Nervous about election day

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    Nov 01, 2010 12:50 AM GMT
    Full disclosure: I am an ardent Democrat and on the liberal side of things politically. I am also a capitalist and believe capitalism functions best when it is well-regulated. If any of what I've just said offends and/or bothers you, you might as well skip the rest of this posting.

    I am very nervous about Tuesday's election. While I believe the Democrats can still pull it out, the army of fanatics that the GOP is planning on sending to Congress is truly scary. Our country will take a huge step back if these people are allowed to come into power. There has always been a radical rightwing fringe in this country, but given the current state of the economy as well as the unease fostered by the changing nature of our world and country, these people have an opening to force their reactionary views upon the American public. Don't believe me? Here are just some examples:

    Joe Miller (R - Senate, Alaska): Has called unemployment insurance, Social Security, Medicare and the minimum wage unconstitutional even though his wife has collect unemployment and he undoubtedly has family members on both Social Security and Medicare. Has said he would vote for a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage. Has had members of his private security detail handcuff and detain news reporters. Favors altering the Constitution so voters can no longer pick their own senators.

    Christine O'Donnell (R - Senate, Delaware): Has talked about secret plots to create mice with human brains and has crusaded against masturbation of all things. Didn't realize that the First Amendment calls for the separation of Church and State and refers to being gay as an "identity disorder" even though her sister is gay.

    Sharron Angle (R - Senate, Nevada): Opposes gay marriage and would vote to ban it. Thinks girls who get pregnant by incestuous rapes from their fathers should not be allowed to right to choose and should just "make lemonade" out of the lemons life has handed them. She has alluded to a desire to make alcoholol illegal again (i.e. prohibition) and has said people may want to utilize a "Second Amendment remedy" if the Republicans don't do as well as hoped on November 2nd. Has essentially stopped talking to the media (aside from talk radio and Fox News), showing contempt for journalism's role in the political process in this country.

    Rand Paul (R - Senate, Kentucky): Favors a 23% sales tax on everything, which would hit poor people the hardest, instead of a graduated, progressive income tax. Thinks businesses and housing sellers should be free to discriminate against minorities and wants a $2,000 deductible for Medicare. He opposes gay marriage and, until recently, had a campaign staffer who is now charged with stomping on a woman who was trying to reach Paul to talk to him.

    I could go on, but I think you get the general idea. These candidates are just the tip of the iceberg and they all share a general mantra: namely that the achievements achieved in America during the 20th century (minimum wage, civil rights, clear air and water laws, the right to birth control, etc.) need to be revisited and, in many cases, undone. Normally, people like this would not be give the national platform for their radical views that they currently enjoy, but thanks to the bad economy and Fox News' war on Democrats, they are in the spotlight and have fooled many people into thinking they are just small government conservatives whose only desire is to get government off the backs of the people.

    I don't know if I've persuaded anybody with my writing, but I hope I have. We risk taking a gigantic step backwards if we let the so-called "Tea Party" gain a foothold in our government - not just as gay men, but as members of American society and the middle glass. I hope you will all get out and vote on Tuesday and think about what I've said.
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    Nov 01, 2010 12:55 AM GMT
    you're about as mixed up as ever.
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    Nov 01, 2010 3:59 AM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidyou're about as mixed up as ever.


    I think he's pretty clear. Nothing he said isn't true.
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    Nov 01, 2010 4:04 AM GMT
    It seems the Dems have managed to fumble every aspiration of every group of supporters that put them in control of the govt. They couldnt have done better if they had run on a platform of Fuck It Up.
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    Nov 01, 2010 4:59 AM GMT
    Well SB1500, it's nice to see that you are still in the habit of replying to political posts you disagree with by attacking the poster. Maybe your screen name should have been AdHominem1500 instead.
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    Nov 01, 2010 5:02 AM GMT
    Don't be scared. Vote, and ignore all of the people at the polls that want to shove "sample" ballots at you when you walk in. Vote all 'Ds' and go home and relax. icon_lol.gif
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    Nov 01, 2010 5:06 AM GMT
    This may be of some interest, though it may not make you feel better:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/31/opinion/31rich.html?ref=opinion
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    Nov 01, 2010 7:25 AM GMT
    I recall a few elections ago in Canada we were promised that if the Liberals did not win that the country would no longer be recognizable as Canada. I was promised that abortions would be illegal; taxes would go through the roof; all social programs would end; gays would live in fear for their lives and women would be forced back to the kitchen. The conservatives have managed to put through some pretty stupid policies- but all of the promises that were made about ruination have been pretty fruitless.

    The Democrats and Republicans have been playing the same game. Recently I have been LMAO when I listen to the fear mongering. If these people are elected abortion rights will end, institutional racism will return, the wealthy will get (more) tax breaks at the expense of the majority, medicare will no longer exist and all social programs for the poor will disappear.

    For fun lets imagine that half of the people on your list get in. Do you honestly believe that they would have the support to ban abortions or raise the taxes to 23% on everything? Please don't get me wrong- the world will laugh if somebody such as O'Donnell is elected. However, after she makes an ass of herself for a few years she will be booted. (hopefully she actually tries to make laws against masturbation) After that the electorate will happily return to the Democrats and we can start this process all over again.

    You do have a few nutcases running. I am actually hoping that at least a few of them get elected for the laughs they will bring me for the next term (I really don't consider the odd asylum escapee in government to be a threat.) I am sure that I can count on Stewart and Colbert to bring me the latest in lunacy.

    O'Donnell 2010!!!

  • vindog

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    Nov 01, 2010 7:42 AM GMT



    It's true. Even if they get in they will find what everyone does: You have to make a lot of concessions to get even a shadow of your original idea passed.

    They are powerless once they get in, and the Dems and Repubs who are already there will brush them off...
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    Nov 01, 2010 8:34 AM GMT
    vindog said


    It's true. Even if they get in they will find what everyone does: You have to make a lot of concessions to get even a shadow of your original idea passed.

    They are powerless once they get in, and the Dems and Repubs who are already there will brush them off...


    That's pretty much what the Frank Rich says in his Op-Ed that I linked above.

    Unfortunately, I do think the Repubs can do a lot of damage, but I think fears that the party is going to become significantly more radical than it already is are unlikely to prove true. Of course, they really are bad enough already.
  • GQjock

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    Nov 01, 2010 10:11 AM GMT
    I share your negativity

    esp when McConnell and crew are pledging to further gum up the works and possibly shut down the government
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    Nov 01, 2010 12:20 PM GMT
    Much of the fear results from the fear-mongering tactics of the media and Democrats. The tactics are a logical means to try to marginalize the opposition. Most tea party supporters, moderate Republicans, and even some moderate Democrats are driven by a desire to reduce spending, taxes, and go back to an economy that encourages business growth. The main ones who should be disappointed are those who support the Obama policies. The polls show widespread dislike for them and the new Congress will deal with them and monitor expected abuses and over-reaching by the executive branch.
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    Nov 01, 2010 2:11 PM GMT


    "Common Sense Conservatism" . The idea that we could manage our way out of a burst housing bubble; a dilapidated transportation infrastructure; a corrupt and unsustainable financial/lending system...........and ALL we have to do SCREAM and singalong with Glenn Beck....is very, very appealing.

    Sarah Palin and the Republicans have been selling a 'Recovery Plan' for the lazy-minded. It was easy and for now, as popular as a 'no-workout' fitness plan.

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    Nov 01, 2010 2:15 PM GMT
    Socal, "Much of the fear results from the fear-mongering tactics of the media and Democrats."

    Those are the same tactics used by conservatives (like SB - topics like democratic party the party of death). Are you also saying that, for example, O'donnell never said any of that stuff and that the quotes from others like her are made up?

    -Doug
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    Nov 01, 2010 3:26 PM GMT
    Not saying the quotes are false; saying they won't ultimately matter.
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    Nov 01, 2010 3:37 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidyou're about as mixed up as ever.


    If mock says you're mixed up, you can rest assured you're right on the money.

  • Webster666

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    Nov 03, 2010 3:57 AM GMT
    Not to worry.
    --The Democrats will still have the majority in the Senate.
    --A Democrat will still be in the White House to veto any nonsense that comes out of the Congress.
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    Nov 03, 2010 4:03 AM GMT
    Webster666 saidNot to worry.
    --The Democrats will still have the majority in the Senate.
    --A Democrat will still be in the White House to veto any nonsense that comes out of the Congress.

    This is actually a good combination. 2012 here we come.

    Major Republican gains in the governors - will help redistricting for Republicans.

    FL Senator and NM Governor will help get Latino vote to Republican.

    The Obama charisma that was key in 2008 has been permanently debunked. The Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Illinois Republican sweep has repudiated him. He visited those states many times.
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    Nov 03, 2010 1:06 PM GMT
    I would rather have had the house go GOP than the senate.

    The big question is now: can John Boehner (assuming he's elected speaker) and the president work together productively? I'm strangely optimistic. Because say what you want about Boehner, he's no dummy and if he has any aspirations for the presidency, he will lead the House in a way Pelosi did not. She was a miserable failure, and I'm pretty damn sure bears huge responsibility for the blood bath in her chamber yesterday. Boehner has one shot at this... It's his moment to prove he's worthy of being closer than two bodies to the White House. All this was was a big, loud warning shot over Obama's shoulder. He and the Senate will be vulnerable if they don't meet Boehner and the House half way.

    My two cents.

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    Nov 03, 2010 2:11 PM GMT
    DJdorchester saidI would rather have had the house go GOP than the senate.

    The big question is now: can John Boehner (assuming he's elected speaker) and the president work together productively? I'm strangely optimistic. Because say what you want about Boehner, he's no dummy and if he has any aspirations for the presidency, he will lead the House in a way Pelosi did not. She was a miserable failure, and I'm pretty damn sure bears huge responsibility for the blood bath in her chamber yesterday. Boehner has one shot at this... It's his moment to prove he's worthy of being closer than two bodies to the White House. All this was was a big, loud warning shot over over Obama's shoulder. He and the Senate will be vulnerable if they don't meet Boehner and the House half way.

    My two cents.


    I think there is a lot of validity to what you say. On one hand, people want a functional govt and will hold responsible either party they believe is obstructing. On the other hand, the vote was a clear message, and if the Republicans compromise too much and not follow the message from the voters, they will be held responsible. On the balance, I think the Democrats will have to compromise more. Will be interesting.
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    Nov 03, 2010 2:24 PM GMT
    well Socal, I wouldn't worry too much about the Republicans compromising. The tea partiers, Mr Paul for example, I believe has basically said they are going to take over the Republican party. He also said this,


    'We are going to become the Republican Party'

    Yahoo Canada news last night.

    -Doug
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    Nov 03, 2010 2:59 PM GMT
    All eyes will now be on what Republicans actually help get done. Everyone ready for $5 gas prices?