The Power Of The Spoken Word

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    Nov 08, 2010 4:53 AM GMT
    As I noticed from the Christina thread a lot of you can't seem to understand transgender people. Maybe this video will help.

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    Nov 08, 2010 5:34 AM GMT
    "Hir?" That's not a word, according to the dictionary. Sorry, but your PCBS isn't in my proper English lexicon.
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    Nov 08, 2010 6:14 AM GMT
    Fearthefall said"Hir?" That's not a word, according to the dictionary. Sorry, but your PCBS isn't in my proper English lexicon.


    Proper English lexicon? Jesus christ step off your pedestal you jerk and realize that not everything written is the truth and absolute truth forever. Hir is a popular term used throughout the transgendered society that helps them explain that they are sexually ambiguous at the moment while they transition.

    The fact that you think its PCBS and that it's not in proper English lexicon is the same as a straight person persecuting gay guys for any terms they've created to help cope with societal pressures.

    ....I really liked that video.
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    Nov 08, 2010 10:15 AM GMT
    So many languages solve this problem by having gender-neutral pronouns! Yeah Tagalog, Mandarin and Finnish! icon_cool.gif

    I think ze should refer to hirself however ze chooses!
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    Nov 08, 2010 12:14 PM GMT
    I understand it's a mental health issue. I know gender is more about whats between your ears too. I was born with a penis and testicles. I have been seen my whole life as a male, lived my whole life as a male, and been treated my whole life as a male. I don't see how that can compare to a female in her 20's or 30s, having her breasts removed, receiving monthly injections for the rest of her life, because as soon as she stops to have them she will very quickly find out how much of a woman she still really is still really all women. medical science has just been able to change the facade

    Also just as I was born a male, and not created one. i was also born a homosexual, and not created one either, so why dose this T belong in the GLB anyways?

    Sorry but I am not going to accept transgender people as nothing more than a mental health issue, and there is a lot more to gender than whats between the ears.
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    Nov 08, 2010 1:33 PM GMT
    aunty_jack saidAlso just as I was born a male, and not created one. i was also born a homosexual, and not created one either, so why dose this T belong in the GLB anyways?
    Actually you're not worth responding to, but I'll tackle this anyway for others who may feel the same way.

    Just as we're born homosexual, transgendered people are born with the mind of their opposite gender. Yes, it's all between their ears. No, they did not choose to be that way. No, it's not a mental illness...it's a condition where their physical gender did not match their identity.

    Yes, the T belongs in GLBT because the GLBT fight is for equal rights for ALL...not just those whom YOU think should have them. With the way you're thinking, you might as well join the anti-everything crowd and deny your own human rights.
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    aunty_jack saidAlso just as I was born a male, and not created one. i was also born a homosexual, and not created one either, so why dose this T belong in the GLB anyways?
    Actually you're not worth responding to, but I'll tackle this anyway for others who may feel the same way.

    Just as we're born homosexual, transgendered people are born with the mind of their opposite gender. Yes, it's all between their ears. No, they did not choose to be that way. No, it's not a mental illness...it's a condition where their physical gender did not match their identity.

    Yes, the T belongs in GLBT because the GLBT fight is for equal rights for ALL...not just those whom YOU think should have them. With the way you're thinking, you might as well join the anti-everything crowd and deny your own human rights.


    Usually you're on but I have to disagree this time. This just sounds like an excuse. Where and who draws the line. I'll give you an extreme example and I have a good one for you http://aceflashman.wordpress.com/2010/01/15/wisconsin-man-demands-his-right-to-be-a-cow/

    stupid article but you get the point.

    This guy believes he is a cow and identifies with them. Doesn't matter what he does or how many surgeries you're not a cow! you go milk him and see what YOU get.

    - or maybe I'm just playing devil advocate... icon_twisted.gif
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    Nov 08, 2010 6:05 PM GMT
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    paulflexes said
    aunty_jack saidAlso just as I was born a male, and not created one. i was also born a homosexual, and not created one either, so why dose this T belong in the GLB anyways?
    Actually you're not worth responding to, but I'll tackle this anyway for others who may feel the same way.

    Just as we're born homosexual, transgendered people are born with the mind of their opposite gender. Yes, it's all between their ears. No, they did not choose to be that way. No, it's not a mental illness...it's a condition where their physical gender did not match their identity.

    Yes, the T belongs in GLBT because the GLBT fight is for equal rights for ALL...not just those whom YOU think should have them. With the way you're thinking, you might as well join the anti-everything crowd and deny your own human rights.


    Usually you're on but I have to disagree this time. This just sounds like an excuse. Where and who draws the line. I'll give you an extreme example and I have a good one for you http://aceflashman.wordpress.com/2010/01/15/wisconsin-man-demands-his-right-to-be-a-cow/

    stupid article but you get the point.

    This guy believes he is a cow and identifies with them. Doesn't matter what he does or how many surgeries you're not a cow! you go milk him and see what YOU get.

    - or maybe I'm just playing devil advocate... icon_twisted.gif


    a) yes you're being a douchebag of a devil's advocate if you bring an article like that to the table.

    b) instead of using slippery slope fallacy, let's simply draw the line at the fact that some men identify as women and some women identify as men. leave animals out.

    WAS THAT HAARDDDD?!

    Who are any of you anyways to judge what a person feels about what gender they are? The fact that you guys want to categorize it as a mental illness (Not Paul) is just sad. This is what they did to gays in the 70's. Get over your big-bad self and realize that there's no reason to judge and interpret the way others feel and express themselves. It may not make sense to you -- but that doesn't give grounds for dismissal all the time!
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    Nov 08, 2010 11:30 PM GMT
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    1daman23 said

    Usually you're on but I have to disagree this time. This just sounds like an excuse. Where and who draws the line. I'll give you an extreme example and I have a good one for you http://aceflashman.wordpress.com/2010/01/15/wisconsin-man-demands-his-right-to-be-a-cow/

    stupid article but you get the point.

    This guy believes he is a cow and identifies with them. Doesn't matter what he does or how many surgeries you're not a cow! you go milk him and see what YOU get.

    - or maybe I'm just playing devil advocate... icon_twisted.gif


    a) yes you're being a douchebag of a devil's advocate if you bring an article like that to the table.

    b) instead of using slippery slope fallacy, let's simply draw the line at the fact that some men identify as women and some women identify as men. leave animals out.

    WAS THAT HAARDDDD?!

    Who are any of you anyways to judge what a person feels about what gender they are? The fact that you guys want to categorize it as a mental illness (Not Paul) is just sad. This is what they did to gays in the 70's. Get over your big-bad self and realize that there's no reason to judge and interpret the way others feel and express themselves. It may not make sense to you -- but that doesn't give grounds for dismissal all the time!


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    But where do we draw the line in terms of legal protections, etc.? Example. Is it necessary to have a third bathroom for transgendered/transsexual/etc. people? I say no, nature has a binary and we shouldn't have to bend over backwards to cater to such a small group.
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    Nov 08, 2010 11:34 PM GMT
    Fearthefall said
    jayyp13 said
    1daman23 said

    Usually you're on but I have to disagree this time. This just sounds like an excuse. Where and who draws the line. I'll give you an extreme example and I have a good one for you http://aceflashman.wordpress.com/2010/01/15/wisconsin-man-demands-his-right-to-be-a-cow/

    stupid article but you get the point.

    This guy believes he is a cow and identifies with them. Doesn't matter what he does or how many surgeries you're not a cow! you go milk him and see what YOU get.

    - or maybe I'm just playing devil advocate... icon_twisted.gif


    a) yes you're being a douchebag of a devil's advocate if you bring an article like that to the table.

    b) instead of using slippery slope fallacy, let's simply draw the line at the fact that some men identify as women and some women identify as men. leave animals out.

    WAS THAT HAARDDDD?!

    Who are any of you anyways to judge what a person feels about what gender they are? The fact that you guys want to categorize it as a mental illness (Not Paul) is just sad. This is what they did to gays in the 70's. Get over your big-bad self and realize that there's no reason to judge and interpret the way others feel and express themselves. It may not make sense to you -- but that doesn't give grounds for dismissal all the time!


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    But where do we draw the line in terms of legal protections, etc.? Example. Is it necessary to have a third bathroom for transgendered/transsexual/etc. people? I say no, nature has a binary and we shouldn't have to bend over backwards to cater to such a small group.


    Why not, I mean by that logic straights shouldn't have to accommodate us. We are a small group compared to them. However, I've never heard of this third bathroom for transgender people. Are you perhaps referring to gender-neutrals?
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    Nov 08, 2010 11:39 PM GMT
    FearthefallBut where do we draw the line in terms of legal protections, etc.? Example. Is it necessary to have a third bathroom for transgendered/transsexual/etc. people? I say no, nature has a binary and we shouldn't have to bend over backwards to cater to such a small group.


    Dichotomies, binaries, dualistic thinking, and double-standards are utter bullshit. Imo.

    Apart from that, the legal protections are simple. Gender-neutral housing in federally funded schools (my college already has this in place) and gender neutral bathrooms are very easy to create, as many public places either have a handicapped/unisex bathroom already, adding a single stall bathroom wouldn't be that terrible. OOORRR we could be like Europe and get over ourselves and share bathrooms.
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    Nov 08, 2010 11:40 PM GMT
    fearthefall,

    You might want to look into "intersex" before asserting nature has a binary.
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    Nov 09, 2010 12:30 AM GMT
    creature saidfearthefall,

    You might want to look into "intersex" before asserting nature has a binary.


    Well over 99% of people are born one way or the other. It's a binary with very rare anomalies. Sharing bathrooms wouldn't be a bad idea except urinals might get awkward.
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    Nov 09, 2010 2:12 AM GMT
    Unisex bathrooms are in hostels. I find no problems there.
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    Nov 10, 2010 11:48 PM GMT
    jayyp13 said
    1daman23 said
    paulflexes said
    aunty_jack said

    a) yes you're being a douchebag of a devil's advocate if you bring an article like that to the table.

    b) instead of using slippery slope fallacy, let's simply draw the line at the fact that some men identify as women and some women identify as men. leave animals out.

    WAS THAT HAARDDDD?!

    Who are any of you anyways to judge what a person feels about what gender they are? The fact that you guys want to categorize it as a mental illness (Not Paul) is just sad. This is what they did to gays in the 70's. Get over your big-bad self and realize that there's no reason to judge and interpret the way others feel and express themselves. It may not make sense to you -- but that doesn't give grounds for dismissal all the time!



    See what you did right there? you put yourself on a pedestal and became a judger yourself. Who are you to say that this man's feelings of identifying as a cow aren't as strong as some men who identify as women?

    "Get over your big-bad self and realize that there's no reason to judge and interpret the way others feel and express themselves."

    Does it seems silly to you because its a animal? It may not make sense to you -- but that doesn't give grounds for dismissal...
    your words.

    Maybe, just maybe, this is how some people feel about transgendered people.

    So again, thats why I ask where do you draw the line and more importantly WHO draws that line?



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    Nov 11, 2010 12:33 AM GMT
    1daman23 said
    jayyp13 said
    1daman23 said
    paulflexes said
    aunty_jack said

    a) yes you're being a douchebag of a devil's advocate if you bring an article like that to the table.

    b) instead of using slippery slope fallacy, let's simply draw the line at the fact that some men identify as women and some women identify as men. leave animals out.

    WAS THAT HAARDDDD?!

    Who are any of you anyways to judge what a person feels about what gender they are? The fact that you guys want to categorize it as a mental illness (Not Paul) is just sad. This is what they did to gays in the 70's. Get over your big-bad self and realize that there's no reason to judge and interpret the way others feel and express themselves. It may not make sense to you -- but that doesn't give grounds for dismissal all the time!



    See what you did right there? you put yourself on a pedestal and became a judger yourself. Who are you to say that this man's feelings of identifying as a cow aren't as strong as some men who identify as women?

    "Get over your big-bad self and realize that there's no reason to judge and interpret the way others feel and express themselves."

    Does it seems silly to you because its a animal? It may not make sense to you -- but that doesn't give grounds for dismissal...
    your words.

    Maybe, just maybe, this is how some people feel about transgendered people.

    So again, thats why I ask where do you draw the line and more importantly WHO draws that line?





    Maybe you should look into how transgender people actually feel instead of assuming so.
    Or maybe look up information and facts about them in general instead of making asinine statements about them.