Oct 29, 2010 6:27 PM GMT
    Mil8 said

    Q1. While deployed on operations, would you rather live in:

    a. A tent?

    b. An air conditioned temporary structure?

    C. The Ritz Carlton?


    Q2. In a situation where you come under enemy fire, would you rather:

    A. Get down, stay down and let someone else deal with it?

    b. Run away?

    c. Engage the enemy?


    Q3. What would be your preferred chow hall menu:

    a. Wholesome, well balanced and nutritious food?

    b. Bland, overcooked slop?

    C. A fine dining experience prepared from the best ingredients and by the best chefs money can buy?

    Having been there done that, my choices are in red..

    Thanks for asking! icon_wink.gif
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    Oct 29, 2010 6:33 PM GMT
    TropicalMark said
    cmhoh1985 saidThanks for the link.

    Also, does anyone else sense that one reason the far religious right is against letting gays serve openly, and at one point women and non-whites, is because they view the military as being righteous and a representation of God Himself???
    Where do you think the phrase "soldiers for christ" came from?



    Jihad vs Crusade

    History really does repeat itself.
  • metta

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    Oct 29, 2010 9:31 PM GMT


    Most troops wouldn't oppose serving with gays, survey finds

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/28/AR2010102807669.html
  • coolarmydude

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    Oct 29, 2010 10:37 PM GMT
    cmhoh1985 said
    I don't know how I feel about the use of the word 'soldiers' in reference to Jesus since He advocated a 'gospel of peace', not of violence. That reminds of the story about the arms manufacturer from Michigan who printed Bible verses on bullets!


    It was actually on the rifle scopes.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Oct 29, 2010 10:38 PM GMT
    metta8 said

    Most troops wouldn't oppose serving with gays, survey finds

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/28/AR2010102807669.html



    See -- things are looking up already icon_lol.gif
  • creature

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    Oct 29, 2010 11:04 PM GMT

    The votes that are critical are those of Democrats Blanche Lincoln and Mark Pryor, and Republicans Scott Brown, Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins. If Reid can give Snowe and Collins what they're asking for, an opportunity to discuss amendments, Democrats will get the votes they need. Scott Brown is waiting for the study.
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    Oct 30, 2010 12:34 AM GMT
    i hate vague 'news' like this. I want numbers! majority only means 50.01%+
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    Oct 30, 2010 3:28 AM GMT
    The most important part is that all of the surveys they sent out only 30% responded, which means 7/10 soldiers frankly don't give a shit.