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    Nov 01, 2010 7:52 PM GMT
    looking into a new laptop.

    i'm trying to find something in between a desktop replacement, a gaming rig and a portable notebook.
    ...right... lol

    i don't mind the weight and i can live with only 2 hours of battery when going strong.

    budget : 1500-1800 $

    so far 3 models :

    Asus G73 jh x3
    Lenovo Ideapad 560 , with the i7
    Toshiba Qosmio x500 .

    i hear about driver issues with the Radeon 5750 and 5870 but they're fixable.


    I'm not really into buying a Macbook pro btw.
    but i wonder if anyone has one of those 3 above ?
    would appreciate feedback icon_smile.gif

    and i'm open to any new suggestion too.

    thanks.
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    Nov 01, 2010 8:00 PM GMT
    I'm really digging the new Sony Vaio notebooks. Not sure what screen size you're looking for, but if I had money to burn, I'd get the Vaio Y-series. You can get it with either a Core i3 or i5. And with integrated graphics or ATI graphics.

    http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&categoryId=8198552921644693499
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    Nov 01, 2010 10:08 PM GMT
    After working on laptops for years doing small repairs for myself and friends, I'll never get another laptop besides a Thinkpad or Lenovo. They're so easy to work on. And, I've replaced the case, the LCD, hard drive, fan, memory, etc... with little or no work. Also, their support website (for errors or drivers) is awesome. Repairs and warranty are also great. I have a five year old Thinkpad that still runs like the day I bought it with only $200 in upgrades over those 5 years. Also, I've dumped two cans of diet coke on the keyboard with absolutely no side effects. I've dropped it down a flight of steps and off the arm of a sofa onto a concrete floor and only received a 1/4" crack in the case from it.

    Having said that, I would NEVER purchase a Sony, HP or Toshiba laptop ever again. Those things are either built with crappy parts, a pain in the ass to repair/take apart, have AWFUL support call centers/websites, or have so much pre-installed software, it makes them slower than dirt.

    My two cents would be for the Lenovo.

    Good luck.
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    Nov 01, 2010 10:13 PM GMT
    Whatever you pick, you'll have 50% of people say it's great and 50% of people will say it's the worst piece of crap they've ever used. You know what they say about opinions.

    Personally, I've used a Dell Studio 17 laptop for about two years and have no complaints at all.

    If I was in the market for a laptop like you described, I'd be looking at the Dell XPS 14" laptop.
  • jim_sf

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    Nov 01, 2010 10:15 PM GMT
    halltd saidMy two cents would be for the Lenovo.


    Make that four cents for the Lenovo. They build excellent systems that you'll be able to use (and abuse!) for a long time.
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    Nov 01, 2010 10:18 PM GMT
    I find Toshibas to be somewhat over-complicated for a laptop - to much additions to them.

    The Asus is usually a cheap option, but I'd more likely go for the Lenovo out of the options you mentioned.
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    Nov 02, 2010 12:01 AM GMT
    Ehhh I dont like macs for some reason. I hate macs since there are alot of programs that are not compatible with macs and the interface on a mac is soo horrible. I hate the mouse and keyboard since they rename like simple stuff into these other words which is just annoying. I was at the apple store the other day with my sister and we were looking at the new macbook air and etc. I found a mac that had 500g hard drive and 4gb ram which was 2200 dollars and I was surprised! I just bought my comp 3 weeks ago which is a sony vaio with 500g hardrive and 4gb ram and 13 inch monitor for about 1500 with tax, warranty to cover everything and the reboot disk. Its great since it runs smoothly and has an i5 processor, the battery life isnt that bad as well since it last about 4 hrs. I got it best buy since I can do monthly payments on it for 18 months without interest. Look at frys electronic and ask around there, you might find good deals for computers there and better quality than a mac.

    Hp, Sony, and Macs are the most reliable brands for computer. Im a sony fan so I like sony alot since there product is always top quality and last for along time. Macs are good for battery life and its very hard to get a virus on a mac. Hp is good if you dont have a lot of money.
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    Nov 02, 2010 12:22 AM GMT
    Don't know much at all about Lenovo or Asus, but I have had a few friends with Toshiba laptops and they all sucked! It's probably just the way Toshiba pre-programs the computers which you could totally bypass, but I would not buy one. They also seemed flimsy and poorly built.

    I've had a Sony Vaio that is now going on 7 years old and still runs like new... kind of crazy, but you just have to know how to take care of it. Though it really means nothing as to the quality of their machines now, I would definitely consider looking into Sony... but I just like their products in general.
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    Nov 02, 2010 12:29 AM GMT
    halltd saidAfter working on laptops for years doing small repairs for myself and friends, I'll never get another laptop besides a Thinkpad or Lenovo. They're so easy to work on. And, I've replaced the case, the LCD, hard drive, fan, memory, etc... with little or no work. Also, their support website (for errors or drivers) is awesome. Repairs and warranty are also great. I have a five year old Thinkpad that still runs like the day I bought it with only $200 in upgrades over those 5 years. Also, I've dumped two cans of diet coke on the keyboard with absolutely no side effects. I've dropped it down a flight of steps and off the arm of a sofa onto a concrete floor and only received a 1/4" crack in the case from it.

    Having said that, I would NEVER purchase a Sony, HP or Toshiba laptop ever again. Those things are either built with crappy parts, a pain in the ass to repair/take apart, have AWFUL support call centers/websites, or have so much pre-installed software, it makes them slower than dirt.

    My two cents would be for the Lenovo.

    Good luck.

    Yup. ThinkPads are built like tanks. My old T30 lasted for years. I had an issue with the video, and had to send it in for repairs. It was still under warranty. Service was top notch. I dropped it off at an authorized repair center. They shipped it to the main IBM repair facility somewhere in the midwest. Got it back in 5 business days.

    I would love to get an X-series. But I wish Lenovo would offer discrete graphics and an HDMI port on those.
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    Nov 02, 2010 12:36 AM GMT
    I always pay the extra $100 or so for on-site repair. That way if something breaks, they'll come to my home or office the next day and repair it. If it's a customer replaceable item, the part is on my door step in the morning. It's awesome!!

    I wish they'd offer more discrete graphics and hdmi ports too. Since I use AutoCAD and other graphics applications on a regular basis, I really need the upgraded graphics...but don't want the beast of their "mobile" workstation.
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    Nov 02, 2010 12:52 AM GMT
    A_1991 said

    the interface on a mac is soo horrible...

    I found a mac that had 500g hard drive and 4gb ram which was 2200 dollars and I was surprised! I just bought my comp 3 weeks ago which is a sony vaio with 500g hardrive and 4gb ram and 13 inch monitor for about 1500 with tax...


    the mac interface is different... it's not 'horrible'. if you don't like it, don't buy a mac. those of us that have used macs for 25 years think the windows interface is 'horrible'.

    ... and you get what you pay for with regard to the issue of 'cost' (which btw usually ignores TCO in favor of initial purchase price... as you have).

    "Apple continues its dominance, leading the PC category by a wide margin for the seventh straight year. Customer satisfaction with Apple’s computer products, including the iPad, rose 2% to an ACSI of 86—the highest score ever for Apple. The company now has a 9-point lead over its nearest competitor. No other company in the ACSI has as formidable a lead within its own industry. Innovation and product diversification, along with strong customer service, have long been at the center of Apple’s success."
    http://www.theacsi.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=222&Itemid=240

    of the three models you mentioned, i'll hold my nose and suggest the lenovo.
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    Nov 02, 2010 1:21 AM GMT
    rightasrain said
    A_1991 said

    the interface on a mac is soo horrible...

    I found a mac that had 500g hard drive and 4gb ram which was 2200 dollars and I was surprised! I just bought my comp 3 weeks ago which is a sony vaio with 500g hardrive and 4gb ram and 13 inch monitor for about 1500 with tax...


    the mac interface is different... it's not 'horrible'. if you don't like it, don't buy a mac. those of us that have used macs for 25 years think the windows interface is 'horrible'.

    ... and you get what you pay for with regard to the issue of 'cost' (which btw usually ignores TCO in favor of initial purchase price... as you have).

    of the three models you mentioned, i'll hold my nose and suggest the lenovo.


    I agree, it's different, but the reason I use a Mac is not because of the User Interface but because it's UNIX based and as a developer that suits my needs more than running Windows. Unfortunately with Apples news of no longer providing a Java Development Kit with new macs has left me wondering if this leaves me to either see what Oracle can provide or jump ship for now.

    I've been struggling with Windows 7 mainly in the fact that the user interface seems to be more of a Wrapper of what Windows XP is. You go to open the System Properties and you need to go through 2 user interfaces to get to where you want to get to and it's the exact same window as in XP?!?!?!

    Also the new file explorer is a nightmare, the left folder view no longer opens to the current view of the file view on the right. Context menus are never accurate either.

    It's a shame cause having a box with 8GB of RAM that the company endorses, I expected it to be a better experience - it's not.

  • ProveMe2010

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    Nov 02, 2010 1:40 AM GMT
    You should get a Lenovo Thinkpad W510 here is a review : http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=5573&review=lenovo+thinkpad+w510.
    Often, if Thinkpad have taken damage or stop working, typically, it is much less of a hassle to repair. (i.e.I only had to remove screw to remove to replace my hard drive on my Thinkpad X200)

    Generally, you should avoid consumer laptops (i.e. most brands you would find in a store) a get a business class laptop if durability is your top priority. However, business laptops cost more than a consumer laptop with comparable specs and business laptops may lack some multimedia features. I'm not too familiar with gaming, but the W510 uses NVIDIA Quadro FX 880M for its GPU, from http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-Quadro-FX-880M.24735.0.html indicates that games may not be optimized for this GPU even though it performs well on gaming benchmarks.

    If you do decided on a W510, Lenovo often have e coupons you may search for to lower the price.
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    Nov 02, 2010 4:08 AM GMT
    the Ideapad560 has HDRadeon 5730 discrete graphics and hdmi port.
    quote:
    "The IdeaPad Y560 is available with Corei3, Core i5 or Core i7 processors. All models are well equipped 1GB ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5730 discrete graphics, a 6-in-1 Card Reader, HDMI, eSATA, ExpressCard slot, 3 USB 2.0 ports, 802.11n WiFi, Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR and, of course, Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit OS"

    thanks for the feedback, this is actually helping.

    i know the macbook pro is a great machine. I've considered it . I just don't really go for the "gated city" mentality, that's all.

    i don't do spreadsheets et al but will need it for video editing , sound editing
    and gaming.
    I probably won't move it around that much which is why i was attracted to the Asus 17", 8 pounds box. ( + it has the ATI 5870 ) .

    btw, the lenovo has 3D but apparently it kind of sucks.

    think i'll stay away from toshiba considering the info here above .
    I had looked at the Vaio line, but the models i liked were way above budget.
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    Nov 02, 2010 4:27 AM GMT
    Ah lame, I clicked the thread cause I thought Bigbubba had another one

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    Nov 02, 2010 4:34 AM GMT
    Have you looked into the Dell Alienware M17x? You can use the NVIDIA GTX285M GeForce graphic card instead of the ATI Radeon. They are a bit pricey, though you can find Dell discount codes everywhere (online, professional memberships, bank and credit card companies, etc)
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    Nov 02, 2010 4:35 AM GMT
    xassantex said
    i know the macbook pro is a great machine. I've considered it . I just don't really go for the "gated city" mentality, that's all.


    I personally don't understand how buying a computer becomes ethical. This is something that seems to happen in all areas of technology so why not anything else?

    If it does the job, then does it really matter whether your ethically obliged to buy a computer?

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    Nov 02, 2010 4:52 AM GMT
    sydney_cider said
    xassantex said
    i know the macbook pro is a great machine. I've considered it . I just don't really go for the "gated city" mentality, that's all.


    I personally don't understand how buying a computer becomes ethical. This is something that seems to happen in all areas of technology so why not anything else?

    If it does the job, then does it really matter whether your ethically obliged to buy a computer?



    Humans, especially those in Western culture, are very attached to their things. It's long been agreed upon that we don't just buy things in a utilitarian fashion. The more we use the item, the more we deem it important to our happiness or to suit our needs, the closer we are to it, then the more we imbue anthropomorphic qualities to it.
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    Nov 02, 2010 4:59 AM GMT
    sydney_cider said
    xassantex said
    i know the macbook pro is a great machine. I've considered it . I just don't really go for the "gated city" mentality, that's all.


    I personally don't understand how buying a computer becomes ethical. This is something that seems to happen in all areas of technology so why not anything else?

    If it does the job, then does it really matter whether your ethically obliged to buy a computer?



    'gated city' refers to apple's supposed 'closed ecosystem'. i don't think he was referring to any ethical dilemma ?!?!?

    i think the perception about the closed ecosystem is largely a creation of the press/pundits and is repeated frequently. the reality is that a mac can run any program that runs in unix, linux, windows or os x. yes, you have to load virtual machines (and in the case of windows, buy or own the os) but you can cold boot into any of the os'es if you prefer. i don't find it difficult to justify the additional investment.
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    Nov 02, 2010 5:13 AM GMT
    rightasrain said
    sydney_cider said
    xassantex said
    i know the macbook pro is a great machine. I've considered it . I just don't really go for the "gated city" mentality, that's all.


    I personally don't understand how buying a computer becomes ethical. This is something that seems to happen in all areas of technology so why not anything else?

    If it does the job, then does it really matter whether your ethically obliged to buy a computer?



    'gated city' refers to apple's supposed 'closed ecosystem'. i don't think he was referring to any ethical dilemma ?!?!?

    i think the perception about the closed ecosystem is largely a creation of the press/pundits and is repeated frequently. the reality is that a mac can run any program that runs in unix, linux, windows or os x. yes, you have to load virtual machines (and in the case of windows, buy or own the os) but you can cold boot into any of the os'es if you prefer. i don't find it difficult to justify the additional investment.


    I know what "gated city" means.

    It's is still the disapproval to how someone runs the company and it's products. It's an ethical debate. Apple doesn't like Flash, they have an alternative. Apple restricts iPod use on Windows but not on their own platform

    I don't fully agree with this whole "closed ecosystem" that Apple is starting to enforce more lately, but once it no longer becomes useful, I'm not going to use that as an excuse not to get one.

    Besides, Microsoft used to be like this and look what happened, they are struggling to keep up in key markets. Now they have the full Microsoft Office suite on Mac OS X, a Windows Phone 7 sync tool available for Mac OS X, they even allow their enterprise customers to choose whether they use BizTalk or TIBCO.

    Are you getting value and function for money? That's what the decision should be based on.

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    Nov 02, 2010 6:37 AM GMT
    function and value.
    the macbook pro with a core i5 is more than i can afford, or want to rather.
    it's alsmot 1,900 before tax here.

    the lenovo i7, 6bg ram comes up to $1692 cdn, taxes included .


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    Nov 02, 2010 6:38 AM GMT
    xassantex saidfunction and value.
    the macbook pro with a core i5 is more than i can afford, or want to rather.
    it's alsmot 1,900 before tax here.

    the lenovo i7, 6bg ram comes up to $1692 cdn, taxes included .



    Brilliant. You have your answer icon_smile.gif
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    Nov 02, 2010 6:39 AM GMT
    brilliant ??? are you patronizing me ? icon_rolleyes.gif lol
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    Nov 02, 2010 6:40 AM GMT
    xassantex saidbrilliant ??? are you patronizing me ? icon_rolleyes.gif lol


    Not at all. At least not my intention.

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    Nov 02, 2010 6:46 AM GMT
    i'm sure you had no mean intention .
    i just find it funny how those things slip out our mouth - or fingers- sometimes.
    thanks for the opinions btw.