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Can one get HIV from RECEIVING UNPROTECTED ORAL SEX?

  • happybuddy Posts: 2
    QUOTE Oct 30, 2010 9:42 PM GMT
    I had 2 guys of unknown status(stupid and I hate myself for it) perform unprotected oral sex on me a couple of times each. How risky(if at all) am I for HIV from this? We also had mutual French kissing and I kissed the shaft of his penis without a barrier. How much of a risk am I at for getting HIV through receiving unprotected oral sex and from open mouth kissing and kissing the shaft of his penis?
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    QUOTE Oct 30, 2010 11:03 PM GMT
    Receiving unprotected oral sex is one of the safest activities in regard to HIV transmission besides mutual masturbation. Of course that doesn't mean 100% risk free, but it's definitely a better choice than some other activities.

    According to this government website, the risk is almost unheard of, with the exception of a few exceptional cases.

    http://www.hiv.va.gov/vahiv?page=ptfaq-2006-02-27
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    QUOTE Oct 30, 2010 11:40 PM GMT
    You would have to have a bleeding penis and he would have to have a bleeding mouth. If that were happening, I would think that both of you would have other more pressing needs to take care of that would supplant the need for oral sex.
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    QUOTE Oct 30, 2010 11:44 PM GMT
    If you did not suck then probably not.

    If you did suck then you might.

    Dealing with just the shaft? Probably not unless it had an open sore or cum was drizzling down it.

    French kissing? Probably not unless there was mouth bleeding which is why you shouldn't brush your teeth before sex.
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    QUOTE Oct 30, 2010 11:45 PM GMT
    theres practically No risk at all

    I asked a Dr what r the chances bcuz I do love receiving oral

    and she said unless the oralist's mouth is completely full of his own blood even then the chances r small but that would be the only greatest chance
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    QUOTE Oct 30, 2010 11:46 PM GMT
    Your best answers would be coming directly from doctors or specialists involved with sexual practices
  • RunnerBen Posts: 266
    QUOTE Oct 30, 2010 11:50 PM GMT
    I was in a relationship for a few years with a positive guy. Regularly got oral sex from him, am still negative. Anecdotal, but still.
  • happybuddy Posts: 2
    QUOTE Oct 31, 2010 12:20 AM GMT
    When I kissed his shaft, I didn't feel nor see any fluids and my lips still felt dry afterwards, so am I safe from that?

    People say that receiving unprotected oral sex is NOT a risk because you're not coming in contact with sexual fluids, is that so? That the presence of blood would increase the risk, but no cases have been confirmed. What do you say, guys?
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    QUOTE Oct 31, 2010 12:35 AM GMT
    Theoretically, you can get HIV from oral sex....and from one viral particle. The practical result however is no, you wont. You are not going to become infected even if you suck a guy off, he spews in your mouth and you swallow the spooge. The only thing you are going to get from kissing a guys dick and worrying about it is anemia....from worrying about it.

    Remember this, we were sucking unprotected cock all during the advent of the AIDS epidemic before it was known what it was. If HIV infection were easy to get orally, every one of us who have contracted it.

    An HIV + person can sneeze in your face and you are unlikely to contract the disease. The HIV virus is very fragile and need to find a white blood cells almost immediately. The virus degrades almost immediately in the hostile envrionment of the air.

    The most ideal environment for transmission is in the ass. The rectum is warm, wet, and swarming with white blood cells. Those white blood cells are there to prevent the bacteria, etc in the gut from invading the body., The opportunity for the HIV virus to find a suitable host in the rectum is almost perfect. Those conditions dont exist in the mouth. In the mouth, the virus has little chance to cause an infection before the virus destructs or is degraded.

    Keep your ass shut, Dont share needles, etc. and you are pretty good to go.

    Happy Sucking!
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    QUOTE Oct 31, 2010 1:53 AM GMT
    Caslon16000 saidThe most ideal environment for transmission is in the ass. The rectum is warm, wet, and swarming with white blood cells.



    Aren't those things true of the mouth as well?
  • barriehomeboy Posts: 2468
    QUOTE Oct 31, 2010 2:07 AM GMT
    The HI VIrus can't live in an environment that is less salty than human blood or lymph. The saliva in your mouth is watery enough to make the virus cells explode.If HIV could be transmitted by sucking cock, the planet would look like the first hour of Will Smith's I Am Legend.
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    QUOTE Oct 31, 2010 2:16 AM GMT
    Caslon16000 saidTheoretically, you can get HIV from oral sex....and from one viral particle. The practical result however is no, you wont. You are not going to become infected even if you suck a guy off, he spews in your mouth and you swallow the spooge. The only thing you are going to get from kissing a guys dick and worrying about it is anemia....from worrying about it.

    Remember this, we were sucking unprotected cock all during the advent of the AIDS epidemic before it was known what it was. If HIV infection were easy to get orally, every one of us who have contracted it.

    An HIV + person can sneeze in your face and you are unlikely to contract the disease. The HIV virus is very fragile and need to find a white blood cells almost immediately. The virus degrades almost immediately in the hostile envrionment of the air.

    The most ideal environment for transmission is in the ass. The rectum is warm, wet, and swarming with white blood cells. Those white blood cells are there to prevent the bacteria, etc in the gut from invading the body., The opportunity for the HIV virus to find a suitable host in the rectum is almost perfect. Those conditions dont exist in the mouth. In the mouth, the virus has little chance to cause an infection before the virus destructs or is degraded.

    Keep your ass shut, Dont share needles, etc. and you are pretty good to go.

    Happy Sucking!


    THank you for the sanity moment
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    QUOTE Oct 31, 2010 2:33 AM GMT
    It's all about personal choice, but it's also good to read up the actual literature from studies and reputable sites, as well as talk to experts including medical professionals versed on the topic.

    Here's a good link about survivability of HIV in the external environment: http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu/insite?page=ask-01-10-20

    Here's what the CDC has to say about it (directly from their site, and this isn't copyrighted since they're a governmental agency aka public information, so you can copy and pass it along at leisure) - the link will take you to the CDC's site about chance of transmission in various forms: http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/qa/transmission.htm

    CDC: Can I get HIV from oral sex?
    Yes, it is possible for either partner to become infected with HIV through performing or receiving oral sex, though it is a less common mode of transmission than other sexual behaviors (anal and vaginal sex). There have been a few cases of HIV transmission from performing oral sex on a person infected with HIV. While no one knows exactly what the degree of risk is, evidence suggests that the risk is less than that of unprotected anal or vaginal sex.

    If the person performing oral sex has HIV, blood from their mouth may enter the body of the person receiving oral sex through

    * the lining of the urethra (the opening at the tip of the penis);
    * the lining of the vagina or cervix;
    * the lining of the anus; or
    * directly into the body through small cuts or open sores.

    If the person receiving oral sex has HIV, their blood, semen (cum), pre-seminal fluid (pre-cum), or vaginal fluid may contain the virus. Cells lining the mouth of the person performing oral sex may allow HIV to enter their body.

    The risk of HIV transmission increases

    * if the person performing oral sex has cuts or sores around or in their mouth or throat;
    * if the person receiving oral sex ejaculates in the mouth of the person performing oral sex; or
    * if the person receiving oral sex has another sexually transmitted disease (STD).

    Not having (abstaining from) sex is the most effective way to avoid HIV.

    If you choose to perform oral sex, and your partner is male,

    * use a latex condom on the penis; or
    * if you or your partner is allergic to latex, plastic (polyurethane) condoms can be used.

    Studies have shown that latex condoms are very effective, though not perfect, in preventing HIV transmission when used correctly and consistently. If either partner is allergic to latex, plastic (polyurethane) condoms for either the male or female can be used. For more information about latex condoms, see "Male Latex Condoms and Sexually Transmitted Diseases."

    If you choose to have oral sex, and your partner is female,

    * use a latex barrier (such as a natural rubber latex sheet, a dental dam, or a cut-open condom that makes a square) between your mouth and the vagina. A latex barrier such as a dental dam reduces the risk of blood or vaginal fluids entering your mouth. Plastic food wrap also can be used as a barrier.

    If you choose to perform oral sex with either a male or female partner and this sex includes oral contact with your partners anus (analingus or rimming),

    * use a latex barrier (such as a natural rubber latex sheet, a dental dam, or a cut-open condom that makes a square) between your mouth and the anus. Plastic food wrap also can be used as a barrier.

    If you would like more information or have personal concerns, call CDC-INFO 24 Hours/Day at 1-800-CDC-INFO, (232-4636), 1-888-232-6348, 1-888-232-6348 in English, en EspaƱol.
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    QUOTE Oct 31, 2010 5:48 AM GMT
    This must be your first time. I remember I went to get an HIV test after sucking my first dick, and the guy giving me the test laughed at me (he was younger than me too), but I felt so guilty and bad about it. Best to learn all you can about it before you do stuff. I've had classes and classes and classes and tests and tests and tests now, and I pretty much know the ins and outs.
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    QUOTE Oct 31, 2010 8:37 AM GMT
    I've hear you can get it from shaking hands with a Republican.
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    QUOTE Oct 31, 2010 2:44 PM GMT
    muscles4muscles said
    Caslon16000 saidThe most ideal environment for transmission is in the ass. The rectum is warm, wet, and swarming with white blood cells.



    Aren't those things true of the mouth as well?

    No, your mouth isnt swarming with white blood cells...and the spooge doesnt just sit there giving it time to infect a white blood cell.
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    QUOTE Nov 01, 2010 1:57 PM GMT
    Your HIV risk was low, but your sexually transmitted disease risk was high.
    Some of these diseases are nothing to laugh at, and can kill you. They include everything from MRSA to drug resistant syphilis and gonorrhea.

    -Doug
  • OptionsTrader Posts: 32
    QUOTE Nov 05, 2010 7:59 AM GMT
    The HIV risk is theoretical and that is it. You can theoretically get HIV from giving someone a hand job too. You can theoretically die from getting hit by a moon rock. Nobody has ever been documented as having contracted HIV from receiving oral sex and there are a lot of this and this and this has to occur for it to happen.

    Sort of like shaking hands. Sure you can get hiv from shaking hands but this and this and this has to occur for it to put you at risk. Like gaping, bleeding cuts bleeding all over each other. So yes you can get HIV from shaking hands now! Uh ohhhh....

    If blood wasn't coating your dick then you aren't at risk.

    Kissing someone's shaft? No risk.

    As someone else said, you are at risk for other STD's though. The most common symptom would be burning when peeing for many of them as well as sores.

    You mine as well just get tested in a month or two for the other std's and hiv too if it will ease your mind. Don't lose any sleep over it though.
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    QUOTE Nov 05, 2010 3:35 PM GMT
    FYI for everyone. It can be transmitted, the risk is extremely low and yes there are a very very few documented cases.

    http://www.avert.org/oral-sex.htm
  • OptionsTrader Posts: 32
    QUOTE Nov 05, 2010 5:25 PM GMT
    meninlove said FYI for everyone. It can be transmitted, the risk is extremely low and yes there are a very very few documented cases.

    http://www.avert.org/oral-sex.htm


    Though your site says there are some documented cases of people RECEIVING oral sex getting HIV, the CDC (which is their reference) doesn't say that. Only that there are a few documented cases of someone giving oral sex.

    The CDC will say it is possible, but there has to be OTHER factors involved. Factors that are unlikely. Just like kissing someone with HIV. The CDC says it is possible.

    While other forms of transmission (anal, vaginal, breast milk, blood) there are no other crazy factors that must be involved. Saliva is NONINFECTIOUS fluid.

    Meaning you could inject saliva in your ass and not get HIV. The only way to get it 'maybe' is if there is a lot of blood mixed with the saliva. So like I said if you didn't have blood coating your dick then you are safe...FROM HIV if that is all you did.

    Lesbians do not spread HIV for example because many just engage in fingering or oral sex. The only time they may be at risk is when they share dildos or other things coated in vaginal fluid.

    So don't listen to the people who just reference the CDC. The CDC mentions everything even if it is far away from the realm of possibility. If they were talking about meteors, they would mention what you need to do if a meteor hits your house. Since that doesn't actually happen you shouldn't worry about it. However, you still should play safe doing oral with people you don't know as other diseases can be transmitted.
  • OptionsTrader Posts: 32
    QUOTE Nov 05, 2010 5:28 PM GMT
    [quote]

    No. The rectum develops microscopic tears every time it's penetrated and that's all it takes for the virus to pass. The mouth, for the most part, may bleed after vigorous brushing or flossing when people have poor dental hygiene. Or an example would be when you burn the roof of your mouth biting into a slice of pizza. It was determined that the study in which almost 8% of the men contracted HIV yet reportedly didn't have anal sex, that their mouths were in poor condition and some did have anal and lied about it. It's the burden a bottom has to bear. [/quote]

    Actually some are saying there is evidence that the anus 'absorbs' the virus as well and it isn't due to just microscopic tears (there are microscopic tears everywhere on our body yet not everywhere is a mode of transmission such as our arms). And we all know the anus absorbs things which is why there are suppositories and such.
  • conservativej... Posts: 2152
    QUOTE Nov 05, 2010 5:54 PM GMT
    From a practical standpoint such a mode of transmission is exceedingly rare. Even back in the days when guys carried monster viral loads due to lack of protease inhibitors, etc. getting a blow job from a poz guy never led to HIV infection among all the gay guys I circled with. (As best we can tell.)

    But I might add, that of the 50 or so of us in the first days of the pandemic that are still alive and kicking, there are only three of us remaining. Of the 3, 2 possess the full compliment Delta 32 mutation.

    Damn poor odds guys.
  • OptionsTrader Posts: 32
    QUOTE Nov 05, 2010 6:12 PM GMT
    conservativejock saidFrom a practical standpoint such a mode of transmission is exceedingly rare. Even back in the days when guys carried monster viral loads due to lack of protease inhibitors, etc. getting a blow job from a poz guy never led to HIV infection among all the gay guys I circled with. (As best we can tell.)

    But I might add, that of the 50 or so of us in the first days of the pandemic that are still alive and kicking, there are only three of us remaining. Of the 3, 2 possess the full compliment Delta 32 mutation.

    Damn poor odds guys.


    When I was younger I was scared that I contracted HIV from a 30 second bj from a friend who was a BIG slut. But he said he didn't have HIV and had a recent std check but I ignored that. That was my first 'gay sex' experience. With women it was never something I felt like I needed to worry about. How many straight guys worry about getting HIV from a female? I will tell you, verrrrrrrryyyyyyy few. Especially if they just get a bj. Everyone gets blow jobs. If HIV spread that way many more would have it.

    Anyway. HIV and dying doesn't scare me it is the fact that you are 'dirty' and irresponsible. That society stigmatizes you. That is what bothers me. We all die some way. Some die from car accidents, cancer, work accidents, hiv, etc........ I would not use treatment for HIV (or cancer) because I just don't want to. I don't want to live with a disease. Call me lazy or apathetic. I'd probably just travel a lot and take an overdose of barbiturates. I am not someone who holds life extremely dear (for myself not others).
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    QUOTE Nov 06, 2010 1:41 AM GMT
    OptionsTrader said
    meninlove said FYI for everyone. It can be transmitted, the risk is extremely low and yes there are a very very few documented cases.

    http://www.avert.org/oral-sex.htm


    Though your site says there are some documented cases of people RECEIVING oral sex getting HIV, the CDC (which is their reference) doesn't say that. Only that there are a few documented cases of someone giving oral sex.

    The CDC will say it is possible, but there has to be OTHER factors involved. Factors that are unlikely. Just like kissing someone with HIV. The CDC says it is possible.

    While other forms of transmission (anal, vaginal, breast milk, blood) there are no other crazy factors that must be involved. Saliva is NONINFECTIOUS fluid.

    Meaning you could inject saliva in your ass and not get HIV. The only way to get it 'maybe' is if there is a lot of blood mixed with the saliva. So like I said if you didn't have blood coating your dick then you are safe...FROM HIV if that is all you did.

    Lesbians do not spread HIV for example because many just engage in fingering or oral sex. The only time they may be at risk is when they share dildos or other things coated in vaginal fluid.

    So don't listen to the people who just reference the CDC. The CDC mentions everything even if it is far away from the realm of possibility. If they were talking about meteors, they would mention what you need to do if a meteor hits your house. Since that doesn't actually happen you shouldn't worry about it. However, you still should play safe doing oral with people you don't know as other diseases can be transmitted.


    The link I gave is only one of many. Did you know RJ had one of the best guys on it for some time that left over assininity on RJ? He caught HIV from a blow-job and had lots of info on it.

    It was terrible when he left and a huge loss of intelligent thoughtful posts, but thankfully we know him via other sites.

    -Doug

    PS my own GP had a patient that caught it this way. He told me that pre-cum and semen contain the virus. If you have damaged bleeding gums, such as gingivitis can cause, you are at risk as the BJ giver. If you are getting a blow job and the giver has damaged gums like I described and a sharp tooth that nicks your penis while performing....
  • OptionsTrader Posts: 32
    QUOTE Nov 06, 2010 4:47 AM GMT
    [quote]

    The link I gave is only one of many. Did you know RJ had one of the best guys on it for some time that left over assininity on RJ? He caught HIV from a blow-job and had lots of info on it.

    [/quote]

    Did that guy give a bj or receive a bj?

    This is the problem...you will be VERY hard pressed to find someone who JUST gets blow jobs. Now blowing anyone. No fucking or getting fucked. Just getting blow jobs. So with that being said, was it established that all he ever did was get blow jobs?

    Some of the purest samples can be taken from the lesbian community as they are people that mainly use fingers and their mouths for sex (they also don't get HIV). The CDC mentions lesbian sex a risk if they share sex toys.

    Getting a pure sample from the gay community is very difficult because gay men don't just engage in receiving oral sex they usually engage in the riskiest behaviors.

    I have only received oral sex from a guy (never did anything else). I am negative. So I will be the pure sample and so will the OP if he hasn't/doesn't do anything until getting tested.