Aikido as self defense

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    I've been wanting to take up a martial art for some time now, and I'm especially attracted to Aikido because it seems relatively peaceful, and turns the force of the aggressor against them, while minimizing the energy expended by the aggressed. So the aggressor is likely to get exhausted or intimidated before they can do any damage.

    My question is whether any of you have used Aikido in real-life self defense situations. Does it work? Were you able to defend yourself? Would it stand up to other martial arts? I'm generally concerned about how practical martial arts are for real-world self defense. I have seen them practiced as fitness programs, or as cardio workouts, but are they useful beyond those purposes?
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    Nov 05, 2010 2:54 AM GMT
    If you want to learn something that will be effective fast, learn some mixed martial arts--really anything that's heavy on Brazilian jiu jitsu and Muay Thai. If you appreciate the philosophical approach of Aikido, find yourself a good teacher and prepare to spend 5 years before you can defend yourself and 10 before you can do it without seriously hurting the other person in most circumstances. Where Aikido really shines over most martial arts is in its adaptability, in the wide application of its fundamentals, and in its efficacy against multiple attackers.
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    Nov 09, 2010 3:51 AM GMT
    BoulderingBum is right. Aikido is very elegant and when used by an experienced practitioner is also very effective. There is a saying that it's not the weapon but the warrior. I extend this to martial arts in general. Regardless of the style, it is about the individual's approach and ability.

    If you are looking for effective self-defense, have a look at schools that have an active sparring program that aims at the goal of practical use. What this means is visiting places and getting a feel for them to see if your specific needs will be met.

    Good luck!
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    I've been wanting to take up a martial art for some time now, and I'm especially attracted to Aikido because it seems relatively peaceful, and turns the force of the aggressor against them, while minimizing the energy expended by the aggressed. So the aggressor is likely to get exhausted or intimidated before they can do any damage.

    My question is whether any of you have used Aikido in real-life self defense situations. Does it work? Were you able to defend yourself? Would it stand up to other martial arts? I'm generally concerned about how practical martial arts are for real-world self defense. I have seen them practiced as fitness programs, or as cardio workouts, but are they useful beyond those purposes?


    I've gone to tags with someone who trains in Aikido... it was kind of pathetic.
    However, the martial artist does make the art and not the other way around. I suppose if you were effective at utilizing the techniques in Aikido it would be useable. I've practiced Kalari for 12 years now and Im still going. A martial art isn't something you can just pick up and expect to master. Like the previous people said take up a MMA if that is what you are looking for. Also, there is nothing more disgraceful than a 'noob' trying to walk the walk before he has even learned to crawl yet. So if you do go into a martial arts be prepared to spend hours and years learning it. Like I mentioned earlier I've been practicing for years now and currently at level 4 or veremkai. I can defend myself quite well and I am also confident that regardless of the amount of opponents that I will win if none of them are above my skill level. It is most definitely a practical form of self-defense. You haven't seen real martial arts practice another way than the way they have been taught since they began. Gyms that try to 'teach' you a martial arts while giving you a workout are frauds. Goto a real teacher not some gym rat wanna be.
  • neosyllogy

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    Nov 09, 2010 4:09 AM GMT
    +1 to bouldering bum's general sentiment

    A few years ago I decided to pick up a martial art. I was initially really attracted to the idea of wing chun. Seemed cool. Decided to do some foot work and see if it was legit. The short version? Any martial art that does not have as it's focus (or at least a major focus) competition under relatively open rules is a joke from the martial perspective. Aikido, kung-fu, most karate, etc. are not going to help you defend yourself. The reasons are a few. Including both (A) the fact that you can't figure out good practice from armchair fighting--it involves an incredibly large number of variables, and if you don't compete against someone who's actively trying make you lose there's no way to separate wheat from chaff (B) even if you're learning good technique, you won't be able to apply it unless you actually spend the many, many hours doing competitive training to learn how to translate the techniques to a live environment (timing, weight application, counters, etc.).

    There are lots of different kind of aikido, some more philosophical in bent some less so. But, having done both judo and brazilian jiu jitsu (two competitive sports) with aikido black belts it does not translate well to practical applications even in good cases. Which is not to say it's useless, but... it's mostly supplemental. And in some cases it's just a joke practiced without context. For example, there's a lot of focus on hand grabbing and wristlocks from a handshake-like position. Usually trained as though such movements have some general applicability when they're actually inheritance form a time when a samurai wanted to stop another samurai from drawing a sword. It's like a game of telephone, the meaning get's lost when repeated over and over again without any objective standards to judge technique against (competition).

    That said, the applicability of any martial art in a self-defense situation is worth questioning. If you want to get really good it takes a lot of time. If you're playing the odds, you'll spend a lot more time training than you would likely have lost do to getting hurt by some thug unless your circumstances are particularly dangerous (e.g. cop). I train because I love the sports. Applicability in a self-defense situation is a bonus, but, is also limited. A lot of common self-defense situations that world class fighters probably wouldn't be able to get themselves out of. (If there are more of them than you, or they're better armed, things are definitely not looking so great. ;)

    Short version, if you are concerened with actual applicability to a fight take up a martial sport. For a decently sized guy boxing or the like (e.g. muay thai, sanda) will give you the best bang for your time invested.
    Ground based fighting like BJJ is really powerful in one-on-one situations, especially if the other guy is significantly stronger. That said, if you're in (for example) a bar, or any case where there's a good chance that the guy has a buddy nearby you probably don't want to go to the ground. My opinion.

    (Oh, one other thing. Some people like to say "it's the martial artist, not the art" - that's BS. If that were really true you could just make up your own damn martial art. Not all martial arts are created equal (and even within them, not all gyms are created equal). The early UFC's and vale tudo fights in brazil that pitted styles against eachother made that inequality very clear. In case this comes up. ;)

    pps: (sorry this is so long icon_smile.gif Wherever you go, please, please, please be sure to do your homework. There are bad instructors and outright frauds out there. Lots of good online resources to look into these things. If you're interested in anything MMA ish (bjj, muay thai, boxing, etc.) look up some mma training forums and ask people's opinions before committing to a gym. Good chance you'll be glad you did.
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    Nov 09, 2010 4:25 AM GMT
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    (Oh, one other thing. Some people like to say "it's the martial artist, not the art" - that's BS. If that were really true you could just make up your own damn martial art. Not all martial arts are created equal (and even within them, not all gyms are created equal). The early UFC's and vale tudo fights in brazil that pitted styles against eachother made it very clear that martial arts are not equal. In case this comes up. ;)


    Most people who master a form of martial arts fight with their own style but follow the same basics of the teaching. You really don't know what martial arts are about. Those who think that they are a tool for fighting are ignorant of the truth that lies in them.
    All styles are sup-pair to my kalari if we are going down to technique alone. We posses the most deadliest techniques so by your logic all practicers of Kalari are the best.
    Ignorant. It IS the martial artists that makes the art. I know people who practice Tai Chi who could easily take out any of the UFC fighters.
    Don't compare a martial arts to some bastardize form of entertainment. It is obviously you are one of those 'competitors' and not an actually student of the martial arts.
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    Nov 09, 2010 4:29 AM GMT
    Yes, I've used it, and it works. Training on balance, agility and awareness takes some time, and for that you need a school that specializes in self-defense as its goal (as opposed to "art").

    Most people who are attracted to Aikido prefer it to harder styles taught for MMA because of its defensive use (rather than attack/offense).

    You will not use it to perform many submission or tap-out moves (although many of the joint locking techniques are beautiful), but you can use it very well if you prefer to avoid battery charges.
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    Nov 09, 2010 4:55 AM GMT
    I also prefer BJJ, but Aikido is definitely cool
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    Nov 09, 2010 12:52 PM GMT
    neosyllogy said

    (Oh, one other thing. Some people like to say "it's the martial artist, not the art" - that's BS. If that were really true you could just make up your own damn martial art. Not all martial arts are created equal (and even within them, not all gyms are created equal). The early UFC's and vale tudo fights in brazil that pitted styles against eachother made it very clear that martial arts are not equal. In case this comes up. ;)


    If we imagine all martial styles as the bast of a pyramid, the ultimate goal of each style, the apex of said pyramid, is the same, regardless of where you begin on the base of it. Essentially all martial arts sprouted from one guy (or girl) who viewed their world as a set of physical problems and utilized the human body (whose ability to manipulate itself is relatively limited in that there is a finite way one can strike with the hands, arms, legs, feet, back, head, etc) to solve those problems. This is why one can see very specific and peculiar styles out there, but ultimately, at the highest level of the style I would argue that it is comparable with any one out there, Mok Bara included.

    Every style has punches; every style has kicks; every style has throws, locks, etc. What separates fighters out from every style--and here I mean "good" fighters--is the individual's ability to understand his/her style and turn it into something that works will with his/her individual body (as not everyone is the same). That is the concept we teach at my kung fu school. My style can be very effective and is very practical with a relatively short learning curve depending on the person. It all falls back to the individual. Also regardless of the style, if you don't practice it, you will not be comfortable using it in a real world situation.
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    Nov 09, 2010 3:57 PM GMT
    aaaand as you can see there are obviously many other opinions. (Though I think at least one of the above is trolling. icon_smile.gif)

    Arguing here would be akin to arguing for western medicine and scientific method when talking to proponents of alternative medicine. A fine discussion to have, but one that's been had many times in many places if you're inclined to follow it, no need to go through the motions here. (Mechanisticaly, a better analogy would be post- and pre- empirical notions of natural philosophy I think, but you get the idea.)

    Anyway, good luck. icon_wink.gif
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    Nov 09, 2010 5:39 PM GMT
    neosyllogy has some really good points.

    if u want to learn how to fight effectively on the streets w fast results, and don't care much about the culture, philosophy and history of Budo/martial arts, you should join an MMA gym.

    A lot of traditional martial arts do seem outdated in terms of practical application in a real fight, so why practice it?
    because the emphasis in BUDO (japanese martial arts) is the learning process, cultivating body and mind. Not so much the application or realization of the technique, (which is BUJUTSU).
    During the Meiji restoration (modernization) in late 19th century Japan, the warrior class (samurai) were disarmed and in a more peaceful society the "skills of war" (BUJUTSU) were replaced by "way of war" (BUDO), meaning the styles were now to be practiced just for physical fitness, discipline and so on.
    A good illustration of this is the weapon styles e.g Kendo (swordfighting w bamboo swords). It has little practical application to learn swordfighting today. no one does that because they want to fight w swords in the streets. it's the process of learning, the culture, and the fun of competition, that has kept these styles alive.

    that said, I really hate when someone claims their style is still a very effective means of self defense, when it is clearly more of a traditional martial ART, than it is useful for real fighting.



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    Nov 10, 2010 4:11 AM GMT
    it can be very effective. but remember when learning martial arts everyone has there own natural skill level no martial arts is better than the other it comes down to the individual. yes akido can be very effective to hold its own aggainst other martial arts.
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    lift_n_run saidI'm generally concerned about how practical martial arts are for real-world self defense. I have seen them practiced as fitness programs, or as cardio workouts, but are they useful beyond those purposes?

    It really depends who's using it. If you try to punch someone who's been seriously practicing for more than a decade and sparring regularly, you won't even be able to land a hit.

    Then again, if you try to punch somebody from one of the local McDojos, you might just clean his clock in a single hit.

    There ARE differences between the different arts as well. Hapkido & Karate are probably my favorites for self defense. They're brutally effective, but Hapkido's nice because it offers ways to subdue w/o seriously injuring your opponent. (So does Aikido, but it doesn't generally focus on strikes) A combination is always best, but that takes even more time/dedication.

    The real secret isn't in the martial art though - it's in developing reflexes. If you played around with your friends and sparred every day, you'd probably become adept at defending yourself eventually even w/o learning an actual martial art.

    mnboy saidThose who think that they are a tool for fighting are ignorant of the truth that lies in them.
    All styles are sup-pair to my kalari if we are going down to technique alone.

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    mnboy saidThose who think that they are a tool for fighting are ignorant of the truth that lies in them.
    All styles are sup-pair to my kalari if we are going down to technique alone.

    Ignorance... icon_rolleyes.gif


    The last statement you are taking out of context. You are ignoring the fact that I was saying that my style is better in contrast to someones statement that the martial arts was more important than the martial artist.
  • SoDakGuy

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    Nov 23, 2010 8:41 PM GMT
    DO IT! I say learning any martial arts or even some form of boxing is an awesome way to learn self defense. It's also a great workout AND you do gain self confidence too!
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    Nov 23, 2010 8:56 PM GMT
    I took Aikido for many years as a teen growing up and from the one fight I have been in during my life, I can say with a degree of certainty that I was better prepared for it than my counterpart. He never touched me...

    If it is something that interests you then I would say try it out. Learning how to defend yourself is not a lost cause.
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    lift_n_run said
    I've been wanting to take up a martial art for some time now, and I'm especially attracted to Aikido because it seems relatively peaceful, and turns the force of the aggressor against them, while minimizing the energy expended by the aggressed. So the aggressor is likely to get exhausted or intimidated before they can do any damage.

    My question is whether any of you have used Aikido in real-life self defense situations. Does it work? Were you able to defend yourself? Would it stand up to other martial arts? I'm generally concerned about how practical martial arts are for real-world self defense. I have seen them practiced as fitness programs, or as cardio workouts, but are they useful beyond those purposes?


    I've gone to tags with someone who trains in Aikido... it was kind of pathetic.
    However, the martial artist does make the art and not the other way around. I suppose if you were effective at utilizing the techniques in Aikido it would be useable. I've practiced Kalari for 12 years now and Im still going. A martial art isn't something you can just pick up and expect to master. Like the previous people said take up a MMA if that is what you are looking for. Also, there is nothing more disgraceful than a 'noob' trying to walk the walk before he has even learned to crawl yet. So if you do go into a martial arts be prepared to spend hours and years learning it. Like I mentioned earlier I've been practicing for years now and currently at level 4 or veremkai. I can defend myself quite well and I am also confident that regardless of the amount of opponents that I will win if none of them are above my skill level. It is most definitely a practical form of self-defense. You haven't seen real martial arts practice another way than the way they have been taught since they began. Gyms that try to 'teach' you a martial arts while giving you a workout are frauds. Goto a real teacher not some gym rat wanna be.


    LOL ok there.... IMO I don't think you should really open your mouth about a style you have never truly tasted, you've had a few limited encounters with a style and feel the need to describe that it was pathetic? What's really pathetic is your attitude... in the martial arts world, and life for that matter, experience is paramount... It's abundantly clear you know nothing of substance about Aikido, and in the future should maybe talk about things you do 'own' and understand. OH! and as for that outlandish claim that you can take on any number of opponents (granted none were above your skill level)... ANYWAY!

    +1 to Boulderbums and Neosyllogy.

    to the OP. ultimately if you're heart is in it, I say go for it... I did Aikido for a few years and absolutely loved it, there are skills I have taken from the style that I value very highly and there was certainly A LOT more to learn from Aikido.. Does Aikido have unique skill sets to offer? Yes. Will you enjoy it? Likely, if you find a good teacher. Practical Martial style? After at minimum of a decade training I would say yes (but depends what situation you're in icon_razz.gif , having another style to compliment it wouldn't be a bad thing ;) ) . As Neosyllogy pointed out the style can aid you in other styles you may move towards down the road - think of it like adding tools to the tool box. It wont hurt to try it out/or other styles for that matter, so go on and form your own opinion. Best of luck!
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    mnboy said
    I've gone to tags with someone who trains in Aikido... it was kind of pathetic.
    However, the martial artist does make the art and not the other way around. I suppose if you were effective at utilizing the techniques in Aikido it would be useable. I've practiced Kalari for 12 years now and Im still going. A martial art isn't something you can just pick up and expect to master. Like the previous people said take up a MMA if that is what you are looking for. Also, there is nothing more disgraceful than a 'noob' trying to walk the walk before he has even learned to crawl yet. So if you do go into a martial arts be prepared to spend hours and years learning it. Like I mentioned earlier I've been practicing for years now and currently at level 4 or veremkai. I can defend myself quite well and I am also confident that regardless of the amount of opponents that I will win if none of them are above my skill level. It is most definitely a practical form of self-defense. You haven't seen real martial arts practice another way than the way they have been taught since they began. Gyms that try to 'teach' you a martial arts while giving you a workout are frauds. Goto a real teacher not some gym rat wanna be.


    LOL ok there.... IMO I don't think you should really open your mouth about a style you have never truly tasted, you've had a few limited encounters with a style and feel the need to describe that it was pathetic? What's really pathetic is your attitude... in the martial arts world, and life for that matter, experience is paramount... It's abundantly clear you know nothing of substance about Aikido, and in the future should maybe talk about things you do 'own' and understand. OH! and as for that outlandish claim that you can take on any number of opponents (granted none were above your skill level)... ANYWAY!


    Did you miss, "However, the martial artist does make the art and not the other way around. I suppose if you were effective at utilizing the techniques in Aikido it would be useable. "?
    I describe the person I faced as pathetic not the style. I went onto say that it is the Martial Artist that makes the style and not the other way around.
    Can you even read?
    However, if you want to test me come on up to 473 Gould St. Winona, MN icon_smile.gif
    Im more than confident in my ability to defend myself.
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    I've gone to tags with someone who trains in Aikido... it was kind of pathetic.
    However, the martial artist does make the art and not the other way around. I suppose if you were effective at utilizing the techniques in Aikido it would be useable. I've practiced Kalari for 12 years now and Im still going. A martial art isn't something you can just pick up and expect to master. Like the previous people said take up a MMA if that is what you are looking for. Also, there is nothing more disgraceful than a 'noob' trying to walk the walk before he has even learned to crawl yet. So if you do go into a martial arts be prepared to spend hours and years learning it. Like I mentioned earlier I've been practicing for years now and currently at level 4 or veremkai. I can defend myself quite well and I am also confident that regardless of the amount of opponents that I will win if none of them are above my skill level. It is most definitely a practical form of self-defense. You haven't seen real martial arts practice another way than the way they have been taught since they began. Gyms that try to 'teach' you a martial arts while giving you a workout are frauds. Goto a real teacher not some gym rat wanna be.


    LOL ok there.... IMO I don't think you should really open your mouth about a style you have never truly tasted, you've had a few limited encounters with a style and feel the need to describe that it was pathetic? What's really pathetic is your attitude... in the martial arts world, and life for that matter, experience is paramount... It's abundantly clear you know nothing of substance about Aikido, and in the future should maybe talk about things you do 'own' and understand. OH! and as for that outlandish claim that you can take on any number of opponents (granted none were above your skill level)... ANYWAY!


    Did you miss, "However, the martial artist does make the art and not the other way around. I suppose if you were effective at utilizing the techniques in Aikido it would be useable. "?
    I describe the person I faced as pathetic not the style. I went onto say that it is the Martial Artist that makes the style and not the other way around.
    Can you even read?
    However, if you want to test me come on up to 473 Gould St. Winona, MN icon_smile.gif
    Im more than confident in my ability to defend myself.


    !edit: I think it's necessary I dont fuel your fire, let me be clear... it's how I interpreted your comment. It just seems like such a stupid and redundant thing to mention! if you subscribe to the notion that its the person not the style, then there should be no reason to mention your past 'pathetic' aikido sparring/training budy - Just to be clear! :edit!

    lol yeh, I didn't feel it was necessary to bring light to all the things that I didn't agree with in your post (or to call your style inferior! winner winner chicken dinner!). unlike you I am not trying to separate myself or debase other styles or thoughts. I don't need to justify my existence and superiority. Wait... ok maybe a little, here I am responding to you after all, I have to admit you annoy me. The two statements, TO ME, are contradictory.... to say aikido is pathetic, and then go on to say what you did is redundant... you can't truly subscribe to the notion that 'the martial artist does make the art and not the other way around' and at the same time clump an entire group together based on your few encounters with said practitioners. But anyway whatever have it your way princess fluffy pants! I just find it ridiculous for someone who has NEVER immersed himself in a subtle style of martial art like aikido to speak of it as if he knows anything. Speak about things you know.

    As for your TRULY pathetic offer to challenge me... What do you think I have to prove? that I can beat some 18 year old who feels that he's the beeze neeze of martial arts, who 'regardless of how many opponents will win'. you think I want to see you defeated?... I'd be too late at the rate you're going. I don't think I've EVER seen such a ridiculous offer... yeh, let me just fly across the Atlantic to piss on your little parade, that's your style not mine. I don't care how good you think you are, I have my doubts but don't give two shits about your rep. IMO you're about as deep as a toilet bowl... and as others have brought light a troll too.

    OH! and maybe, just maybe! consider this, posting your address (if that is indeed what it is) may not be the wisest thing on a public forum... regardless of how good a 'fighter' you think you are... I've come across your other insightful diaglogues on RJ. They are equally as disheartening - what is the world coming to? Can I read? I think so.. I mean maybe.. can I?... ahh... haha you got me...! icon_redface.gificon_razz.gif

    Good day princess puffy pants.
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    Nov 24, 2010 1:12 AM GMT
    Aikido is many things, but I would characterize it more as a study of harmony than a martial art. If self-defense is your immediate concern, you might find other ways more practical.

    That said, I have no doubts about its effectiveness at advanced levels. It's amazing to watch and be a part of. :-)
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    !edit: I think it's necessary I dont fuel your fire, let me be clear... it's how I interpreted your comment. It just seems like such a stupid and redundant thing to mention! if you subscribe to the notion that its the person not the style, then there should be no reason to mention your past 'pathetic' aikido sparring/training budy - Just to be clear! :edit!

    lol yeh, I didn't feel it was necessary to bring light to all the things that I didn't agree with in your post (or to call your style inferior! winner winner chicken dinner!). unlike you I am not trying to separate myself or debase other styles or thoughts. I don't need to justify my existence and superiority. Wait... ok maybe a little, here I am responding to you after all, I have to admit you annoy me. The two statements, TO ME, are contradictory.... to say aikido is pathetic, and then go on to say what you did is redundant... you can't truly subscribe to the notion that 'the martial artist does make the art and not the other way around' and at the same time clump an entire group together based on your few encounters with said practitioners. But anyway whatever have it your way princess fluffy pants! I just find it ridiculous for someone who has NEVER immersed himself in a subtle style of martial art like aikido to speak of it as if he knows anything. Speak about things you know.

    As for your TRULY pathetic offer to challenge me... What do you think I have to prove? that I can beat some 18 year old who feels that he's the beeze neeze of martial arts, who 'regardless of how many opponents will win'. you think I want to see you defeated?... I'd be too late at the rate you're going. I don't think I've EVER seen such a ridiculous offer... yeh, let me just fly across the Atlantic to piss on your little parade, that's your style not mine. I don't care how good you think you are, I have my doubts but don't give two shits about your rep. IMO you're about as deep as a toilet bowl... and as others have brought light a troll too.

    OH! and maybe, just maybe! consider this, posting your address (if that is indeed what it is) may not be the wisest thing on a public forum... regardless of how good a 'fighter' you think you are... I've come across your other insightful diaglogues on RJ. They are equally as disheartening - what is the world coming to? Can I read? I think so.. I mean maybe.. can I?... ahh... haha you got me...! icon_redface.gificon_razz.gif

    Good day princess puffy pants.


    Lol icon_biggrin.gif Aren't you just a bundle of disgruntle rage.
    You can spin it how you want I didn't say Aikido was pathetic just the person I went to tags with was. By that logic I CAN and did say that the person I went to tags with was an Aikido user and pathetic. It doesn't mean that Aikido is pathetic just that the person was.
    I already said that it is the Martial Artist and not the Martial Arts so why are you still trying to tell me that? If I recall I was the first person to even say that in this thread? Stuck on repeat?
    Again, you are claiming that I said Aikido was pathetic when I didn't. So you are trying to make a point of something that didn't happen?
    Assuming that I have never study Aikido is kind of rash and ignorant. I know enough about Aikido to respect it which is why I said "if you were effective at utilizing the techniques in Aikido it would be useable" but oyu must be ignoring that statement too. I wish I could ignore clearly stated sentences like you.

    You don't know anything about Kalari do you? My style is most effective against multiply opponents. Although like I said Im confident that I can win, regardless. However, I didn't know you were in Europe but whatever.

    The reading question was rhetoric but Im glad you felt compelled enough to answer.

    Now,
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    costaki said
    !edit: I think it's necessary I dont fuel your fire, let me be clear... it's how I interpreted your comment. It just seems like such a stupid and redundant thing to mention! if you subscribe to the notion that its the person not the style, then there should be no reason to mention your past 'pathetic' aikido sparring/training budy - Just to be clear! :edit!

    lol yeh, I didn't feel it was necessary to bring light to all the things that I didn't agree with in your post (or to call your style inferior! winner winner chicken dinner!). unlike you I am not trying to separate myself or debase other styles or thoughts. I don't need to justify my existence and superiority. Wait... ok maybe a little, here I am responding to you after all, I have to admit you annoy me. The two statements, TO ME, are contradictory.... to say aikido is pathetic, and then go on to say what you did is redundant... you can't truly subscribe to the notion that 'the martial artist does make the art and not the other way around' and at the same time clump an entire group together based on your few encounters with said practitioners. But anyway whatever have it your way princess fluffy pants! I just find it ridiculous for someone who has NEVER immersed himself in a subtle style of martial art like aikido to speak of it as if he knows anything. Speak about things you know.

    As for your TRULY pathetic offer to challenge me... What do you think I have to prove? that I can beat some 18 year old who feels that he's the beeze neeze of martial arts, who 'regardless of how many opponents will win'. you think I want to see you defeated?... I'd be too late at the rate you're going. I don't think I've EVER seen such a ridiculous offer... yeh, let me just fly across the Atlantic to piss on your little parade, that's your style not mine. I don't care how good you think you are, I have my doubts but don't give two shits about your rep. IMO you're about as deep as a toilet bowl... and as others have brought light a troll too.

    OH! and maybe, just maybe! consider this, posting your address (if that is indeed what it is) may not be the wisest thing on a public forum... regardless of how good a 'fighter' you think you are... I've come across your other insightful diaglogues on RJ. They are equally as disheartening - what is the world coming to? Can I read? I think so.. I mean maybe.. can I?... ahh... haha you got me...! icon_redface.gificon_razz.gif

    Good day princess puffy pants.


    Lol icon_biggrin.gif Aren't you just a bundle of disgruntle rage.
    You can spin it how you want I didn't say Aikido was pathetic just the person I went to tags with was. By that logic I CAN and did say that the person I went to tags with was an Aikido user and pathetic. It doesn't mean that Aikido is pathetic just that the person was.
    I already said that it is the Martial Artist and not the Martial Arts so why are you still trying to tell me that? If I recall I was the first person to even say that in this thread? Stuck on repeat?
    Again, you are claiming that I said Aikido was pathetic when I didn't. So you are trying to make a point of something that didn't happen?
    Assuming that I have never study Aikido is kind of rash and ignorant. I know enough about Aikido to respect it which is why I said "if you were effective at utilizing the techniques in Aikido it would be useable" but oyu must be ignoring that statement too. I wish I could ignore clearly stated sentences like you.

    You don't know anything about Kalari do you? My style is most effective against multiply opponents. Although like I said Im confident that I can win, regardless. However, I didn't know you were in Europe but whatever.

    The reading question was rhetoric but Im glad you felt compelled enough to answer.

    Now,
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    Or do you whining/ranting else where.


    lol...
    I did not find it clear, maybe I do have a problem reading your clear statements "I've gone to tags with someone who trains in Aikido... it was kind of pathetic"... you've gone to 'tags' with someone who trains in aikido - IT was kind of pathetic. To follow up, I was pointing out that it was rather superfluous and ignorant for you to say the two statements side by side. Anyway soooo over it princess puffy pants... thanks for putting me in my rightful place ;)

    I am sure you have never studied Aikido.... Unless you somehow found more time to fit that in with your 4 top sports "Soccer (10 years), Wrestling(8 years), Baseball(5 years), and Martial Arts( 12 years)" - Martial art being Kalari.... what do you study everything and nothing well? Or are you some self proclaimed master of all that is good and athletic?
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    May 07, 2011 5:35 PM GMT
    I took Aikido for a number of years. It works with what are commonly referred to as "entering moves," you literally move into the attack so you can take the initiative and energy from your opponent. It turns the aggressor's weight and force upon themselves. It is very effective but very counter to how one would instinctively try to defend themselves without martial training. I especially thought being taught how to breakfall, and tumble when someone knocks you down pretty damned useful. Nothing gives an aggressor pause like bouncing right up and facing them in one fluid movement. Considering all this I would highly recommend it to anyone as a discipline, but it will take some time and dedication to utilize it effectively.
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    May 07, 2011 5:47 PM GMT
    I loved aikido. I still do. You wind up pulling from all different styles when your more than a hobbyist. I love open hand styles and have never used any of my styles in real life. I will not allow myself to get into a situation where i would have to apply what I am trained in.
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    May 08, 2011 1:26 PM GMT
    too many responses i cbb reading. as a general for "self defense" i would say no to aikido.. though really any martial art is valid if you're willing to put in the time ,effort and dedication.

    but i think you will progress quickest at an RBSD or CQC school if your main goal is self-defense, because they continually simulate adrenaline dumps