milk versus water

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    Nov 04, 2010 6:01 AM GMT
    i saw a post on a different website about using milk in your protein powder is less effective than using water. that the milk somehow blocks the protein or something like that. I was just curious if that was true or not.. lately i've been using V8 fusion juice with my protein powder. but i was really curious about the milk and water thing. any ideas?
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    Nov 04, 2010 10:24 AM GMT
    Sounds like a crock to me. Milk is a protein-rich drink that's low in fat, high in calcium and vitamins, and tasty. I think it makes protein shakes taste a whole lot better.

    Whey protein COMES from milk. Adding milk to it cannot negate it's effects.
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    Nov 04, 2010 10:43 AM GMT
    You gotta love the Internet. People will believe anything they read.

    Post the link, please. I'd like to review the entire story.
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    Nov 04, 2010 11:18 AM GMT
    DanceNFightR said i saw a post on a different website about using milk in your protein powder is less effective than using water. that the milk somehow blocks the protein or something like that. I was just curious if that was true or not.. lately i've been using V8 fusion juice with my protein powder. but i was really curious about the milk and water thing. any ideas?


    milk doesn't block protein. Milk has protein. Without reading whatever you read I assume it relates to an effect or hampering of speed nutrient transport, which milk can do pre-workout. post-workou is a different story and milk is probably better than water then cuz it carries more nutrients than water. so id have to see exactly what it said but if it is what i think, it is probably part true at least.
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    Nov 04, 2010 12:11 PM GMT
    I been told by my personal trainer, using water in protein power will result a better absorption by your stomach icon_exclaim.gif Not sure about this icon_confused.gif But using milk makes my choco protein power taste better icon_lol.gif
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    Nov 04, 2010 1:36 PM GMT
    I don't know if V8 fusion is acidic but I would think that might be worse then water or milk.... break down the protein in a bad way?

    Just a thought
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    Nov 04, 2010 3:11 PM GMT
    Bunjamon saidSounds like a crock to me. Milk is a protein-rich drink that's low in fat, high in calcium and vitamins, and tasty. I think it makes protein shakes taste a whole lot better.

    Whey protein COMES from milk. Adding milk to it cannot negate it's effects.


    Milk is low in fat? Oh, where or where did you do the math on that?

    2% milk has 8 grams of fat for every 488 grams (2 cups). It's LOADED with fat, in fact, so much so that it's more that McDonald's fries.

    Whole milk has almost 16 grams of fat for every 488 grams (2 cups).

    Whey protein used to be considered a by product in cheese production. Cheese is the fattie part of milk. Whey protein is the stuff that's left over from that process.

    Adding milk fat to protein adds fat, and LACTOSE, which many folks don't digest well.

    Milk also has considerable sugar, about 5 grams for every 2 cups, and 22 grams of carbs for that same measure.

    Did you even look at the nutrition values before your post?

    http://www.metroplexfitness.net/food_database/display_food_item?NDB_No=01077

    The fat content of milk will slow the absorption of the carbs, to some extent, and that may not be what you want post work out.

    Milk is NOT that protein rich, having only about 15 grams of protein in two cups (488 grams). Beef, for 488 grams, has 115 grams of protein in contrast, and fish even more. Milk is HARDLY protein rich in comparison.

    You're completely clueless on this.
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    Nov 04, 2010 3:16 PM GMT
    chuckystud said
    Bunjamon saidSounds like a crock to me. Milk is a protein-rich drink that's low in fat, high in calcium and vitamins, and tasty. I think it makes protein shakes taste a whole lot better.

    Whey protein COMES from milk. Adding milk to it cannot negate it's effects.


    Milk is low in fat? Oh, where or where did you do the math on that?



    There is skim milk, no fat.
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    Nov 04, 2010 3:20 PM GMT
    Of course, there's skim milk, but, re-read above. That's NOT what was referred to.

    http://www.metroplexfitness.net/food_database/display_food_item?NDB_No=01085

    Even then, the poster is WRONG in stating that it's protein rich. It's not, in comparison to many other foods.

    Folks talk out their behind all days long, when clearly they are just plain wrong.
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    Nov 04, 2010 3:27 PM GMT
    Most of your rant was about how fatty it was, so wanted to give an alternative.
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    Nov 04, 2010 3:29 PM GMT
    chuckystud saidOf course, there's skim milk, but, re-read above. That's NOT what was referred to.

    http://www.metroplexfitness.net/food_database/display_food_item?NDB_No=01085

    Even then, the poster is WRONG in stating that it's protein rich. It's not, in comparison to many other foods.

    Folks talk out their behind all days long, when clearly they are just plain wrong.


    Sure, you could drink liquefied beef and get tons of protein. Milk is HARDLY protein rich in comparison, but compared to water? V8 Fusion juice? The crap that people usually ingest every day like coke?

    As far as natural liquids are concerned, milk has quite a bit of protein, and the OP can increase his protein intake by drinking it.

    Perhaps I didn't state that I was referring to skim milk when I was talking about it being low-fat, but I've never drunk anything else in my life.
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    Nov 04, 2010 3:32 PM GMT
    I wonder if chuckystud has ever made a post that wasn't condescending. icon_question.gif
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    Nov 04, 2010 3:41 PM GMT
    I'd like to see a link to this story as well... rather than a bad summation of " blocks the proteins or something like that"
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    Nov 04, 2010 3:42 PM GMT
    beneful1 saidI'd like to see a link to this story as well... rather than it said "or something like that"


    The database references are in the postings. You just weren't reading properly.
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    Nov 04, 2010 3:43 PM GMT
    I'm talking about the OP's article/post he read on a different website where he got this information
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    Nov 04, 2010 3:58 PM GMT
    chuckystud said
    Bunjamon saidSounds like a crock to me. Milk is a protein-rich drink that's low in fat, high in calcium and vitamins, and tasty. I think it makes protein shakes taste a whole lot better.

    Whey protein COMES from milk. Adding milk to it cannot negate it's effects.

    ...

    Milk is NOT that protein rich, having only about 15 grams of protein in two cups (488 grams). Beef, for 488 grams, has 115 grams of protein in contrast, and fish even more. Milk is HARDLY protein rich in comparison.

    You're completely clueless on this.


    Skim milk has no fat. It's just sugar and protein.
    What's more it's very nice mixture of fast and slow absorbing proteins (whey and casein). It also contains BCAA (my opinions on them are none, but many have strong ones). The sugars should help promote an insulin response which ought to allow more protein absorption as well as better glycogen store regeneration immediately post-workout.

    There are a number of studies that show milk (of various fat levels) can be very helpful in the context of resistance training. The one's I've seen have generally been examining the advantages of milk by itself though.

    Here's a link to a 2008 review of the literature:
    Roy, B. Milk: the new sports drink? A Review J Int Soc Sports Nutr. 2008; 5: 15
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2569005/?tool=pubmed
    Reading the review above (it's very readable, not too technical) you'll see some mixed points, but it is on the whole very positive. How well milk complements post-workout supplements I don't know.

    In any case, chucky's comparison of milk to beef is poor. Milk is mostly water (comparing it to drier foods by weight or volume is silly). By calorie content it has a decent amount of protein, especially skim. Steak still has a higher protein:calorie ratio, but for most people steak still makes a poor post-workout food (and not just because of the lack of fast-absorbing whey proteins =).
    Milk has a relatively balanced profile of carbs : protein : fat (variable) -- naturally enough since infant animals depend wholly on it. =)

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    Nov 04, 2010 4:07 PM GMT
    beneful1 saidI'd like to see a link to this story as well... rather than a bad summation of " blocks the proteins or something like that"

    Seconded.
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    Nov 04, 2010 4:43 PM GMT
    Fat will slow absorption but I don't think milk would block any amino acids.

    Skim milk is NOT just sugar and protein.

    There are about five grams of sugar in skim milk, in 100 grams of skim milk, of the 24 grams of carbs. The rest are starches.

    Again, the poster lacks attention to detail.

    http://www.metroplexfitness.net/food_database/display_food_item?NDB_No=01085

    At any rate, if you want to drink milk, fine, but, keep your facts straight.

    Note that milk is also high in saturated fat.

    Understand, dairy producers, like corn growers, are always looking for new venues for their product.
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    Nov 04, 2010 8:37 PM GMT
    KardioKing saidI wonder if chuckystud has ever made a post that wasn't condescending. icon_question.gif


    I think it unlikely icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Nov 04, 2010 8:55 PM GMT
    As an innocent question on here and you get torn to shreds. icon_neutral.gif

    Any-who... My protein shake taste awful! -but I chug it down in one gulp- have you tried that?

    chuckystud said
    Milk is low in fat? Oh, where or where did you do the math on that?
    2% milk has 8 grams of fat for every 488 grams (2 cups). It's LOADED with fat, in fact, so much so that it's more that McDonald's fries.


    Yeah I was about to say....
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    Nov 04, 2010 9:55 PM GMT
    ALMOND MILK YUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMm



    haha alot of people just dont deal with dairy products very well in general.

    milk does have alot of sugar.... crazy how our society pushes kids to drink milk... and fucking retarded commercials on how chocolate milk after your workout is gonna turn you into a better athlete! bahaha crock of shit
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    Nov 04, 2010 10:26 PM GMT
    hmmm interesting read... although i think theres better options.

    dairy fucks up ur ph balance. its acid forming. if u remain alkaline, ur body wont be inflamed and it will recover faster... but i did read the article, thanks for posting it!
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    Nov 04, 2010 10:32 PM GMT
    tinymike saidhmmm interesting read... although i think theres better options.

    dairy fucks up ur ph balance. its acid forming. if u remain alkaline, ur body wont be inflamed and it will recover faster... but i did read the article, thanks for posting it!



    Please provide a credible source of information on those claims. Sounds like health food store sales hooey.
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    Nov 05, 2010 1:23 AM GMT
    chuckystud said

    http://www.metroplexfitness.net/food_database/display_food_item?NDB_No=01085

    At any rate, if you want to drink milk, fine, but, keep your facts straight.

    Note that milk is also high in saturated fat.




    wtf? r u retarded?
    even the link u post doesnt support ur rant on milk.
    and milk is high in saturated fats? lol. yeah i guess steak really does have less saturated fats than milk. get a clue dude.
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    Nov 05, 2010 1:23 AM GMT
    tinymike said
    dairy fucks up ur ph balance. its acid forming. if u remain alkaline, ur body wont be inflamed and it will recover faster... but i did read the article, thanks for posting it!


    wtf?