Just moved to Toronto, should I take a job in Los Angeles?

  • hyperionx

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    Nov 03, 2010 5:07 AM GMT
    I just moved to Toronto from the states a year ago. I am not enjoying it, but...

    1. I have a sizable amount of family here.
    2. I have a great job already.

    However, if I move to Los Angeles...
    1. I would move about three or four rungs up a corporate ladder.
    2. I would be really far away from everything I've ever known, I'm an east-coast person. I've never even been out west.

    Thoughts?
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    Nov 03, 2010 5:16 AM GMT
    Give it a shot. Many of us who live here came from somewhere else. Making a move is not only an adventure but would give you the opportunity for personal growth, getting out of your comfort zone. Plus, many things to do year-round with great weather.
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    Nov 03, 2010 5:32 AM GMT
    I'm with Socal, give it a go. You're 28 with lots ahead of you. Plan ahead; if you don't like it there, could you come back? Would you want to, considering you're not having a great time in TO?

    -Doug
  • hyperionx

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    Nov 03, 2010 5:45 AM GMT
    meninlove said I'm with Socal, give it a go. You're 28 with lots ahead of you. Plan ahead; if you don't like it there, could you come back? Would you want to, considering you're not having a great time in TO?

    -Doug


    I'd certainly want to come back, this is home. I mean I'm not having the time of my life here, but it's cozy, even during the winter. Los Angeles doesn't experience winter though. A huge plus!
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    Nov 03, 2010 7:28 AM GMT
    hyperionx said
    meninlove said I'm with Socal, give it a go. You're 28 with lots ahead of you. Plan ahead; if you don't like it there, could you come back? Would you want to, considering you're not having a great time in TO?

    -Doug


    I'd certainly want to come back, this is home. I mean I'm not having the time of my life here, but it's cozy, even during the winter. Los Angeles doesn't experience winter though. A huge plus!

    Many things to do. Very healthy lifestyle. Just a warning - many come expecting to go back, but decide to stay. Not hard visiting and staying in touch with friends and family in the east.
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    Nov 03, 2010 10:47 AM GMT
    I personally love LA. I can't wait to get a job there, and that's easy in my line of work.

    You're 28. Go for it!
    It's good that you're working at such a young age.
  • skininethousa...

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    Nov 03, 2010 11:16 AM GMT
    I say go for it. If you end up not liking it, I do not think it would be difficult to return. If you loved Toronto, it would be a tougher decision, but based on your post, you are still looking for a place you love to live.

    Good Luck!
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    Nov 03, 2010 2:30 PM GMT
    I lived in Ohio until my late 30s. I saw lots of friends (mostly straight) move to LA over the years. And coincidentally I came to know several native LA folks who moved to Ohio. Most of the stories that came back were all the same. They had difficulty establishing genuine reliable friendships in LA, and were turned off by totally self-absorbed people. Lots of two-faced acquaintances, who act like they love you and want to be your friend but who you never hear from again. They found that the best people they met were other transplants from the Midwest. That said, some of my friends have stayed there, eventually (over several years) found a few reliable friends, and benefited from the career opportunities LA presents. My native LA friends who escaped to Midwest wholesomeness are some of the most genuine, coolest people I've ever met. And there must be others like them still living in LA. Good luck finding them.
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    Nov 03, 2010 2:43 PM GMT
    I just moved out here.... it's taking some time to get used to, but I am doing a job that I love and am moving upward in my career. I'm willing to stick it out for a while. And hey, if you move out here, I'd be glad to be friends.
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    Nov 03, 2010 2:44 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidI have met several guys that lived in LA that charmingly persuasive and then unexpectedly dropped me like a hot potato. I am talking really reckless and thoughtless shit, very noncommittal. There is a bullshit factor that I have experienced from the west coast that I have not experienced anywhere else throughout the United States.


    I have found this to be true with many people I've met here in Denver as well. Guess where they moved here from? icon_wink.gif

    Makes me really miss the east coast, but the weather here just can't be beat!

    Hyperionx, how long do you have to make a decision about taking the job in LA? Is there any way you could make a week-long or even a 2-week-long trip to wander around the city and see if it's a place you could see yourself living? If you moved a few rungs up the corporate ladder, are you sure you would still enjoy doing your job?
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    Nov 03, 2010 2:48 PM GMT
    Being an east-coaster,I also moved to the west-coast to experience and absolutely hated everything about the west-coast mentality so I ended up leaving after 3 months
    Something to consider...
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    Nov 03, 2010 2:57 PM GMT
    SAHEM62896 saidI just moved out here.... it's taking some time to get used to, but I am doing a job that I love and am moving upward in my career. I'm willing to stick it out for a while. And hey, if you move out here, I'd be glad to be friends.


    Hey Hyperionx, I'd take up SAHEM on this kind offer because he's a really great guy! (and rather pleasant on the eyes)

    -Doug
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    Nov 03, 2010 3:10 PM GMT
    I'm at your same age - risk is the reason why most of us continue to succeed. However, you're the only true person whom would know what is best for you.

    I think you know what you have in mind, and it never hurts - family will always be there to support you. What's key is that you are making a decision soley based on your future.

    Good luck!
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    Nov 03, 2010 3:43 PM GMT
    if i had the chance, i would move back to LA in a New York minute....you'll forget where TO even is after a year there.......Keithicon_cool.gif
  • Import

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    Nov 03, 2010 4:39 PM GMT
    Dude, are u kidding?
    Totally move to LA, it's beautiful there.
    Great weather, beautiful scenery, liberal people, like it's fucking awesome. Way better than Toronto which stays cold as fuck for like 10 months out of the year. How depressing is that?


    Besides, u live in Canada. Think about it... Fucking canada?
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    Nov 03, 2010 4:42 PM GMT
    hyperionx saidI just moved to Toronto from the states a year ago. I am not enjoying it, but...

    1. I have a sizable amount of family here.
    2. I have a great job already.

    However, if I move to Los Angeles...
    1. I would move about three or four rungs up a corporate ladder.
    2. I would be really far away from everything I've ever known, I'm an east-coast person. I've never even been out west.

    Thoughts?


    networks.... LA offers great networks
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Nov 03, 2010 4:42 PM GMT
    hyperionx saidI just moved to Toronto from the states a year ago. I am not enjoying it, but...

    1. I have a sizable amount of family here.
    2. I have a great job already.

    However, if I move to Los Angeles...
    1. I would move about three or four rungs up a corporate ladder.
    2. I would be really far away from everything I've ever known, I'm an east-coast person. I've never even been out west.

    Thoughts?


    Besides the job experience and promotion, do it for the sheer adventure of moving to an exciting place like L.A. What's the worst that can happen? Well, okay, granted...The Big One could hit and a building falls on your head, but besides that -- GO FOR IT!!!! icon_lol.gif
  • hyperionx

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    Nov 03, 2010 4:59 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    Hope you make the right decision for yourself.
    This must be very exciting to contemplate.
    Good luck. icon_razz.gif


    It is very exciting to contemplate! As always, I appreciate your well-thought out, and direct assessment of the matter. icon_biggrin.gif
  • MuscleComeBac...

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    Nov 03, 2010 5:06 PM GMT
    Are you being 'recruited' to move, or did you apply?

    If the former, will they pay for your relocation? If the latter, why did you apply?

    Do you like, love, or are indifferent to the job/work being offered?

    Will the money and the advancement add or remove stress from your life?

    If the job were in Toronto, would you take it?
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    Nov 03, 2010 5:07 PM GMT
    I would say go for it. You really have nothing to lose. When I decided to move to Phoenix from Michigan, I thought of it as the great adventure. Now I am ready for another one.
  • hyperionx

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    Nov 03, 2010 5:07 PM GMT
    Import saidDude, are u kidding?
    Totally move to LA, it's beautiful there.
    Great weather, beautiful scenery, liberal people, like it's fucking awesome. Way better than Toronto which stays cold as fuck for like 10 months out of the year. How depressing is that?


    Besides, u live in Canada. Think about it... Fucking canada?


    Respectfully, I cannot agree with you on that. Toronto does have beautiful scenery, liberal people, and it isn't cold for 10 months! Plus Canada has health care, gay marriage, equal rights, and laws banning hate speech (think Westboro Baptist Church, no way that would be allowed in Canada).

    This is not a bash Toronto thing, the city just doesn't feel like home yet. Should I leave it so quickly though?
  • hyperionx

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    Nov 03, 2010 5:10 PM GMT
    MuscleComeBack saidAre you being 'recruited' to move, or did you apply?

    If the former, will they pay for your relocation? If the latter, why did you apply?

    Do you like, love, or are indifferent to the job/work being offered?

    Will the money and the advancement add or remove stress from your life?

    If the job were in Toronto, would you take it?


    I'm being recruited, and yes they will. I think the job is an excellent opportunity. It would be just as stressful, but I'd be getting more for it.

    If it were in Toronto, I would snap it up in a heartbeat.
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    Nov 03, 2010 5:11 PM GMT
    hyperionx saidI just moved to Toronto from the states a year ago. I am not enjoying it, but...

    1. I have a sizable amount of family here.
    2. I have a great job already.

    However, if I move to Los Angeles...
    1. I would move about three or four rungs up a corporate ladder.
    2. I would be really far away from everything I've ever known, I'm an east-coast person. I've never even been out west.

    Thoughts?


    Do whatever makes sense for you. No person here knows the pros and cons of each place. That's something you'll have to work through on your own.
  • metta

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    Nov 03, 2010 5:29 PM GMT
    No one can answer this but you. You just need to decide what is more important to you, your goals (short term and long term), what you value more, etc. and try and find a balance that works for you.
  • MuscleComeBac...

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    Nov 03, 2010 5:39 PM GMT
    hyperionx said
    MuscleComeBack saidAre you being 'recruited' to move, or did you apply?

    If the former, will they pay for your relocation? If the latter, why did you apply?

    Do you like, love, or are indifferent to the job/work being offered?

    Will the money and the advancement add or remove stress from your life?

    If the job were in Toronto, would you take it?


    I'm being recruited, and yes they will. I think the job is an excellent opportunity. It would be just as stressful, but I'd be getting more for it.

    If it were in Toronto, I would snap it up in a heartbeat.


    So, go. I truly think you will have an adventure that will change you for the better. L.A. is like any city on earth - it's what YOU make of it. It has thousands upon thousands of things to recommend it, and thousands upon thousands of things that are draw backs. Balance is up to you, not to the city. Go, snap it up and take the risk while you can afford it, or at least 'better' afford it than further down the line. Negotiate that they pay for your flights home at the holidays each year. That's a no-brainer for a company that's recruiting you and paying for the move. I've negotiate that for folks I had to re-locate. Terms and conditions are simple - coach, lowest available fare, cap of no more than $x00 dollars r/t. Chances are you won't use it more than once anyway, more people visited me when I lived in L.A. for ten years than visited me in NYC and Orlando combined over 25 years. Also negotiate your move as a flat fee - get a cost-average for the relocation, and tell them you want it as a flat fee that you must reimburse to them if you leave the job within 12 months or they dismiss you for cause. That way you don't have to provide receipts etc and you can move for less and keep the difference as a bonus, if you're smart about it. Also, as condition of hire, if they eliminate your job or lay you off within 24 months of hire, they must pay for your relocation back to the city of your choice. This kind of negotiation is done all the time. Have your recruiter work it out for you, not you and HR, that way they play middle man and you and your future employer can be on a level field emotionally when you start. Let the recruiter take the hits.

    Go for it.