The human condition . . .

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    Oct 30, 2010 1:20 AM GMT
    what does it mean to u?


    I'm very interested in the above mentioned topic.

    regardless of race, religion, or upbrining, there's certain human characteristics that remain constant across al of humanity.
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    Oct 30, 2010 1:21 AM GMT
    im feeling philosophical tonight icon_redface.gif
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    Oct 30, 2010 2:07 AM GMT
    I was watching the documentary on Hubert Selby Jr. the other day.

    He had some really good insight on the human condition.

    For me, Human Condition: We are all really failures. We are living organisms that have a life cycle controlled by our constantly degrading vascular system.
    Even more of a downfall is that we are capable of deep emotions, but on the upside we are also capable of extreme cognitive abilities.
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    Oct 30, 2010 2:08 AM GMT
    The warping and overanalyzing of our basic biological animalness: life, death, food, sex, socialization, anger, loneliness, playfulness.
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    Oct 30, 2010 2:20 AM GMT
    For right now, the only constants are the need to:
    --pee
    --shit
    --fuck
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    Oct 30, 2010 2:26 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidFor right now, the only constants are the need to:
    --pee
    --shit
    --fuck


    Can't shit or pee if you don't eat and drink =o
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    Oct 30, 2010 2:29 AM GMT
    Actually that's not even true:
    One can live on IV nutrition (no eating), dialysis (no peeing), and one can elect to have no sex.

    The blood vessel theory is the only constant:
    hauptstimmeWe are living organisms that have a life cycle controlled by our constantly degrading vascular system.
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    Oct 30, 2010 2:32 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidActually that's not even true:
    One can live on IV nutrition (no eating), dialysis (no peeing), and one can elect to have no sex.

    The blood vessel theory is the only constant:


    Not quite sure how those extraordinarily specific and artificial circumstances amount to finding the general binding ties of humanity across the species.
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    Oct 30, 2010 2:35 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidActually that's not even true:
    One can live on IV nutrition (no eating), dialysis (no peeing), and one can elect to have no sex.

    The blood vessel theory is the only constant:
    hauptstimmeWe are living organisms that have a life cycle controlled by our constantly degrading vascular system.


    We are failures=We die

    -So you're also saying that every human being is not capable of emotion or cognitive ability? I'm pretty sure we are. Some are better than others, but every human is 'capable' of it.

    You're body is still a consumer of essential nutrients (eating) with an IV drip.
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    Oct 30, 2010 2:35 AM GMT
    the human condition. . . . longing to connect (friends, romance, conversation, fucking) and to endure (work, art, kids, fear of death)
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    Oct 30, 2010 2:39 AM GMT
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    Oct 30, 2010 2:41 AM GMT
    Is the victim in the following story human? How about the perpetrator?
    http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/index.php?/topic/9753-torture-during-the-han-dynasty/page__st__15
    "人彘" (human pig)
    The first emperor of Han dynasty (Liu Bang) had a favorite concubine, lady Qi. She had a son, Ruyi (如意). At one point, Liu Bang wanted to replace the Crown Prince Liu Ying (刘盈) with Ruyi. Only because most of the high officials disagree, Liu Bang changed his mind, and Ruyi was appointed prince of Zhao. After Liu Bang was dead and Liu Ying became the emperor, Liu Ying's mother, Dowager Empress Lu, was in power. When lady Qi was in favor, she probably had offended empress Lu deeply. Therefore, Dowager Empress Lu cut lady Qi’s hair and put her to hard labor. Lady Qi made a song saying, (I will paraphrase here), “The son is a prince, and the mother is a slave. My son is 3000 lis away, and who will tell him of my sufferings?” When Dowager Empress Lu heard the song, she was very mad. Afterwards, she called prince Zhao back to the capital and eventually poisoned him to death despite of her son’s efforts (the emperor Liu Ying was trying to protect his younger brother, but he let the assassin slip in). The emperor had to revenge his brother by secretly executing the people involved. Soon after, a eunuch, under the Dowager Empress’ order, came to show the emperor a new invention. The emperor went to a bathroom and saw a bloody mess. There was a person who had no hair, no arms, no legs, no ears, no nose, no eyes, and he/she couldn’t speak. Liu Ying fainted right there. After he was awake, he asked the eunuch who this person was? The eunuch said that she was Lady Qi. In addition to cutting of all her body parts, they poured melted copper to her ears so that she couldn’t hear and fed her poison so she couldn’t speak. Liu Ying cried and said, “Was this the actions of a human being?” Afterwards, he was sick for a long time. When he recovered, he spent his time in parties and with women. Soon, he was dead
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    Oct 30, 2010 2:43 AM GMT
    Longing. That aching that is satisfied so seldom but so magnificently in the fleeting moments that sing to the soul.
    A touch.
    A breeze.
    The light.
    The dark.
    The quiet.
    The roar.
    The sight of him. The sound of him. The smell of him.
    The tension between all of this and none of this and a deep despair racing through your veins, searching to be understood and to connect and yet destined to hide and quake with fear of being unmasked, revealed, discovered, exposed.
    That moment in the twilight or before the dawn has broken when this earth is too much with you, and you feel it slipping away and pray that you could freeze it and live there, forever.
    When words fail you and you are certain, for only a second, that you are capable of loving and being loved.
    When a whisper is too loud, and a roar is choked back by the sweetest sorrow imaginable, in between the beats of your heart and the rise and fall of your breath.
    If only.
    Longing.

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    Oct 30, 2010 2:45 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidIs the victim in the following story human? How about the perpetrator?


    You're citing extraordinary and specific examples. Humanity is a cumulative process. A single individual cannot define its parameters. Humans possess humanity simply for being human. What exactly that humanity is doesn't depend on their individual circumstances.
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    Oct 30, 2010 2:49 AM GMT
    I believe in building from basics.
    What is necessary but not sufficient to be human? Necessary and sufficient to be human? Sufficient but not necessary?
    For example, right now, we still have to be born of a woman, every one of us. This is a necessary and sufficient condition to be human.

    However, in the future, we could very well be cloned in vats, in which case being born won't be necessary for being human, but it will be sufficient.

    I also believe in testing with extraordinary circumstances. A lot of math and science is done by trying to see what happens when you take things to the extreme.
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    Oct 30, 2010 2:59 AM GMT
    Moving up Maslow's Hierarchy of needs. Everyone after the same thing, personal meaning and happiness from life.

    This comes from social relationships with others.
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    Oct 30, 2010 3:08 AM GMT
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_conditionMany transhumanists hold a positive and embracing view of life itself, but see the existence of the human mind and its human body as something of a cosmic tragedy, because every human being is consigned to death after a relatively short and delimited life, even while humans have the intellectual capacity to imagine a better world that is presently beyond their experience. The human condition, to the transhumanist, is an oppressive circumstance to be rationally overcome through the judicious application of science and technology.
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    Oct 30, 2010 3:08 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidIs the victim in the following story human? How about the perpetrator?


    yes and yes.

    The ANS in the victim is still intact.
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    Oct 30, 2010 3:57 AM GMT
    For me, the human condition is generally a tragic one. I believe that "life" is generally without meaning. It simply has a cause, but that carries with it no intrinsic value.

    Now, for society to exist, I agree there has to be basic constructs that prohibit murder, etc. And for society to progress, certain personal freedoms must exist. So the value we place on life and freedom is for the preservation and perseverance of humanity.

    To me, the rest of our existence and history has been marked by efforts to create meaning where it does not exist. Hence the various religions, saviors, heavens, hells, etc.

    My theory of the human condition, which is greatly contested by my friends, is that you get to pick your poison:

    a) narcissism
    b) dilution
    c) addiction

    We all pick one, two are all of these in varying degrees to cope with the fact that life has no meaning and then you die. I know it's an unpopular view, but I haven't lost an argument yet. icon_smile.gif

    Dax
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    Oct 30, 2010 4:17 AM GMT
    We all pick one, two are all of these in varying degrees to cope with the fact that life has no meaning and then you die.

    I don't agree because a person can do those things and it not be about coping with life having no meaning and death.
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    Oct 30, 2010 4:20 AM GMT
    we are studying this is theory of knowledge. kinda.
    - we look for differences rather than similarities because its so much easier to point the shortcomings of others than accept them.
    - we wants something that we cant have because we see it as a test of our soul and in doing that we often miss the important things in life.
    - we all wants to achieve something thats perfect because of our need to overachieve (mainly because of the media) and in doing so we get farther away from ourselves)

    I have lots icon_razz.gif
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    Oct 30, 2010 4:26 AM GMT
    Anto saidWe all pick one, two are all of these in varying degrees to cope with the fact that life has no meaning and then you die.

    I don't agree because a person can do those things and it not be about coping with life having no meaning and death.


    Thankfully, my theory doesn't require you to agree. But just so you know, I'm right.

    lol
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    Oct 30, 2010 4:29 AM GMT
    daxmillion saidFor me, the human condition is generally a tragic one. I believe that "life" is generally without meaning. It simply has a cause, but that carries with it no intrinsic value.

    Now, for society to exist, I agree there has to be basic constructs that prohibit murder, etc. And for society to progress, certain personal freedoms must exist. So the value we place on life and freedom is for the preservation and perseverance of humanity.

    To me, the rest of our existence and history has been marked by efforts to create meaning where it does not exist. Hence the various religions, saviors, heavens, hells, etc.

    My theory of the human condition, which is greatly contested by my friends, is that you get to pick your poison:

    a) narcissism
    b) dilution
    c) addiction

    We all pick one, two are all of these in varying degrees to cope with the fact that life has no meaning and then you die. I know it's an unpopular view, but I haven't lost an argument yet. icon_smile.gif

    Dax


    I love this.
    I had a theory years ago that consisted of the fact that all gay men have three currencies:

    -Addiction
    -Denial
    -Avoidance

    We choose to live in at least one throughout our lives. Some live in more than one.
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    Oct 30, 2010 4:32 AM GMT
    The human condition...I think that the ability to create, to make something greater than the sum of its parts, whether it be in art, medicine, business, the humanities, science, or relationships, perhaps particularly relationships, defines something unique about humans; even those categories are particular to humans.

    -Doug
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    Oct 30, 2010 4:35 AM GMT
    hauptstimme said
    daxmillion said

    a) narcissism
    b) dilution
    c) addiction




    -Addiction
    -Denial
    -Avoidance



    These sound like the ingredients to an awesome weekend partying experience where you get ready, get wasted, get laid, then get the hell out of there.