How Obama Saved Capitalism and Lost the Midterms

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    Nov 07, 2010 2:03 PM GMT
    Very interesting article. All of you who think Obama is a "socialist", may want to have a lookey-loo.

    How Obama Saved Capitalism and Lost the Midterms

    By TIMOTHY EGAN

    If I were one of the big corporate donors who bankrolled the Republican tide that carried into office more than 50 new Republicans in the House, I would be wary of what you just bought.

    For no matter your view of President Obama, he effectively saved capitalism. And for that, he paid a terrible political price.

    Suppose you had $100,000 to invest on the day Barack Obama was inaugurated. Why bet on a liberal Democrat? Here’s why: the presidency of George W. Bush produced the worst stock market decline of any president in history. The net worth of American households collapsed as Bush slipped away. And if you needed a loan to buy a house or stay in business, private sector borrowing was dead when he handed over power.

    As of election day, Nov. 2, 2010, your $100,000 was worth about $177,000 if invested strictly in the NASDAQ average for the entirety of the Obama administration, and $148,000 if bet on the Standard & Poors 500 major companies. This works out to returns of 77 percent and 48 percent.

    But markets, though forward-looking, are not considered accurate measurements of the economy, and the Great Recession skewed the Bush numbers. O.K. How about looking at the big financial institutions that keep the motors of capitalism running — banks and auto companies?

    The banking system was resuscitated by $700 billion in bailouts started by Bush (a fact unknown by a majority of Americans), and finished by Obama, with help from the Federal Reserve. It worked. The government is expected to break even on a risky bet to stabilize the global free market system. Had Obama followed the populist instincts of many in his party, the underpinnings of big capitalism could have collapsed. He did this without nationalizing banks, as other Democrats had urged.

    Saving the American auto industry, which has been a huge drag on Obama’s political capital, is a monumental achievement that few appreciate, unless you live in Michigan. After getting their taxpayer lifeline from Obama, both General Motors and Chrysler are now making money by making cars. New plants are even scheduled to open. More than 1 million jobs would have disappeared had the domestic auto sector been liquidated.

    “An apology is due Barack Obama,” wrote The Economist, which had opposed the $86 billion auto bailout. As for Government Motors: after emerging from bankruptcy, it will go public with a new stock offering in just a few weeks, and the United States government, with its 60 percent share of common stock, stands to make a profit. Yes, an industry was saved, and the government will probably make money on the deal — one of Obama’s signature economic successes.

    Interest rates are at record lows. Corporate profits are lighting up boardrooms; it is one of the best years for earnings in a decade.

    All of the above is good for capitalism, and should end any serious-minded discussion about Obama the socialist. But more than anything, the fact that the president took on the structural flaws of a broken free enterprise system instead of focusing on things that the average voter could understand explains why his party was routed on Tuesday. Obama got on the wrong side of voter anxiety in a decade of diminished fortunes.

    “We have done things that people don’t even know about,” Obama told Jon Stewart. Certainly. The three signature accomplishments of his first two years — a health care law that will make life easier for millions of people, financial reform that attempts to level the playing field with Wall Street, and the $814 billion stimulus package — have all been recast as big government blunders, rejected by the emerging majority.

    But each of them, in its way, should strengthen the system. The health law will hold costs down, while giving millions the chance at getting care, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office. Financial reform seeks to prevent the kind of meltdown that caused the global economic collapse. And the stimulus, though it drastically raised the deficit, saved about 3 million jobs, again according to the CBO. It also gave a majority of taxpayers a one-time cut — even if 90 percent of Americans don’t know that, either.

    Of course, nobody gets credit for preventing a plane crash. “It could have been much worse!” is not a rallying cry. And, more telling, despite a meager uptick in job growth this year, the unemployment rate rose from 7.6 percent in the month Obama took office to 9.6 today.

    Billions of profits, windfalls in the stock market, a stable banking system — but no jobs.

    Of course, the big money interests who benefited from Obama’s initiatives have shown no appreciation. Obama, as a senator, voted against the initial bailout of AIG, the reckless insurance giant. As president, he extended them treasury loans at a time when economists said he must — or risk further meltdown. Their response was to give themselves $165 million in executive bonuses, and funnel money to Republicans this year.

    Money flows one way, to power, now held by the party that promises tax cuts and deregulation — which should please big business even more.

    President Franklin Roosevelt also saved capitalism, in part by a bank “holiday” in 1933, at a time when the free enterprise system had failed. Unlike Obama, he was rewarded with midterm gains for his own party because a majority liked where he was taking the country. The bank holiday was incidental to a larger public works campaign.

    Obama can recast himself as the consumer’s best friend, and welcome the animus of Wall Street. He should hector the companies sitting on piles of cash but not hiring new workers. For those who do hire, and create new jobs, he can offer tax incentives. He should finger the financial giants for refusing to clean up their own mess in the foreclosure crisis. He should point to the long overdue protections for credit card holders that came with reform.

    And he should veto, veto, veto any bill that attempts to roll back some of the basic protections for people against the institutions that have so much control over their lives – insurance companies, Wall Street and big oil.

    They will whine a fierce storm, the manipulators of great wealth. A war on business, they will claim. Not even close. Obama saved them, and the biggest cost was to him.
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    Nov 07, 2010 2:29 PM GMT
    But the problem is with these people that it's never about the facts

    .......... hence the FOX echo chamber
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    Nov 07, 2010 2:59 PM GMT
    GQjock saidBut the problem is with these people that it's never about the facts

    .......... hence the FOX echo chamber


    You should hate obama then if he saved capitalism! ;)
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    Nov 07, 2010 3:23 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    GQjock saidBut the problem is with these people that it's never about the facts

    .......... hence the FOX echo chamber


    You should hate obama then if he saved capitalism! ;)


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    meninlove said
    mocktwinkie said
    GQjock saidBut the problem is with these people that it's never about the facts

    .......... hence the FOX echo chamber

    You should hate obama then if he saved capitalism! ;)

    What?!? icon_rolleyes.gif

    Disregard, he never makes sense. He's a spokescreature for the US Right. Makes no other useful contributions here, has no other meaningful involvement in a gay health site, except to spew right-wing propaganda, for which he was undoubtedly recruited.

    I liked the article's mention of FDR, who was also vilified by Republicans as a Socialist, while he likewise rescued the Capitalist system which their own unregulated greed had wrecked. In those days before FOX News and talk radio right-wing propaganda blaring 24/7, the voters saw the results & benefits of restructuring a financial system that had jumped the tracks.

    And of creating social programs that kept people from starving and able to work again, and remain consumers to stimulate the economy. Programs like Social Security that modern Republicans still want eliminated, or privatized and placed under the supervision of Wall Street, for more profit to their wealthy campaign contributors and less money to the needy recipients.
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    Art_Deco said
    meninlove said
    mocktwinkie said
    GQjock saidBut the problem is with these people that it's never about the facts

    .......... hence the FOX echo chamber

    You should hate obama then if he saved capitalism! ;)

    What?!? icon_rolleyes.gif

    Disregard, he never makes sense. He's a spokescreature for the US Right. Makes no other useful contributions here, has no other meaningful involvement in a gay health site, except to spew right-wing propaganda, for which he was undoubtedly recruited.

    I liked the article's mention of FDR, who was also vilified by Republicans as a Socialist, while he likewise rescued the Capitalist system which their own unregulated greed had wrecked. In those days before FOX News and talk radio right-wing propaganda blaring 24/7, the voters saw the results & benefits of restructuring a financial system that had jumped the tracks.

    And of creating social programs that kept people from starving and able to work again, and remain consumers to stimulate the economy. Programs like Social Security that modern Republicans still want eliminated, or privatized and placed under the supervision of Wall Street, for more profit to their wealthy campaign contributors and less money to the needy recipients.


    It'd be curious to see how many here besides you actually believe that I was somehow "recruited" as an implant to "spew right-wing propaganda". That's a pretty strong accusation, not to mention farcical. ...Not that I remotely need your approval to be here, but I stumbled across this website by accident before I joined and started reading the discussions.
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    Nov 07, 2010 4:48 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidNot that I remotely need your approval to be here, but I stumbled across this website by accident before I joined and started reading the discussions.

    Go to your profile, and scroll down to RECENT FORUM POSTS. Then click on VIEW ALL OF HIS FORUM POSTS. OPPPSS! Yeah, you stumbled here, OK -- for a purpose, and it sure ain't gay health & fitness. icon_razz.gif
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    Nov 07, 2010 4:49 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    Art_Deco said
    meninlove said
    mocktwinkie said
    GQjock saidBut the problem is with these people that it's never about the facts

    .......... hence the FOX echo chamber

    You should hate obama then if he saved capitalism! ;)

    What?!? icon_rolleyes.gif

    Disregard, he never makes sense. He's a spokescreature for the US Right. Makes no other useful contributions here, has no other meaningful involvement in a gay health site, except to spew right-wing propaganda, for which he was undoubtedly recruited.

    I liked the article's mention of FDR, who was also vilified by Republicans as a Socialist, while he likewise rescued the Capitalist system which their own unregulated greed had wrecked. In those days before FOX News and talk radio right-wing propaganda blaring 24/7, the voters saw the results & benefits of restructuring a financial system that had jumped the tracks.

    And of creating social programs that kept people from starving and able to work again, and remain consumers to stimulate the economy. Programs like Social Security that modern Republicans still want eliminated, or privatized and placed under the supervision of Wall Street, for more profit to their wealthy campaign contributors and less money to the needy recipients.


    It'd be curious to see how many here besides you actually believe that I was somehow "recruited" as an implant to "spew right-wing propaganda". That's a pretty strong accusation. Not that I remotely need your approval to be here, but I stumbled across this website by accident before I joined and started reading the discussions.



    I dont understand how you can be gay and actually be a Republican. Republicans are against us and care nothing about our rights. In fact the only group that Republicans care about are white heterosexual christian males. Thats what makes them so racist.
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    Nov 07, 2010 5:16 PM GMT
    Reed33 said
    mocktwinkie said
    Art_Deco said
    meninlove said
    mocktwinkie said
    GQjock saidBut the problem is with these people that it's never about the facts

    .......... hence the FOX echo chamber

    You should hate obama then if he saved capitalism! ;)

    What?!? icon_rolleyes.gif

    Disregard, he never makes sense. He's a spokescreature for the US Right. Makes no other useful contributions here, has no other meaningful involvement in a gay health site, except to spew right-wing propaganda, for which he was undoubtedly recruited.

    I liked the article's mention of FDR, who was also vilified by Republicans as a Socialist, while he likewise rescued the Capitalist system which their own unregulated greed had wrecked. In those days before FOX News and talk radio right-wing propaganda blaring 24/7, the voters saw the results & benefits of restructuring a financial system that had jumped the tracks.

    And of creating social programs that kept people from starving and able to work again, and remain consumers to stimulate the economy. Programs like Social Security that modern Republicans still want eliminated, or privatized and placed under the supervision of Wall Street, for more profit to their wealthy campaign contributors and less money to the needy recipients.


    It'd be curious to see how many here besides you actually believe that I was somehow "recruited" as an implant to "spew right-wing propaganda". That's a pretty strong accusation. Not that I remotely need your approval to be here, but I stumbled across this website by accident before I joined and started reading the discussions.



    I dont understand how you can be gay and actually be a Republican. Republicans are against us and care nothing about our rights. In fact the only group that Republicans care about are white heterosexual christian males. Thats what makes them so racist.


    You think in these terms because you probably have a mainstream gay regurgitated view of politics that does not reflect the real world. Just the fact that you refer to "republicans" as only caring about "white heterosexual christian males" is so absurd I thought you were joking at first. I am actually not a registered republican, I identify as a fiscal conservative/libertarian. I just vote Republican because they happen to be the lesser of the two evils on economic matters and on most issues that are of significance. Democrats may appear to be more interested in gay rights but they actually do close to nothing about them and anything to do with marriage has been advanced by the courts and progress of thinking among the general populace, not by any political party. They only remember you on election day, not when they are in office. There are bigger issues at play than "which one smiles at me more and notices I'm in the room?".

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    mocktwinkie saidNot that I remotely need your approval to be here, but I stumbled across this website by accident before I joined and started reading the discussions.

    Go to your profile, and scroll down to RECENT FORUM POSTS. Then click on VIEW ALL OF HIS FORUM POSTS. OPPPSS! Yeah, you stumbled here, OK -- for a purpose, and it sure ain't gay health & fitness. icon_razz.gif


    I'm sure by the same token one could conjure up the same accusations about you, but to do so would not only be pathetic, it would be dishonest.
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    Art_Deco said
    mocktwinkie saidNot that I remotely need your approval to be here, but I stumbled across this website by accident before I joined and started reading the discussions.

    Go to your profile, and scroll down to RECENT FORUM POSTS. Then click on VIEW ALL OF HIS FORUM POSTS. OPPPSS! Yeah, you stumbled here, OK -- for a purpose, and it sure ain't gay health & fitness. icon_razz.gif

    I'm sure by the same token one could conjure up the same accusations about you, but to do so would not only be pathetic, it would be dishonest.

    In what way? I have commented here extensively on gay sex issues, on cars, motorcycles, bicycles, computers, food, old movies, history, travel, fitness, my own personal (mis)adventures, literally dozens of non-political topics. Rather, name the topics on which I HAVEN'T commented, which are far fewer.

    But yes, by all means please check out my thread participation topics, as I suggested for you above. Sorry, that's a big FAIL. Try again.
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    Nov 07, 2010 5:28 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    mocktwinkie said
    Art_Deco said
    mocktwinkie saidNot that I remotely need your approval to be here, but I stumbled across this website by accident before I joined and started reading the discussions.

    Go to your profile, and scroll down to RECENT FORUM POSTS. Then click on VIEW ALL OF HIS FORUM POSTS. OPPPSS! Yeah, you stumbled here, OK -- for a purpose, and it sure ain't gay health & fitness. icon_razz.gif

    I'm sure by the same token one could conjure up the same accusations about you, but to do so would not only be pathetic, it would be dishonest.

    In what way? I have commented here extensively on gay sex issues, on cars, motorcycles, bicycles, computers, food, old movies, history, travel, fitness, my own personal (mis)adventures, literally dozens of non-political topics. Rather, name the topics on which I HAVEN'T commented, which are far fewer.

    Sorry, that's a non-starter. Try again.


    Anyone who views my history will see that I post in a variety of topics, from ones related to nutrition, to cars, halloween, and a host of others.

    I don't think I need to point out that you are seriously psychotic if you wish to stand by your earlier comments about me.
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    Nov 07, 2010 5:31 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    Art_Deco said
    mocktwinkie said
    Art_Deco said
    mocktwinkie saidNot that I remotely need your approval to be here, but I stumbled across this website by accident before I joined and started reading the discussions.

    Go to your profile, and scroll down to RECENT FORUM POSTS. Then click on VIEW ALL OF HIS FORUM POSTS. OPPPSS! Yeah, you stumbled here, OK -- for a purpose, and it sure ain't gay health & fitness. icon_razz.gif

    I'm sure by the same token one could conjure up the same accusations about you, but to do so would not only be pathetic, it would be dishonest.

    In what way? I have commented here extensively on gay sex issues, on cars, motorcycles, bicycles, computers, food, old movies, history, travel, fitness, my own personal (mis)adventures, literally dozens of non-political topics. Rather, name the topics on which I HAVEN'T commented, which are far fewer.

    Sorry, that's a non-starter. Try again.


    Anyone who views my history will see that I post in a variety of topics, from ones related to nutrition, to cars, halloween, and a host of others.

    I don't think I need to point out that you are seriously psychotic if you wish to stand by your earlier comments about me.

    Lol Art Deco also said I was recruited, given a handbook and am on a secret mission to disrupt gay community. Also used term agent provocateur. Couple of weeks ago he spewed same bs and was totally repudiated. One of the nicest guys told him he needed therapy. AD disappeared from the thread cause he could not take the heat. Just a nut case best ignored.
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    mocktwinkie saidAnyone who views my history will see that I post in a variety of topics, from ones related to nutrition, to cars, halloween, and a host of others.

    I don't think I need to point out that you are seriously psychotic if you wish to stand by your earlier comments about me.

    Here's an unedited paste of your most recent posts & replies here. Now do the same with my posts. Game, set, match.

    How Obama Saved Capitalism and Lost the Midterms on Nov 07, 2010 at 12:28 PM
    Where do you rate on the political spectrum? on Nov 07, 2010 at 12:21 PM
    "The Republican Recipe for an Anemic Economy thru Election 2012" on Nov 07, 2010 at 11:40 AM
    California, the last bastion of freedom on Nov 06, 2010 at 1:49 PM
    31% of self-identified gay voters supported Republican candidates on Nov 05, 2010 at 4:33 PM
    Jan Brewer gives acceptance speech for AZ Governor on Nov 05, 2010 at 4:20 PM
    The Day After...What Do We Do Now?? on Nov 04, 2010 at 6:37 PM
    Dear Rick Scott on Nov 04, 2010 at 6:29 PM
    This 'Tea Party' phenomenon is fascinating and holds GREAT potential! on Nov 04, 2010 at 6:09 PM
    ELECTION RESULTS on Nov 03, 2010 at 6:33 PM
    Gay rights take a hit. Three judges who voted to make gay marriage legal in Iowa VOTED OUT OF OFFICE by Republican activists and voters. on Nov 03, 2010 at 5:54 PM
    Teabaggers on Nov 03, 2010 at 5:46 PM
    Gaza crowd of up to 100,000 chants "Death to America" at anti-peace rally on Nov 03, 2010 at 2:01 PM
    Good News: Three Rich Bitches Lose in Elections on Nov 03, 2010 at 12:09 PM
    Sad news from Iowa on Nov 03, 2010 at 12:06 PM
    Newly Elected & Reelected GLBT Politicians & Loses from supporters, Nov 2010 on Nov 03, 2010 at 11:36 AM
    Tea Party Policies Make Sense on Nov 02, 2010 at 4:28 PM
    Crazy Lady Could Potentially Make Decisions For You on Nov 02, 2010 at 4:16 PM
    DADT Extended INDEFINITELY by Federal Appeals Court on Nov 02, 2010 at 3:29 PM
    Senator Boxer worked so hard on Nov 02, 2010 at 2:11 PM
    Cellphone Effect' Could Skew Polling Predictions on Nov 02, 2010 at 2:02 PM
    Why I Vote Democrat on Nov 02, 2010 at 1:54 PM
    Is the "Tea Party" anti-gay? on Nov 02, 2010 at 12:03 PM
    Is Obama a Keynesian? on Nov 02, 2010 at 10:55 AM
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    socalfitness said
    mocktwinkie said
    Art_Deco said
    mocktwinkie said
    Art_Deco said
    mocktwinkie saidNot that I remotely need your approval to be here, but I stumbled across this website by accident before I joined and started reading the discussions.

    Go to your profile, and scroll down to RECENT FORUM POSTS. Then click on VIEW ALL OF HIS FORUM POSTS. OPPPSS! Yeah, you stumbled here, OK -- for a purpose, and it sure ain't gay health & fitness. icon_razz.gif

    I'm sure by the same token one could conjure up the same accusations about you, but to do so would not only be pathetic, it would be dishonest.

    In what way? I have commented here extensively on gay sex issues, on cars, motorcycles, bicycles, computers, food, old movies, history, travel, fitness, my own personal (mis)adventures, literally dozens of non-political topics. Rather, name the topics on which I HAVEN'T commented, which are far fewer.

    Sorry, that's a non-starter. Try again.


    Anyone who views my history will see that I post in a variety of topics, from ones related to nutrition, to cars, halloween, and a host of others.

    I don't think I need to point out that you are seriously psychotic if you wish to stand by your earlier comments about me.

    Lol Art Deco also said I was recruited, given a handbook and am on a secret mission to disrupt gay community. Also used term agent provocateur. Couple of weeks ago he spewed same bs and was totally repudiated. One of the nicest guys told him he needed therapy. AD disappeared from the thread cause he could not take the heat. Just a nut case best ignored.


    I don't even know how he can conceive of such a thing. I love the gay community and I'm always standing up for gay rights. I have a wonderful partner and a wonderful group of gay friends. I routinely make my pro-gay rights positions known throughout this forum. Sad to think people in my own community can be this libelous.
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    mocktwinkie saidAnyone who views my history will see that I post in a variety of topics, from ones related to nutrition, to cars, halloween, and a host of others.

    I don't think I need to point out that you are seriously psychotic if you wish to stand by your earlier comments about me.

    Here's an unedited paste of your most recent posts & replies here. Now do the same with my posts. Game, set, match.

    How Obama Saved Capitalism and Lost the Midterms on Nov 07, 2010 at 12:28 PM
    Where do you rate on the political spectrum? on Nov 07, 2010 at 12:21 PM
    "The Republican Recipe for an Anemic Economy thru Election 2012" on Nov 07, 2010 at 11:40 AM
    California, the last bastion of freedom on Nov 06, 2010 at 1:49 PM
    31% of self-identified gay voters supported Republican candidates on Nov 05, 2010 at 4:33 PM
    Jan Brewer gives acceptance speech for AZ Governor on Nov 05, 2010 at 4:20 PM
    The Day After...What Do We Do Now?? on Nov 04, 2010 at 6:37 PM
    Dear Rick Scott on Nov 04, 2010 at 6:29 PM
    This 'Tea Party' phenomenon is fascinating and holds GREAT potential! on Nov 04, 2010 at 6:09 PM
    ELECTION RESULTS on Nov 03, 2010 at 6:33 PM
    Gay rights take a hit. Three judges who voted to make gay marriage legal in Iowa VOTED OUT OF OFFICE by Republican activists and voters. on Nov 03, 2010 at 5:54 PM
    Teabaggers on Nov 03, 2010 at 5:46 PM
    Gaza crowd of up to 100,000 chants "Death to America" at anti-peace rally on Nov 03, 2010 at 2:01 PM
    Good News: Three Rich Bitches Lose in Elections on Nov 03, 2010 at 12:09 PM
    Sad news from Iowa on Nov 03, 2010 at 12:06 PM
    Newly Elected & Reelected GLBT Politicians & Loses from supporters, Nov 2010 on Nov 03, 2010 at 11:36 AM
    Tea Party Policies Make Sense on Nov 02, 2010 at 4:28 PM
    Crazy Lady Could Potentially Make Decisions For You on Nov 02, 2010 at 4:16 PM
    DADT Extended INDEFINITELY by Federal Appeals Court on Nov 02, 2010 at 3:29 PM
    Senator Boxer worked so hard on Nov 02, 2010 at 2:11 PM
    Cellphone Effect' Could Skew Polling Predictions on Nov 02, 2010 at 2:02 PM
    Why I Vote Democrat on Nov 02, 2010 at 1:54 PM
    Is the "Tea Party" anti-gay? on Nov 02, 2010 at 12:03 PM
    Is Obama a Keynesian? on Nov 02, 2010 at 10:55 AM


    You also purposely omitted other threads I've posted in. And of course I've been talking heavily about politics. Do I need to remind you that this was election week?
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    socalfitness said
    mocktwinkie said
    Art_Deco said
    mocktwinkie said
    Art_Deco said
    mocktwinkie saidNot that I remotely need your approval to be here, but I stumbled across this website by accident before I joined and started reading the discussions.

    Go to your profile, and scroll down to RECENT FORUM POSTS. Then click on VIEW ALL OF HIS FORUM POSTS. OPPPSS! Yeah, you stumbled here, OK -- for a purpose, and it sure ain't gay health & fitness. icon_razz.gif

    I'm sure by the same token one could conjure up the same accusations about you, but to do so would not only be pathetic, it would be dishonest.

    In what way? I have commented here extensively on gay sex issues, on cars, motorcycles, bicycles, computers, food, old movies, history, travel, fitness, my own personal (mis)adventures, literally dozens of non-political topics. Rather, name the topics on which I HAVEN'T commented, which are far fewer.

    Sorry, that's a non-starter. Try again.


    Anyone who views my history will see that I post in a variety of topics, from ones related to nutrition, to cars, halloween, and a host of others.

    I don't think I need to point out that you are seriously psychotic if you wish to stand by your earlier comments about me.

    Lol Art Deco also said I was recruited, given a handbook and am on a secret mission to disrupt gay community. Also used term agent provocateur. Couple of weeks ago he spewed same bs and was totally repudiated. One of the nicest guys told him he needed therapy. AD disappeared from the thread cause he could not take the heat. Just a nut case best ignored.



    Thats right just ignore them. They are all the same. We all got recruited by a right wing organization to come on here and convert the liberal posters. I will say one thing, when I came to this board I was a Conservative and after reading all these links, posts and looking at the behavior of the posters I'm even more Conservative.
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    CHRIS6464, "I will say one thing, when I came to this board I was a Conservative and after reading all these links, posts and looking at the behavior of the posters I'm even more Conservative. "

    Are you really that easily swayed? On second thought, skip that, you're not real - blank profile and no pics of any kind.



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    socalfitness saidLol Art Deco also said I was recruited, given a handbook and am on a secret mission to disrupt gay community. Also used term agent provocateur. Couple of weeks ago he spewed same bs and was totally repudiated. One of the nicest guys told him he needed therapy. AD disappeared from the thread cause he could not take the heat. Just a nut case best ignored.

    Given a handbook? Is that like the secret gay agenda? And what nicest guy said I needed therapy? I was away for a few days because my partner was hospitalized with a heart attack, as mentioned here. Some RJ guys talked to him in his hospital bed. And then a week later I myself went into the hospital, the stress of his emergency apparently having gotten to me.

    How classy of you to make fun of these things, and misrepresent my absences. About what one could expect of you. Personal slanders when that's the best you can manage.
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    Nov 07, 2010 5:51 PM GMT
    Art_Deco, they're understandably mad because singling out Mock's history of posts is a no-go in deciding the reasons someone is here on RJ.

    Interestingly, SouthBeach just did this to Chainers, who is conservative and not a peep out of Socal or Mock or CHRIS. Why is that, you guys? Well, @ Mock and Socal anyway, skip CHRIS6464.

    -Doug

    I suggest you two go and take a look at page 3 of this topic.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1216091/?forumpage=2







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    CHRIS6464, "I will say one thing, when I came to this board I was a Conservative and after reading all these links, posts and looking at the behavior of the posters I'm even more Conservative. "

    Are you really that easily swayed? On second thought, skip that, you're not real - blank profile and no pics of any kind.





    Wow that personal attack from another liberal poster just pushed me a little farther to the right. You liberals sure know how to make a Conservative even more conservative. Keep posting. If I'm not real how am I typing right now? I guess to really be taken seriously on this board you have to post a photo of yourself in your underwear.
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    Nov 07, 2010 5:57 PM GMT
    Excuse me CHRIS6464, but you have an empty profile and no pics of any kind.

    Now tell me again why I should consider your credibility as being a real individual and not a sock-puppet of an existing profile.

    -Doug

    Sorry, but way too much of this kind of crap is going on. If you want to be considered real, be real.
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    Be careful here, you were banned the last time daguerreo.
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    meninlove said Excuse me CHRIS6464, but you have an empty profile and no pics of any kind.

    Now tell me again why I should consider your credibility as being a real individual and not a sock-puppet of an existing profile.

    -Doug

    Sorry, but way too much of this kind of crap is going on. If you want to be considered real, be real.


    First of all, Im not here to date, so why do I need photos or a profile? And I could care less what you think of me. You can think whatever you want. Now Im going to hit the ignore button, because I have already wasted enough time on you.
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    meninlove said Excuse me CHRIS6464, but you have an empty profile and no pics of any kind.

    Now tell me again why I should consider your credibility as being a real individual and not a sock-puppet of an existing profile.

    -Doug

    Sorry, but way too much of this kind of crap is going on. If you want to be considered real, be real.


    First of all, Im not here to date, so why do I need photos or a profile? And I could care less what you think of me. You can think whatever you want. Now Im going to hit the ignore button, because I have already wasted enough time on you.


    Well, it's not that you don't have pics. It's that you don't have pics, or a description AND you post the same talking points as four or five other profiles that look just like yours. So, some of us think that you're creating multiple profiles to suggest there are more gay conservatives on here than there really is. That said, I don't think you're some straight guy from a right-wing organization trying to disrupt, just a misguided gay guy.