Diet Pills and Trainers

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    Jun 12, 2007 1:06 AM GMT
    After my workout I like to do some yoga, and in our gym the place where the members do this is the same used by the trainers to show them new moves to their clients. As I am laying down doing some breathing, one of the trainers is talking to a guy and telling him that he would get him the pills. Im thinking maybe he is getting the new guy some vitamins or something. He comes back and hands him over a bottle of fat burners, begins to tell him how to take it and when to take them. I am thinking oh look at that, even trainers use fat burners. I walk down to the showers and as I am showering it hits me. Wait a minute, the guy is paying a trainer, shouldnt the trainer do everything in his power to help the guy lose weight instead of handing him fat burners? He is paying for the training. Call me old fashion but if I am paying a trainer I expect the guy to help me out with out the use of pills. What do you guys think, should trainers give their clients fat burners as part of their training? Interested on what you guys think about this one.
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    Jun 12, 2007 1:55 AM GMT
    It is something that a trainer might recommend at best. However, only a doctor can decide if fat burners are appropriate.
  • Nudista

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    Jun 12, 2007 1:57 AM GMT
    I would say its a decision that needs to be made and agreed upon by both trainee and trainer. In my experience "some" fat burners actually work. Like any other field whether it be diet pills in fitness, turbo kits in high performance cars, or blackberry's for the business execs...your always going to find the products that offer you the latest edge over the competition.
    I will sometimes take "Yellow Bullets" w/ephedra which you can still buy online. They definitely give me an edge and take my workouts to a whole new level-very intense. My focus is high energy, not burn fat-and I find they do me very well.
    If both agree on diet pills then the trainee is still getting the benefit of the trainer at his side plus the extra kick the pills may offer. As long as the trainer explains how to use the product responsibly and they are in mutual agreement of it- I say sure why not??
    AMB
  • Laurence

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    Jun 12, 2007 2:23 PM GMT
    Hi es

    I think you were right to question the validity of a trainer suggesting fat-burner pills to a client.

    Most trainers I imagine encourage exercise and healthy eating as the way to get in shape, tone and build muscle. Most trainers and those in fitness who write books and are considered the top in their field seem to say you don't need supplements of any kind.

    Loz
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    Jun 12, 2007 2:54 PM GMT
    Hey Loz

    Thats what I was thinking. I figure if I was trainer I would encourage my client to lose the weight with diet and excercise, try to find different combos to help my client with out fat burners or diet pills. If my client reaches the weight he/she wanted to, with out the help of fat burners or diet pills, then I can say hey I helped him.her get there, but can a trainer say that he helped some one lose weight when in reality it was a fat burner that did the trick?
  • Laurence

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    Jun 12, 2007 4:08 PM GMT
    I think the actual benefits of these products are debatable and that in practice most of the people who lose weight/fat whilst using them are eating healthily and exercising anyways.

    I imagine the trainer you overheard wasn't suggesting their client rely soley on fat-burners, but use them alongside exercise and a healthy eating regime.

    Still I wouldn't be using that trainer in a hurry.

    Loz
  • TonyD

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    Jun 12, 2007 6:49 PM GMT
    According to several national certifications (for trainers) it is taught that 'diet pills' are out of the scope of practice of fitness training.
    It's ONE thing to suggest a client look at these products; it is yet another thing to RECOMMEND or PROVIDE pills for the client's usage.
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    Jun 12, 2007 9:13 PM GMT
    Yes, Tony D
    I am ACE certified and the big thing they absolutely FORBID is recommending any supplements beyond vitamins. ACE stresses that only nutritionists and doctors have the knowledge to prescribe supplements and a trainer should direct their clients to a professional. WHat I find most interesting with ACE is that many gyms, especially 24 Hour Fitness, have their on-staff trainers do recommendations of their products as a matter of rule...
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    Jun 12, 2007 9:41 PM GMT
    Well according to one of the 24 Hour personal trainers who emailed me recently their primary motive is to make money so I'm not surprised at their attitude.
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    Jun 12, 2007 10:27 PM GMT
    I think it all depends on the relationship you have with your trainer.
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    Jun 13, 2007 4:41 AM GMT
    Im glad to see that there are actually rules that discourage this kind of behavior. I think what Loz, Tony, ww1969 and redheadguy talk about its very true. Only those with the proper training should offer these type of enhancements. Plus I think we can all remember when we first started working out, we wanted to get as much info as possible but at the same time we were willing to try anything. I speak for myself of course, because I remember being 240lbs and trying everything under the sun to slim down. Did I fucked up my system, sure did, because I tried every single diet I could learn about. It was not until I got my doctor, to recommend me a nutritionist and that nutritionist to work with a trainer that I began to lose the weight. I think by doing this, handing out pills for their own profit, trainers give false hope, or quick fixes, to something that is more complicated.
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    Jun 13, 2007 6:11 AM GMT
    My certification is from NSCA, and apart from teaching good nutritional practices and providing balanced eating plans, I only recommend basic vitamins to plug any nutritional deficiencies.

    This is not to say I don't refer clients to other specialists if I see symptoms of conditions beyond my scope of practice, I do. I also will recommend meal replacement powders and substances supported by peer-reviewed research (creatine, glutamine & BCAA's), where there is a need for them.

    But fat burners are NOT on the list. Nor are testosterone precurors, herbal remedies, or 90% of the stuff you'll find at your local GNC.

    Joey

    PS: Regarding WW1969 and the ACE position -- I studied the ACE curriculum and thought there were a couple of substances beyond vitamins which were considered within a trainer's scope of practice. Are you sure it's that limiting?
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    Jun 13, 2007 2:12 PM GMT
    Absolutely limiting.
    I quote from the Third Edition of the American Council on Exercise' Personal Trainers Manual:

    "It is the position of the American Council on Exercise (ACE) that is is outside the scope of practice of a fitness professional to recommend, prescribe, sell, or supply nutritional supplements to clients. Without possessing the requisite qualifications (e.g. RD) recommending supplements can place the client's health at risk and expose the fitness professional to disciplinary action and litigation."
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    Jun 21, 2007 5:03 PM GMT
    a trainer should always try and advise there clients to diet and exercise and be healthy, im strongly against diet pills i ha ve seen the damage they can do, i almost lost a friend from overdosing. there are so many different programs and routines one could do that are healthy ways to loose. you just have to experiment and find what works for you and what is fun and easy, cause if it's not fun or easy how will you stick to it?