What the hell to do? HGH or not?

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    Mar 11, 2008 6:02 AM GMT
    I just have some questions and I'm kind of lost. I hope maybe someone will have an answer or an opinion. I've been having a lot of joint pain, chest, and neck pain. I’ve had chest pain for three years, neck pain for four months, and joint pain for one month. I've been to different doctors and they're all idiots. I went to one doctor and told him about the chest pain and after a lot of test he said I have costo chronditis which stands for chest pain in doctor’s terms. So I paid a lot of money to be told that I have chest pain. I was told not to exercise because they don’t know if it will cause more damage. So after 27 different blood works, X-rays, MRI's, 6 doctors, and 3 month of a Chiropractor I was told to take vicodin, loratabs and tylenol 3 and 4's and to get used to the pain because they don’t know what it is so there is nothing that can be done . Idiots!! The doctors above didn’t even feel my neck or chest they just prescribed pain pill and tests. So I went to a massage therapist and come to find out I have knots in the muscles or torn cartridge between the ribs that they can’t get worked out or fixed and is extremely painful. There is also a vertebra that sticks out and swells up mostly later in the day (but the MRI came back fine). I was told finally to go to the gym if I wanted to but it’s been too painfully to lift or do any exercises. I was wondering about the HGH and would you think it might build up the muscle or help in anyway so I might be able to start going to the gym? I want to get into better shape I used to work 90 hours a week for the last 4 and a half year and now with the pain I work 20 hours a week if that. I don’t know if HGH or something around that would do anything and if so, would a doctor prescribe it to me? Also what doctor do I want to see: Family or Specialist? The family doctors around here are scared to give antibiotics. The specialists gave me pain pills so I would shut up and leave. I don’t know if this is something to ask on here or not but I just want to know some opinion on what they would do in my shoes. Just a note the joint pain comes and goes now. I've been taking Joint Juice (1500 mg glucosamine drink a day) and super omega 3 fish oil. I'm trying anything that might work. Thanks for any input.
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    Mar 11, 2008 2:19 PM GMT
    Get a new pit crew. Doesn't sound like the folks you are using know what's up.

    It could be any of a number of things. GH pros and cons aside, you need to get to the bottom of it.

    Ditch all the over the counter crap. You might even have some allergy.

    There's a long list of things that should be going on.

    Get a new pit crew.
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    Mar 11, 2008 4:12 PM GMT
    Why would hGH even come into your mind as something to use for joint point? If hGH were a magic bullet for joint pain, it would be the most prescribed medication in the world today. And unless you have AIDS and have wasting syndrome, your doctor will not prescribe it for you.

    hGH is not a pain killer, it doesnt solve joint pain.

    Do some research on your own of the diagnosises they give you, and come back to them with questions. If you are dissatisfied with their answers, then do as Chucky said..."get a new pit crew".

    Doctors who precribe narcotics for pain without any investigation into the underlying reasons is not doing his job. I've had 4 surgeries on my shoulder, and I think it would have been irrsponsible to myself and for my surgeon to carve me up without telling me the underlying reason for my pain.

    Be an informed consumer, and demand more from your doctors. If they cant give it to you get a new doctor.
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    Mar 11, 2008 5:27 PM GMT
    Thanks guys for the opinions. I've been told it could be Rheumatoid Arthritis or Fibromyalgia. Also if you read that HGH has been shown to improve joint and muscle strength with patitients with RA and Fibromyalgia. This is why I thought about it. Here a couple of websites.

    http://www.healthcentral.com/rheumatoid-arthritis/news-197350-66.html

    http://www.discount-igf.com/rheumatoidarthritis.htm


    Also I have been to 4 family doctors and all of them have told me that they have no clue and it puzzles them. I have also been told to go to Mayo's Clinic but why go that far with it. If it is RA or Fibromyalgia there is nothing that can be done. So its a big waste of time and money to be told that I have something that they cant fix. So I looked up ways to help or fix it myself and thats why Im asking about HGH. Thanks guys for you help.
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    Mar 11, 2008 6:13 PM GMT
    I would recommend that you see a rheumatologist. I noticed that you didn't mention any NSAIDS prescribed in your treatment. Painkillers might take the edge off, but anti-inflammatories seem to have helped the women in my family with Fibromyalgia. My sister's Lupus manifests as rheumatoid and psoariatic arthritis and on most days she manages with NSAIDS, but occasionally has to do a prednisone taper to get through the rough patches. Good luck!
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    Mar 11, 2008 7:06 PM GMT
    MrMike25 saidThanks guys for the opinions. I've been told it could be Rheumatoid Arthritis or Fibromyalgia. Also if you read that HGH has been shown to improve joint and muscle strength with patitients with RA and Fibromyalgia. This is why I thought about it. Here a couple of websites.

    http://www.healthcentral.com/rheumatoid-arthritis/news-197350-66.html

    http://www.discount-igf.com/rheumatoidarthritis.htm


    Also I have been to 4 family doctors and all of them have told me that they have no clue and it puzzles them. I have also been told to go to Mayo's Clinic but why go that far with it. If it is RA or Fibromyalgia there is nothing that can be done. So its a big waste of time and money to be told that I have something that they cant fix. So I looked up ways to help or fix it myself and thats why Im asking about HGH. Thanks guys for you help.


    hGH has been shown to do a lot of things in trials. But remember there is a HUGE difference between what a drug can do in some patients vs. having a full-scale clinical trial and being approved by the FDA for that purpose. The steroid Deca-Durabolin has also shown to provide better joint movement in some patients...but my surgeon wasn't about to prescribe Deca because of a few studies.

    MrMike, I am certainly not discounting your pain, be it from RA or fibromyalgia. Those are two very real and painful conditions to have. I don't think, however, in the current climate surrounding steroids and hGH use in sports, that a doctor will prescribe it. And getting hGH on the black market can be a risky and expensive proposition: most hGH on the black market is fake, and would cost $20 a day for a useful dose. GH has a very short halkf-life in the body, so it needs to be dosed daily, and a minimum of 4-6 weeks.

    You may also have to face to possibility - as unpleasant as it sounds - that the best you may be able to do is manage the pain of your condition (until a breakthrough in biotech occurs, such as successful stem cell results). Trust me, I know pain management isn't easy or pleasant. My right shoulder is permanently damaged, similar to what MLB pitchers get from over-extension. No surgery is going to relieve the pain I have, so I've learned pain management techniques. Obviously being on opiates for the rest of your life is probably not an option, but maybe there are other techniques.

    If you have the option of going to the Mayo Clinic, I would not consider it a waste of time or money to get an accurate diagnosis. If they tell you its RA or Fibro, at least you'll know for sure, and you can adopt a treatment plan from there. I, for one, would feel more comfortable being 100% certain of a diagnosis.

    And keep checking up on the Internet for resources on fibromyalgia. I see an ad here in the Bay Area that puts up a site for resources and treatment options for people with fibro - the next time I see it I'll post it or email it to you.

    I really hope you can get an accurate diagnosis, and our thoughts are with you. Just be more aggressive in your own knowledge when dealing with your doctors. As with anything, and informed consumer is the best consumer.
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    Mar 11, 2008 10:23 PM GMT
    Thanks guys for your info. RBY71 I have tried NSAIDS but nothing has helped. I havent tried any Corticosteroids yet because they usually make me sick and gain weight. I called the doctor today to get prednisone or something for the inflammation and they didn’t have an appt open but they told me that I could come in and wait and they would fit me in. So I went there and after 20 mins of waiting they told me I wasn’t sick enough to be fitted in. You got to love it. I would love to find out what it is to be exact. I have been going to a rheumatologist and he grab my knees and elbows and asked if it hurt when I told him no he said your fine and here are some pain pills. Also he wanted to see me again in a month. It took three months to get in to see him in the first place and he didn’t do anything. Anyway I understand about the HGH and I didn’t want to use it unless someone on here said it would work for that or there was a good reason for me to take it. Also, LatinMuscleSF I did look at Deca-Durabolin and thought about that also. Just getting some ideas of what is the next step to go. Thanks for the info. I have been to a lot of doctors and maybe I shouldn’t be but I’m trying to fix it myself because they havent helpped. I’m just getting some ideas. You guys have given me a lot to think about. Thanks
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    Mar 12, 2008 6:04 PM GMT
    corticosteriods are causing weight gain? Golly. They're catabolic.
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    Mar 12, 2008 6:07 PM GMT
    I've been lifting weights for 33 years now. As such, I never experience joint point.

    I notice that your profile is incomplete. Perhaps this is an over-sight, or perhaps, you're just plain lazy.

    While I think you should see a new group of professionals, to see if you have any of a number of diseases, getting off your ass may be a course of action, as well.