VIDEO of Pastor Jim Swilley coming out to his church

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    Nov 06, 2010 8:37 PM GMT
    I know there was another thread about this, but I think this video should circulate a bit more, so I'm sharing it in a new thread. Those of you thinking about coming out to friends and family may find it useful and inspiring.

    Watch live streaming video from bishopjimswilley at livestream.com


    For those of you who don't have enough patience to watch the video (it runs about an hour long), here is a quick summary:

    1. Bishop Swilley starts beating around the bush with preliminaries--obviously, what he is trying to do is really fucking hard.

    2. He dispels the false rumors about him circulating in his congregation, and then proceeds to explain what is true without ever saying the words "I'm gay."

    3. He addresses every Biblical passage referenced by Christian homophobes to condemn homosexuality, and offers a response.

    4. He is forthcoming about the kinds of choices that are now available to him, to his ministry, and to the people in his congregation (people with children, for example).

    5. His former wife and the mother of two of his children (she married him out of love even though she knew he was gay) speaks to the congregation. And boy, is she fiery!

    6. Another pastor speaks and refers to Bishop Swilley as "gay" for the first time. He is followed by a lesbian member of the congregation, who gives her testimonial. Another pastor, Bishop Swilley's cousin, delivers short and sweet concluding remarks.

    There is much hanging in the balance for Bishop Swilley right now. To do what he did requires significant courage, as all as intelligence and tact. Kudos to him for doing such a great job.
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    Nov 06, 2010 8:55 PM GMT
    This is exactly what religious communities in America need today to offset the ignorance and cold hearted, homophobic hatred that has infested and polluted too many churches.
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    Nov 06, 2010 9:37 PM GMT
    I'll watch the entire video after while, then send it to my mom and a few other religious/church-going people I know.
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    Nov 06, 2010 10:02 PM GMT
    For those who are ADD, he starts to get to his homosexuality around the 8 minute mark, and then finally admits it at 14:25 to 15:15.

    And this a very enlightening speech. I think everyone should watch this. =)

    Also 26:40-27:20 is AMAZING!
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    Nov 06, 2010 10:39 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidI'll watch the entire video after while, then send it to my mom and a few other religious/church-going people I know.
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    Scratch that. The fucking advertisements are annoying and I couldn't get around them.
    Is there anywhere else I can watch it?
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    Nov 06, 2010 11:08 PM GMT
    paulflexes said
    paulflexes saidI'll watch the entire video after while, then send it to my mom and a few other religious/church-going people I know.
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    Scratch that. The fucking advertisements are annoying and I couldn't get around them.
    Is there anywhere else I can watch it?


    Hahaha... The ads are annoying as hell, but I couldn't find a version without them. The good news is that you can turn them off after the first few seconds, most of them at least. Trust me, it's a small price to pay for this.


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    Nov 06, 2010 11:47 PM GMT
    open_minded10 said
    paulflexes said
    paulflexes saidI'll watch the entire video after while, then send it to my mom and a few other religious/church-going people I know.
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    Scratch that. The fucking advertisements are annoying and I couldn't get around them.
    Is there anywhere else I can watch it?


    Hahaha... The ads are annoying as hell, but I couldn't find a version without them. The good news is that you can turn them off after the first few seconds, most of them at least. Trust me, it's a small price to pay for this.


    I did that, but every time I put it on full screen (so I can kick back and watch it) the ads start again. Then after the ads, the sound mutes and I have to start the video over again. After two times doing that, I gave up.
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    Nov 06, 2010 11:57 PM GMT
    I wonder why she married him if she knew he was gay? I know women who went into marriages thinking the man was straight, and later divorced after finding how their husbands were gay. There's nothing wrong with loving a gay man as a friend, but marrying him and having kids is a whole other story.
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    Nov 07, 2010 12:37 AM GMT
    After watching the entire video/speech.......... for ONCE a pastor has finally told the truth about the REAL world!
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    Nov 07, 2010 1:03 AM GMT
    I'm speechless. What a phenomenally eloquent, intelligent, charismatic man. It took so much courage to do what he did, and so much wisdom and humility to do it with the tact he did. I just watched the whole thing and was riveted. What an inspiration.

    I have to admit I absolutely lost it and wept like a baby at the very end when he called all those with a gay family member to come to the front so the congregation could pray for their family member. Literally hundreds of people are making a beeline for the front of that church. Can you imagine the impact this one man has had on so many people whose families viewed their homosexuality as a disgrace? He may have single handedly changed the way these people view their family members, and may be the reason why they will finally accept them fully into their life. I think he is truly emanating what Christ's love is supposed to be about, and I think it is truly amazing.

    You know, at times like these it really makes me think that as gay men we have an obligation to come forward. I'm in the coming out phase, and so far every person I've told has not only been supportive, but also totally shocked. None of them thought I was gay (although I thought at least one would have suspected it). I think it is SO important for the world to see that there are so many men out there that they love who are gay. I understand how somebody like Anderson Cooper (and no shade on the man) might want to keep his sexual life private, but in these days of discrimination I think we should all make an effort to be up front...other people's lives may truly depend on somebody they care about or respect coming out and being vocal.
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    Nov 07, 2010 1:39 AM GMT
    This man's story needs to be heard, somebody call the HuffingtonPost.
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    Nov 07, 2010 1:50 AM GMT
    TropicalMark saidAfter watching the entire video/speech.......... for ONCE a pastor has finally told the truth about the REAL world!


    If only more of the religious right would listen and open their hearts to what this guy talked about......icon_smile.gif
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    Nov 07, 2010 2:06 AM GMT
    travelfan said... I think we should all make an effort to be up front...other people's lives may truly depend on somebody they care about or respect coming out and being vocal.

    Preach it brother

    to think; not that long ago you had no pic. on here and now your posting statement like this.

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    Nov 07, 2010 2:28 AM GMT
    . . . why do you praise such a dishonest, cowardly man? . . .

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    Nov 07, 2010 3:42 AM GMT
    noren said. . . why do you praise such a dishonest, cowardly man? . . .



    For not being open and honest all his life?


    Anyway, how would you rate this guy?


    Here are some of the comments:
    COMMENT: a) i don't think we can cherry pick leviticus - otherwise we all can't eat shellfish and we can't wear two different kinds of cloth.
    b) jesus was so worried about homosexuality that he said´╗┐ NOTHING about it.
    c) god tells us to love one another. period.
    d) i think those of you who link homosexuality w/pedophilia are just, and i'm sorry to say it, dead wrong in your reading of the clinical research in this field.
    e) hate is not a family value where i come from.

    thanks for listening.

    REPLY: Do you love rapist and accept the fact they enjoy doing what they do?
    Do you love KILLERS and enjoy when they kill people. After all they´╗┐ had to be born that way, right?
    How about arsonist? Do love when they burn down homes with children inside?
    One thing I can't stand about christians & reprobates is you're all emotionally controlled robot. You have no understanding on what bible LOVE is.
    To LOVE people the bible way is to teach them to obey scriptures and be HOLY.
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    Nov 07, 2010 3:55 AM GMT
    no, not his entire life, simpleton . . .

    you are praising a half-witted, self-absorbed liar . . . in his major decisions in his life, he demonstrated that he is a big time liar and fraud . . .

    he knew his marriage (any conventional marriage he entered into) would be a lie . . he knew he was not a Christian in any but the most nebulous, Unitarian, meaningless meninlove sense . . .

    the man is a liar and a coward who didn't have the nuts to live an honest life . . .
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    Nov 07, 2010 4:23 AM GMT
    This man is an inspiration! Finally someone in the religious community putting his money where his mouth is. This makes my year!
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    Nov 07, 2010 4:52 AM GMT
    . . . This man is NOT an inspiration . . . this is like canonizing the town whore for finally keeping her knees together . . .

    . . . your standards are abysmally low . . .
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    Nov 07, 2010 9:57 AM GMT
    noren said . . . This man is NOT an inspiration . . . this is like canonizing the town whore for finally keeping her knees together . . .

    . . . your standards are abysmally low . . .


    He may not be an inspiration to you, but to hundreds of people who are about 20 years behind he's doing a damn good job at preaching to be accepting of da gayz.
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    Nov 07, 2010 10:43 AM GMT
    I watched to the end and am happy that I did. Quite a story, and quite a life. I hope his church does survive this; but I would imagine that they may loose more people than it gains. I do appreciate when he tells members they are free to choose a fire and brimstone church but not to come crying to him when their child kills themselves. Here is somebody offering some hope; offering an alternative to the standard religion.
    noren said
    you are praising a half-witted, self-absorbed liar . . . in his major decisions in his life, he demonstrated that he is a big time liar and fraud . .. . he knew he was not a Christian in any but the most nebulous, Unitarian, meaningless meninlove sense . . .

    the man is a liar and a coward who didn't have the nuts to live an honest life . . .

    Wow, aren't your standards high! I suppose that anybody who did not shout from the rooftops that they were gay by the age of 10 is to be judged in an equally harsh manner by you? He defies people to find any place in his 25 years of ministry where he condemns homosexuals. In other words, it would appear that while he was not out (to meet your standards) at least he was not like the other 80% of closeted politicians, pastors or others in the public spot light and condemning others. When you watch the video you find openly gay members of his church speaking and praising him. It looks like his church may have always been a welcoming place even if he had not declared himself to be gay.

    Here is a man who (like many) had hoped that he could manage to be something aside from gay and tried every approach he could. If he is to be believed, he lived a life of faithfulness to his wife for those years. No men or boys on the side- no affairs. It sounds like he lived faithful to his vows (even if that was against who he was.) Finally he decides to come clean and admit who and what he is and you are going to judge him and say that he is not a Christian. Based on what? The fact he is gay?
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    Nov 07, 2010 1:23 PM GMT
    Wow...what a horrible hosting site. I watched 3 ads and only viewed about 30 seconds of the video--whenever an ad ended and returned me to the vid there was no sound. Am I the only individual having issues with this website (on a brand new computer no less)?

  • Nov 07, 2010 2:00 PM GMT
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    paulflexes saidI'll watch the entire video after while, then send it to my mom and a few other religious/church-going people I know.
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    Scratch that. The fucking advertisements are annoying and I couldn't get around them.
    Is there anywhere else I can watch it?


    Just hit the close button and you don't have to watch the commercials.
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    Nov 07, 2010 2:33 PM GMT
    I found this sermon to be very powerful. For a man in a mega church in the south to come out to his congregation at the risk of loosing every thing absolutely stunned me. I was moved by his transparency. We need more folk like this around. Like many others I have been sharing this video with friends. It needs to be spread and heard.
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    Nov 07, 2010 2:41 PM GMT
    noren said . . . This man is NOT an inspiration . . . this is like canonizing the town whore for finally keeping her knees together . . .

    . . . your standards are abysmally low . . .


    And your lack of capacity to understand the value of change, personal evolution and forgiveness is staggering and heartbreaking.

    There is, of course, a great deal at stake for him, and he is clearly managing a crisis informed by income, status, etc., but doing so with dignity and some measure of candor. His past failure and his history of living a lie does not negate the action he is taking now. Similarly, his current choice in no way canonizes him, but it does provide some measure of redemption (and I'm not speaking evangelically, but generally and secularly).

    If you believe, Noren, that no man has the capacity for redemption, then surely you must be a most unforgiving man in all matters with your friends, lovers, colleagues, family, neighbors and peers. Perhaps not. Perhaps only with strangers. Hopefully not with yourself, as that would be chilling.

    I find that hard to believe, but being taken by your physical attractiveness I may be entirely blind to the possibility that your humanity could be so lacking. I'd like to think otherswise, but handsome men have been known to be endlessly cruel and shallow and bitter and incapable of compassion or forgiveness long before your mug graced an on-line profile.

    So, if you deem my standards low for finding some reason to admire this man's attempt at redemption - contextualized thought it may be within a somewhat obviously charismatic commercial package - then so be it. I am happy to have standards that allow for humanity to seep through even in such small drops.

    May you find a man who mirrors the perfection you model, poised perfectly on the verge of ideal without pushing over that hair-line into self-righteousness, clearly he's nowhere on this thread.


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    Nov 07, 2010 3:07 PM GMT
    Meanwhile, yesterday Gene Robinson, the out gay man who was elected the Episcopal bishop of New Hampshire in 2003, announced at Diocesan Convention yesterday that he plans to retire in 2013, giving the Diocese enough time to elect and consecrate someone to replace him.

    Bishop Robinson has been receiving death threats throughout his episcopate and cited the strain the constant hostility has placed on himself and his relationship. Five years ago he voluntarily underwent rehab because he found himself drinking to deal with it, and has been sober since then.

    Our church worldwide continues to argue about his election, and doubtless still will after he retires, but (in what feels like good news) last year we elected a lesbian woman in California and her consecration made much less of a stink. IDK if lesbians are just less scary somehow.