"The Universe Exists Because of Spontaneous Creation" -Stephen Hawking

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    Nov 04, 2010 1:33 AM GMT
    "The Universe Exists Because of Spontaneous Creation" -Stephen Hawking


    http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2010/09/the-universe-exists-because-of-spontaneous-creation-stephen-hawking.html
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    Nov 04, 2010 6:25 AM GMT
    Although this is intriguing, it's a thing that will be impossible to test for centuries. This offers another account of creation, but it smacks to me as unprovable as saying God did it. An analogy I think that applies to this is like saying money was created when the first coin fell on a caveman's lap.

    I understand and accept the spontaneous existence (and annihilation) of subatomic particles, but today's particles are appearing/disappearing (in theory) in "established" four-dimensional space-time--something that wasn't (hypothetically) present prior to or at the Big Bang.

    I agree with Hawking that God isn't needed to explain creation, but spontaneous creation is as much of a stretch. Both require pre-existence of some agent or condition for creation to occur, and I think that house is being built on an insurmountable paradox.
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    Nov 04, 2010 6:33 AM GMT
    mickeytopogigio saidAlthough this is intriguing, it's a thing that will be impossible to test for centuries. This offers another account of creation, but it smacks to me as unprovable as saying God did it. An analogy I think that applies to this is like saying money was created when the first coin fell on a caveman's lap.

    I understand and accept the spontaneous existence (and annihilation) of subatomic particles, but today's particles are appearing/disappearing (in theory) in "established" four-dimensional space-time--something that wasn't (hypothetically) present prior to or at the Big Bang.

    I agree with Hawking that God isn't needed to explain creation, but spontaneous creation is as much of a stretch. Both require pre-existence of some agent or condition for creation to occur, and I think that house is being built on an insurmountable paradox.



    But don't you think that's it's endlessly awesomely cool that that paradox isn't a paradox in its quantum state, but only in our perception of spacetime as we know it?
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    Nov 04, 2010 6:35 AM GMT
    Tazo995 said
    mickeytopogigio saidAlthough this is intriguing, it's a thing that will be impossible to test for centuries. This offers another account of creation, but it smacks to me as unprovable as saying God did it. An analogy I think that applies to this is like saying money was created when the first coin fell on a caveman's lap.

    I understand and accept the spontaneous existence (and annihilation) of subatomic particles, but today's particles are appearing/disappearing (in theory) in "established" four-dimensional space-time--something that wasn't (hypothetically) present prior to or at the Big Bang.

    I agree with Hawking that God isn't needed to explain creation, but spontaneous creation is as much of a stretch. Both require pre-existence of some agent or condition for creation to occur, and I think that house is being built on an insurmountable paradox.



    But don't you think that's it's endlessly awesomely cool that that paradox isn't a paradox in its quantum state, but only in our perception of spacetime as we know it?


    yes
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    Nov 04, 2010 6:36 AM GMT
    chaos444 said
    Tazo995 said
    mickeytopogigio saidAlthough this is intriguing, it's a thing that will be impossible to test for centuries. This offers another account of creation, but it smacks to me as unprovable as saying God did it. An analogy I think that applies to this is like saying money was created when the first coin fell on a caveman's lap.

    I understand and accept the spontaneous existence (and annihilation) of subatomic particles, but today's particles are appearing/disappearing (in theory) in "established" four-dimensional space-time--something that wasn't (hypothetically) present prior to or at the Big Bang.

    I agree with Hawking that God isn't needed to explain creation, but spontaneous creation is as much of a stretch. Both require pre-existence of some agent or condition for creation to occur, and I think that house is being built on an insurmountable paradox.



    But don't you think that's it's endlessly awesomely cool that that paradox isn't a paradox in its quantum state, but only in our perception of spacetime as we know it?


    yes


    Yup its all in our perception
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    Nov 04, 2010 6:37 AM GMT
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    Nov 04, 2010 6:58 AM GMT
    sxydrkhair saidHey did Stephen Hawking said there is no god?


    Did you read the article? What do you think?
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    Nov 04, 2010 7:08 AM GMT
    sxydrkhair saidHey did Stephen Hawking said there is no god?


    He said a god is not needed to create the universe. He personally does not believe in a 'personal god.'

    I share the same view.

    However, no respectable scientist would say for certain that there is no god(s)... or that there is god(s). Even Dawkins hasn't gone that far. That type of certainity is left for the religious.
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    Nov 04, 2010 7:21 AM GMT
    Just think how much more clever God would have to be to design a universe where He/She/It* could just point a finger or say "B-Bang", and it all unfolds over millions and millions of years and ends up with us. I think that's just cooler than a god who rolls snakes out of play-doh and the says "go forth and slither".



    *not meant to be disrespectful, but if God is so much more than us, isn't it presumptious for us to refer to God with a confining idea such as gender?
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    Nov 04, 2010 9:34 AM GMT
    conscienti1984 said
    sxydrkhair saidHey did Stephen Hawking said there is no god?


    He said a god is not needed to create the universe. He personally does not believe in a 'personal god.'

    I share the same view.

    However, no respectable scientist would say for certain that there is no god(s)... or that there is god(s). Even Dawkins hasn't gone that far. That type of certainity is left for the religious.


    Yup, god is not scientifically provable or unprovable, so that is another matter altogether from science
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    Nov 05, 2010 1:49 AM GMT
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    South Park had the best God. ..
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    Nov 05, 2010 2:50 AM GMT
    All of this has happened before, and it will all happen again.

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    Nov 05, 2010 3:03 AM GMT
    GAMRican saidAll of this has happened before, and it will all happen again.


    The Book of Pythia; The Cycle of Time.

    So say we all?
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    Nov 05, 2010 3:57 AM GMT
    Studinprogress said
    GAMRican saidAll of this has happened before, and it will all happen again.


    The Book of Pythia; The Cycle of Time.

    So say we all?



    Frackinay!
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    Jan 17, 2011 10:44 PM GMT
    BlackLabSD said
    Studinprogress said
    GAMRican saidAll of this has happened before, and it will all happen again.


    The Book of Pythia; The Cycle of Time.

    So say we all?



    Frackinay!


    Oh, feldercarb.