Republicans Have No Plan for Reducing Deficit

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    Nov 08, 2010 9:26 PM GMT
    Jim Demint and Rand Paul cannot explain how Republicans would cut the deficit in an meaningful way:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/video/video_3499.html?1289150537
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    Nov 08, 2010 11:39 PM GMT
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    Christian73 saidJim Demint and Rand Paul cannot explain how Republicans would cut the deficit in an meaningful way:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/video/video_3499.html?1289150537


    Well, so long as they don't have a plan to add to the deficit, we should be in better shape than we were with Pelosi in charge. icon_wink.gif


    Not with 9.6% unemployment we won't, which would be 12-13% without the stimulus. Not to mention that many of the Republican governors are canceling (as the fat fuck in NJ did) major infrastructure projects that would a) create jobs and b) make their states more competitive in the future by modernizing their transportation systems.
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    Nov 08, 2010 11:43 PM GMT
    Neither the democrats or the republicans have any idea or intention of reducing the federal deficit. It is just business as usual in Washington, nothing will change until we evict both the democrats and the republicans from political power. That'll be the day.
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    Christian73 saidJim Demint and Rand Paul cannot explain how Republicans would cut the deficit in an meaningful way:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/video/video_3499.html?1289150537


    Well, so long as they don't have a plan to add to the deficit, we should be in better shape than we were with Pelosi in charge. icon_wink.gif


    And this is what they just can't comprehend. By simply halting more spending we will be in better shape.
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    Nov 08, 2010 11:52 PM GMT
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    Christian73 saidJim Demint and Rand Paul cannot explain how Republicans would cut the deficit in an meaningful way:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/video/video_3499.html?1289150537


    Well, so long as they don't have a plan to add to the deficit, we should be in better shape than we were with Pelosi in charge. icon_wink.gif


    Not with 9.6% unemployment we won't, which would be 12-13% without the stimulus. Not to mention that many of the Republican governors are canceling (as the fat fuck in NJ did) major infrastructure projects that would a) create jobs and b) make their states more competitive in the future by modernizing their transportation systems.


    "Weightist" slurs are okay I guess?
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    Nov 08, 2010 11:56 PM GMT
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    And this is what they just can't comprehend. By simply halting more spending we will be in better shape.

    Of course, this is the very opposite of reality. Stop spending and we'll be back in a recession in no time. And it will be worse.

    You teabaggers get all resentful when we call you ignoramuses,. But there's no other word for ignorance on this scale.


    Ah yes, what we need right now are more programs that levy more taxpayer dollars. You make so much sense! I see the light! But really, how much did the lobotomy cost?
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    Nov 09, 2010 12:48 AM GMT
    "Weightist" slurs are okay I guess?

    LOL ..... but you knew immediately what fat fuck in NJ he was talin about tho didn't you? icon_wink.gif

    Give me a friggin break
    You know as well as I know that every single republican out there has no plan under their sleeves

    Cut taxes .... there much more to cut
    Unless you're talking about the Bush tax cuts and that leaves them in a conundrum because they're all about cutting the deficit and what does extending the Bush tax cuts do..... ???? icon_cool.gif

    But ... I know that they're game plan is going to be exactly the same as it is now

    N............O..........T.........H............I...........N............G

    Because they've set up the scenario where America fails ... and republicans win icon_biggrin.gif
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    Christian73 saidJim Demint and Rand Paul cannot explain how Republicans would cut the deficit in an meaningful way:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/video/video_3499.html?1289150537


    Well, so long as they don't have a plan to add to the deficit, we should be in better shape than we were with Pelosi in charge. icon_wink.gif


    And this is what they just can't comprehend. By simply halting more spending we will be in better shape.


    But that just simply isn't true. As long as businesses are buying back their stock instead of hiring or investing, and as long as consumers are unable to purchase goods and services, the only recovery will be at the very top, not on Main Street.

    More to the point, when REALLY pressed for what they'll do, they actually propose things - like extending the Bush tax cuts or repealing or not funding parts of health care reform that will INCREASE the deficit.
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    Nov 09, 2010 2:07 AM GMT
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    And this is what they just can't comprehend. By simply halting more spending we will be in better shape.

    But that just simply isn't true. As long as businesses are buying back their stock instead of hiring or investing, and as long as consumers are unable to purchase goods and services, the only recovery will be at the very top, not on Main Street.

    More to the point, when REALLY pressed for what they'll do, they actually propose things - like extending the Bush tax cuts or repealing or not funding parts of health care reform that will INCREASE the deficit.

    You're dealing with a child here when it comes to economics, I presume you know that. Typical Teabagger mentality, unable to understand more complex issues, easily led by demagogues & propaganda.

    The long Republican drive to undercut history & political science studies in US schools gives us results like these. Sheep eager to be shorn, because they don't know any better, except to be proud of their ignorance. Perhaps a believer in Creationism, too.

    You waste your time on lost causes like this. Although, like me, you may feel an obligation to defend the truth for others to read & comprehend here, if not this poor lost soul.
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    Nov 09, 2010 2:50 PM GMT
    Christian73 said.... As long as businesses are buying back their stock instead of hiring or investing, and as long as consumers are unable to purchase goods and services, the only recovery will be at the very top, not on Main Street.


    YES!! this is exactly what the GOP wants to happen.

    these rich despots want to increase the gap between themselves and the have nots.

    as long as THEY are comfortable and wealthy the rich GOPers want the rest the world "to go eat cake".


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    SB you forgot to add that Art listened to the guys on RJ and changed. He also apologized in a big way, publicly. Were you not around for that?

    -Doug
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    Nov 09, 2010 3:17 PM GMT
    the GOP has no plan for reducing the deficit and reviving the economy.....because they DON"T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN!!

    they are content with most of the country suffering and them being the comfortably weathy fat cats on top of the economic heap.

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    rnch saidthe GOP has no plan for reducing the deficit and reviving the economy.....because they DON"T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN!!

    they are content with most of the country suffering and them being the comfortably weathy fat cats on top of the economic heap.

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    True dat.
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    Nov 09, 2010 3:31 PM GMT
    Well in Texas they plan on cutting Medicaid.

    Like completely.
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    Nov 09, 2010 4:02 PM GMT
    Yes, it does.

    Some are bogus. His wasn't.

    Your unwillingness to accept someone's apology and change of heart says more about you than what you try make others think of him.

    Something to consider.

    -Doug

    PS this also tells me that any gay man that apologizes and decides to switch parties and become republican will not be accepted. So if you are trying to get people over to your POV side, you've just told them it's pointless. You won't believe them.



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    Nov 09, 2010 4:14 PM GMT
    rnch saidthe GOP has no plan for reducing the deficit and reviving the economy.....because they DON"T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN!!

    they are content with most of the country suffering and them being the comfortably weathy fat cats on top of the economic heap.

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    The facts speak otherwise.

    To begin with, No President ever balanced a Budget. All Budgets are prepared and issued by congress.

    The last time a Democrat congress balanced a Budget was under Dwight Eisenhower's Presidency some 50 years ago.

    The Republican majority Congress elected in November 1994 presided over two fiscal years with declining deficits—fiscal 1996 and 1997—before it initially balanced the budget in fiscal 1998. In fiscal 1996 and 1997, the deficits were $107.4 billion and $21.9 billion respectively. These budgets would have been balanced, but President Bill Clinton did everything he could to stop the Republicans from balancing the Budget, including closing down the Federal Government thereby Strong Arming the Republican congress to spend more.

    More recently, the federal budget was balanced in fiscal years 1998, 1999, 2000 and 2001. A Republican-controlled Congress approved the appropriations for each one of those years and Democratic President Bill Clinton signed them. In fiscal years 1994 and 1995, when President Clinton governed with a Democrat-controlled Congress, the federal government ran deficits of $203.2 billion and $163.9 billion respectively.

    In the November 2006 elections, Democrats won back the majority in both the House and Senate, and in the three fiscal years that have started since then (2008, 2009, 2010), they have run record deficits of $458.6 billion, $1.41 trillion and $1.55 trillion.

    The interest on the national Debt is $ 415 Billion annualy. And that is with the much lower interest rates of today.

    So the best way to balance the US budget, and even to start paying off the National Debt, is to vote the Democrats out of office. icon_smile.gif
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    rnch saidthe GOP has no plan for reducing the deficit and reviving the economy.....because they DON"T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN!!

    they are content with most of the country suffering and them being the comfortably weathy fat cats on top of the economic heap.

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    The facts speak otherwise.

    To begin with, No President ever balanced a Budget. All Budgets are prepared and issued by congress.

    The last time a Democrat congress balanced a Budget was under Dwight Eisenhower's Presidency some 50 years ago.

    The Republican majority Congress elected in November 1994 presided over two fiscal years with declining deficits—fiscal 1996 and 1997—before it initially balanced the budget in fiscal 1998. In fiscal 1996 and 1997, the deficits were $107.4 billion and $21.9 billion respectively. These budgets would have been balanced, but President Bill Clinton did everything he could to stop the Republicans from balancing the Budget, including closing down the Federal Government thereby Strong Arming the Republican congress to spend more.

    More recently, the federal budget was balanced in fiscal years 1998, 1999, 2000 and 2001. A Republican-controlled Congress approved the appropriations for each one of those years and Democratic President Bill Clinton signed them. In fiscal years 1994 and 1995, when President Clinton governed with a Democrat-controlled Congress, the federal government ran deficits of $203.2 billion and $163.9 billion respectively.

    In the November 2006 elections, Democrats won back the majority in both the House and Senate, and in the three fiscal years that have started since then (2008, 2009, 2010), they have run record deficits of $458.6 billion, $1.41 trillion and $1.55 trillion.

    The interest on the national Debt is $ 415 Billion annualy. And that is with the much lower interest rates of today.

    So the best way to balance the US budget, and even to start paying off the National Debt, is to vote the Democrats out of office. icon_smile.gif


    That is an extremely biased view that has almost no basis in reality.

    Why must the right-wing constantly lie?

    Also, the primary reason why the deficit jumped so much once Obama took office is because he put the wars in the budget, whereas BushCo did accounting tricks to keep them off the books.
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    Nov 09, 2010 4:54 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
    ZacktheMan said
    rnch saidthe GOP has no plan for reducing the deficit and reviving the economy.....because they DON"T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN!!

    they are content with most of the country suffering and them being the comfortably weathy fat cats on top of the economic heap.

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    ZacktheMan said


    The facts speak otherwise.

    To begin with, No President ever balanced a Budget. All Budgets are prepared and issued by congress.

    The last time a Democrat congress balanced a Budget was under Dwight Eisenhower's Presidency some 50 years ago.

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    Christian73 saidThat is an extremely biased view that has almost no basis in reality.

    Why must the right-wing constantly lie?


    Perhaps Christian 73, Please explain whatever part of what I wrote is a lie. If you truly are right, I will gladly correct it and owe a debt of gratitude for correcting me.

    If you really can not so that any portion of my post is a lie, I would appreciate you to retract your accusation that I lied.

    You also ought to try posting without personal Ad Hominem attacks. I do not dislike you, I just disagree with what you stated to be fact, and I backed it up with what I believe to be sound facts. You have a great smile and are probably a very likable fellow.

    Christian73 saidAlso, the primary reason why the deficit jumped so much once Obama took office is because he put the wars in the budget, whereas BushCo did accounting tricks to keep them off the books.


    I'm no fan of the Bush Presidents, but expenditures when discovered are automatically assigned to the year they were incurred, they do not get assigned to the year they were discovered to be unreported.

    But if you know of any specific exceptions to this fact, let me know and I will request of my Democratic Congresswoman and Senators to correct the placement of such expenditures to the year they were actually incurred.
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    Nov 09, 2010 11:17 PM GMT
    Republicans Have No Plan for Reducing Deficit

    Ain't that a kick in the head icon_rolleyes.gif

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    rnch saidthe GOP has no plan for reducing the deficit and reviving the economy.....because they DON"T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN!!

    they are content with most of the country suffering and them being the comfortably weathy fat cats on top of the economic heap.

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    On average, the very richest people in this country are democrats. So much for this BS.
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    Nov 09, 2010 11:35 PM GMT
    To begin with, No President ever balanced a Budget

    Sorry sweetheart .... but you're wrong

    The Clinton Administration Enacted the 1993 Deficit Reduction Plan without a Single Republican Vote.
    Clinton's deficit-cutting plan was the largest in history, proposing to save nearly $500 billion over four years. Of that amount, roughly two-thirds would go to reduce the deficit, while another third would be used to pay for increased job creation and long-term investment spending, making net deficit reduction at the end of the four years of the plan about $325 billion (Hager, 1993).
    http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-2671462/The-success-of-the-1993.html

    I do remember that the republicans did something in 1995 ......... oh yeah they shut down the government .... how did that go?
    Ask that Newt guy icon_wink.gif
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    Nov 10, 2010 12:10 AM GMT
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    rnch saidthe GOP has no plan for reducing the deficit and reviving the economy.....because they DON"T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN!!

    they are content with most of the country suffering and them being the comfortably weathy fat cats on top of the economic heap.

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    On average, the very richest people in this country are democrats. So much for this BS.


    What do you base that on? Have you gone through the Forbes 400 to determine each person's party affiliation?
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    rnch saidthe GOP has no plan for reducing the deficit and reviving the economy.....because they DON"T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN!!

    they are content with most of the country suffering and them being the comfortably weathy fat cats on top of the economic heap.

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    On average, the very richest people in this country are democrats. So much for this BS.


    What do you base that on? Have you gone through the Forbes 400 to determine each person's party affiliation?


    Warren Buffet.

    That gives you a start....


    I'll see your Warren Buffet and raise you the Koch Brothers.
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    Nov 10, 2010 12:46 AM GMT
    Christian73 said
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    rnch saidthe GOP has no plan for reducing the deficit and reviving the economy.....because they DON"T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN!!

    they are content with most of the country suffering and them being the comfortably weathy fat cats on top of the economic heap.

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    On average, the very richest people in this country are democrats. So much for this BS.


    What do you base that on? Have you gone through the Forbes 400 to determine each person's party affiliation?


    As a matter of fact, I have. Literally almost all of the billionaires and elites are democrats. Republicans have their biggest numbers in the moderately wealthy (worth a million or more) and the moderate to small business owners -- the ones who feel the most affected by taxes in proportion to how hard they work for what they have.

    While a lot of old money may be republican, a lot are democrats because they never had to make the sacrifices or work for it and this leads them to have a misguided understanding of the sacrifices it took for them to have what they do -- they turn into naive-minded do-gooders. Not that philanthropy on a private level is a bad thing at all, but they end up believing society should have more coercive wealth redistribution. Most of it is mainly because they are removed from discomforts and so they become sanctimonious ideologues, unwilling to actually sacrifice their own status and class.
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    Nov 10, 2010 12:54 AM GMT
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    mocktwinkie said
    rnch saidthe GOP has no plan for reducing the deficit and reviving the economy.....because they DON"T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN!!

    they are content with most of the country suffering and them being the comfortably weathy fat cats on top of the economic heap.

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    On average, the very richest people in this country are democrats. So much for this BS.


    What do you base that on? Have you gone through the Forbes 400 to determine each person's party affiliation?


    As a matter of fact, I have. Literally almost all of the billionaires are democrats. Republicans have their biggest numbers in the moderately wealthy and the moderate to small business owners -- the ones who are most affected.


    Prove it. I'll give you Buffet and Gates. From Forbes...

    #3 Larry Ellison is a Republican
    #4 Christy Walton is a Republican
    #5 Charles Koch is a hardcore right-winger
    #6 Jim Walton is a Republican
    #7 Alice Walton is a Republican
    #8 S. Robson Walton is a Republican
    #9 Michael Bloomberg is an Independent, former Republican, former Democrat
    #10 Larry Page is a Democrat

    So of the top 10 richest people in the country, three of Democrats, one is debatable, and six are Republicans. Hardly "almost all"