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    Mar 11, 2008 7:20 PM GMT
    Hey guys. I am going to put this out there bluntly. I am an overweight guy looking to lose the pounds and get my butt into shape.

    I have started going to the gym doing 35 minutes of cardio on the elliptical. Then I start with stomach crunches and torso twists. All which are fine but, then when I sit down in my car to go home, I get massive stomach cramps. I mean so painful I nearly pass out. Am I doing my workout wrong or is there something else causing these cramps?

    My goal is to effectively work out, lose the pounds and gain back my true physique. Any tips or tricks are greatly appreciated.

    Thanks!

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    Mar 11, 2008 8:14 PM GMT
    Have you had a checkup with your doctor recently? If not, I would make an appointment. It's hard to say what's going with you from just a few words on an internet message board. Check with your doctor just to be safe.
  • GQjock

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    Mar 11, 2008 10:08 PM GMT
    Of course if you've got any medical problems they have to be addressed first before you start any training
    ...But assuming you're relatively healthy
    a few things can be going on
    First if you head out to the gym soon after eating you're going to get cramps
    also if you start breathing heavy during a workout pushing yourself too hard you'll go into anaerobic metabolism and this will lead to abdominal cramps

    Now since you said that you get them after all is done
    and you're sitting in your car it sounds to me that you're getting muscle spasms because your muscles are not used to the work
    What to do...you need a better way for your body to come down from the workout
    a nice slow cool down will help
    go for a little ten to fifteen min walk
    stretch out for 5 to ten mins
    ortake a little bike ride
  • GeorgeNJ

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    Mar 12, 2008 1:21 AM GMT
    My initial reaction is that you're overdoing it.

    If I understand correctly, you're overweight and out of shape. You haven't exercised before. I would suggest do an aerobic exercise for 10 or 15 minutes for a couple of weeks, then work up in increments of about 5 minutes each week or so.

    And similar for your abdominal workouts. Go slow. Not only are you using new muscles, you're also stretching them out in ways they are not used to.

    While I agree totally with the advice above, my gut reaction is you're trying to accomplish too much too fast. Take the long view: think in terms of goals for about 6 months from now, not 6 days from now.
  • morholt

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    Mar 12, 2008 1:40 AM GMT
    If you can afford it get a personal trainer.
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    Mar 12, 2008 1:49 AM GMT
    im just waiting for chucky to give him a piece of his mind. can anyone hear it coming? :-P
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    Mar 12, 2008 2:01 AM GMT
    nwphx1972 saidHave you had a checkup with your doctor recently? If not, I would make an appointment. It's hard to say what's going with you from just a few words on an internet message board. Check with your doctor just to be safe.


    First off, the best advice along with the others who recommended it.

    As the Munkins said, when asked the same "...at the beginning":


    ...after visiting and getting the ok from your regular doctor or if none or expenses prohibit it, you local health dept., Start by decreasing intake of food, eating less and less often, cutting out the snacks.
    Then ask a gym owner, friend, or rely on your body to know how much to start with. As you get stronger, and drop the pounds, perhaps the lesser weight will help you increase workout time.

    GOOD LUCK!
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    Mar 12, 2008 2:24 AM GMT
    I think you shouldnt focus on your abs at the moment. You should be doing just cardio, lifting lite weights and lowering your fat intake. I dont understand why personal trainers have their overweight clients doing abs training. Yes, you will develop stronger abs but you will never see them because of your body fat is covering them. Lose the weight first.
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    Mar 12, 2008 4:57 PM GMT
    Thanks everyone. This is great feedback. I will check with my doc and then continue back at the gym at a slower pace. I had one trainer tell me to work work work my abs and another tell me to do 5 minutes of cardio warm up, then do weight training, then back to cardio to finish up. Then I had another tell me the opposite. It becomes very confusing for people who are not savvy with do's and don'ts of solid, healthy exercising. I will definitely take everyone's advice and again I really appreciate it. I will keep you posted as to my progress. Wish me luck!
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    Mar 12, 2008 6:04 PM GMT
    txguy1605 saidim just waiting for chucky to give him a piece of his mind. can anyone hear it coming? :-P


    I browsed this thread for his response. He can be rude as hell but he gives good advice as far as I can tell.

    But if I can channel him for a second, there are at least a dozen threads exactly like this that have been posted in the last month. Reading through these posts will yield both good information and snark.

    You will see people telling you to get a personal trainer, watch your diet, and get a workout routine.

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    Mar 12, 2008 6:13 PM GMT
    Why thank you. LOL.

    Yes... I should put up a page with a standard response for these kinds of folks....poor things.

    First, you're not even pictured, and didn't take time to enter a SINGLE item on your profile, which indicates to me you're a major slacker / lazy person...or...that your fingers are simply to fat to run a keyboard.

    How the fuck is one to respond to your question in a qualified way with the information your presented? At best, any answer is highly speculative.

    First thing...you need to get off your fat behind, and realize that anything worth doing should be worth doing well, including, but, not limited to, a picture and profile on a gay web site. You can't just go around take, take, taking, with a bare-minimum effort, and suspect any level of success. Success is by design.

    I suggest second, you go see a doctor. If shit hurts, who the fuck knows why, especially if we can't see you and touch you, and you've provided no information. Engage brain, first. No one has visual on you, and you don't present any real information of value in your posting. It's mostly just complaining.

    Remember: failing to prepare is simply just preparing to fail, and you've provided us with a working example of just that today.

    Go back. Think, and come to the table with a whole different attitude, providing those who would help you with visuals and information.

    It's an insult that you feel that it's to much trouble to put forth the information requested, and that I have to get after you like a ten year old.
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    Mar 12, 2008 6:19 PM GMT
    Oh Chuckles, as kind and tactful as ever.icon_lol.gif
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    Mar 12, 2008 6:21 PM GMT
    GET A TRAINER!!!! At least meet with one once or twice a week. I'm not just saying this because i am a trainer here in NYC. But for someone who is not an avid gym go-er, you need to seek professional assistance. Someone to tell you exactly what to do, when to do it, how to do it, when to eat, etc. If you want to lose weight, best to start out with some strength and stability training to get your heart rate up. Then after about 30 - 40 min of that, hit the treadmill or bike and keep your heart rate up. You're body will then start to burn fat as an energy source.

    And DO NOT WATCH TV WHEN YOU ARE ON A CARDIO MACHINE. It will only distract you and you will not push yourself. Put your head phones on, play your favorite music and go!!!

    A good trainer will put you through a fitness assessment. Take your blood pressure, test your resting heart rate and calculate your Target heart rate zone.

    First thing you MUST do is see a doctor and get your physical. If you have any questions, let me know.
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    Mar 12, 2008 6:29 PM GMT
    Oh and as for Chuck"s rude response, don't listen. Chuck, did you ever think that maybe he's nervous and scared about asking this question or posting anything on this site? Do you not think that it could be intimidating for someone who is over weight?

    Obviously the man has made the decision to make a big change in his life and start getting healthy. We should pat him on the back and congratulate him and NT CALL HIM LAZY.

    To me you're a gross, arrogant individual who has no tact or respect for other people.

    To cphelm, congrats on dealing with your issues and getting into shape. Dont let someone like Chuck discourage you!!!!!


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    Mar 12, 2008 6:31 PM GMT
    Getting a trainer may not be a financially viable option for some people. Of course, as Chucky so luntly put it, since we have no information to go on, even recommending a trainer might be premature.

    If you are overweight/obese and have never exercised, you MUST see a doctor before trying to imitate other guys at the gym who are pressing small buildings. Your weight problem could be adversely affecting your heart and cardiovascular system; you may have diabetes and the cramps you are getting are from blood sugar imbalances; in all likelihood you are hypertensive and even mildly strenuous exercise can give you a stroke if you aren't taking blood-pressure medicine.

    Go see a doctor, and give us more information if you want more than general advice.
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    Mar 12, 2008 6:36 PM GMT
    Okay, CPHelm...you've been formally introduced to Chucky. This was his pleasant side...I think he's getting soft in his old age.

    The torso twists are one of those exercises that experienced lifters should engage in...they are NOT for the neophyte. Can't tell you how many inexperienced softies I've seen attempting to wrench their backs with this stupid machine.

    After your doctor gives you the okay, have a trainer actually spot you on your other ab exercises. Again, a lot can go wrong.

    If you're basically healthy and injury free, ab exercises are a great thing to do, despite what the poster above said about not being able to see them. When the fat strips away, you will see them. You'll be glad when they appear.

    Take a tiered approach, starting out low.

    And this will take some bravery: post a before pic...when you have the after pic to show off, leave the two up, side by side. You'll get lots of accolades.
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    Mar 12, 2008 6:38 PM GMT
    I reaffirm my position.

    If he went to see a doctor, what he needs to do (both mental and physical), he'd do the paperwork, or, they would not see him, period.

    If he went to see a trainer, he'd do the paperwork, or the trainer wouldn't see him.

    If he goes for a job, he'll need to complete the I9, and a W4, or he won't be working.

    Stop with the bullshit defense of poor baby is scared. So what? We walk into, through, and beyond our challenges. Coddling him, and accepting his complete lack of ambition, only makes him weaker. I, for one, will not act as an enabler to no standards.

    It's absolutely good leadership to set a standard of minimum performance, for a job, for a question, for seeing a trainer, or whatever.

    Being an enabler only makes him worse. Next time, think about what's best, before you go rambling about poor pictureless / profileless being scared.

    If he walked into my office, he'd have a face, and HE WOULD fill out the intake questionnaire, period, or I'd throw him out of my office.
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    Mar 12, 2008 6:49 PM GMT
    Ah, I'm in love.
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    Mar 12, 2008 6:49 PM GMT
    Nobody is questioning your position Chuckles, just your attitude and delivery. Your knowledge on the subject is obviously great, but you don't need to deliver advice in the form of a personal attack every time. I seriously doubt any trainer would talk to a client the way you would. You don't win someone's trust in your knowledge and abilities by calling them names.
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    Mar 12, 2008 7:06 PM GMT
    Am I the only one who cant see chuckystuds profile or pic?
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    Mar 12, 2008 7:10 PM GMT
    It would be unfortunate if he deleted his profile just because people disagree with him. Who knows, maybe he's just taking time off like Aero.
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    Mar 12, 2008 7:11 PM GMT
    RBY71 saidNobody is questioning your position Chuckles, just your attitude and delivery. Your knowledge on the subject is obviously great, but you don't need to deliver advice in the form of a personal attack every time. I seriously doubt any trainer would talk to a client the way you would. You don't win someone's trust in your knowledge and abilities by calling them names.


    some people actually do respond to this type of interaction. others NEED this kind of treatment to get through to. and of course, there are others who DON'T respond well to aggressiveness and are motivated in different ways. So in a way I agree but I don't.
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    Mar 12, 2008 7:21 PM GMT
    RBY71 saidNobody is questioning your position Chuckles, just your attitude and delivery. Your knowledge on the subject is obviously great, but you don't need to deliver advice in the form of a personal attack every time. I seriously doubt any trainer would talk to a client the way you would. You don't win someone's trust in your knowledge and abilities by calling them names.


    txguy1605 saidsome people actually do respond to this type of interaction. others NEED this kind of treatment to get through to. and of course, there are others who DON'T respond well to aggressiveness and are motivated in different ways. So in a way I agree but I don't.


    I'm no shrink, but I'm pretty sure a counselor or psychologist might find that a person who cannot accept the legitimacy of authority unless the authority figure is verbally abusing them to be abnormal, unhealthy and ultimately result in poor socialization.
  • NYCguy74

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    Mar 12, 2008 7:26 PM GMT
    Also all you say you are doing is AB exercises.
    Working the ABs will not cause the belly fat to go away. You can not choose to burn fat in a particular area of your body. All you can do is create a calorie deficit (less in, more out), and you body (genetics) will decide where that fat is burned from.

    You would be much better served to try to build up muscle mass all over. This added muscle will cause your body to burn more energy, causing fat loss.

    the commercials on TV for the AB *insert catchy name here* are pretty much bogus. they show people with ripped abs / bodies and only working on the one ab machine. They don't show the endless hours / years of cardio and strength training, not to mention the dietary discipline that these people have had to look the way they do.
    Don't even mention the diet pills, that pay in-shape people to gain a few pounds of fat on top of their great bodies, and then 8 weeks later when they've lost it again, taking another picture to show how well the pills work.

    So yes, do some ABs, but also work the other areas of your body. By working to "get a 6 pack" you are doing the rest of your body a big disservice. As you get stronger, you will need the core strength that the ABs provide, so don't ignore the either.

    And as everyone else has said
    --if you are really that out of shape, check with a doctor first, and take it easy to start.

    --Get a trainer if you can. even for a short time. A room full of gym equipment and muscle heads can be a bit intimidating at first. A trainer can help you get acquainted with the different machines and equipment, and the basics they will teach you will greatly help you prevent injury.
    if you can't afford a trainer, ask a friend/acquaintance who seems to know what they are doing to give you some pointers. When i first started, i asked a co-worker to come to the gym with me a few times. He got me started with some good foundations. i think i wound up giving him a $25-30 bottle of protein for his time. most people with a love of fitness would be glad to help someone out. (much like fanatical christians try to get you to go to church)

    --watch your diet, weigh and write down everything that goes in you mouth even beverages and track it for a week, see if you're really eating what you think you're eating. also check your percentages of fats/carbs/protein.
    Americans have been taught what a portion size is with the "super-size" mentality.
    there are some appetizers that people wouldn't think twice about eating and then having an entree and 1/2 a dessert, when the appetizer has almost 100% of you calories for the entire day.
    also watch the simple sugars & processed foods.
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    Mar 12, 2008 7:29 PM GMT
    RBY71 said[quote][cite]RBY71 said[/cite]Nobody is questioning your position Chuckles, just your attitude and delivery. Your knowledge on the subject is obviously great, but you don't need to deliver advice in the form of a personal attack every time. I seriously doubt any trainer would talk to a client the way you would. You don't win someone's trust in your knowledge and abilities by calling them names.


    txguy1605 saidsome people actually do respond to this type of interaction. others NEED this kind of treatment to get through to. and of course, there are others who DON'T respond well to aggressiveness and are motivated in different ways. So in a way I agree but I don't.


    I'm no shrink, but I'm pretty sure a counselor or psychologist might find that a person who cannot accept the legitimacy of authority unless the authority figure is verbally abusing them to be abnormal, unhealthy and ultimately result in poor socialization. [/quote]

    this isn't really true... have you ever worked as a manager in a company or as a leader of a team? you will always encounter people who either don't accept the legitimacy of your authority, or who decide to test your authority. some people you can pull aside and inform them that you are aware of that's going on and also warn them of the consequences should the unproductive behavior continue and this is enough to get them back in line.

    on the other hand, there are people who don't respond to this and this is when you resort to other measures like having to embarrass them in front of the group, letting them step on your toes and watch them fall on their face (you would THEN help them out as they have now realized of their vulnerability/lack of knowledge), exclude them from certain activities, etc. It all depends on that person's personality and what motivates them.

    the last and final option is firing them.

    it kinda works the same way here if you think about it.