America - He's Your President for Goodness Sake!

  • metta

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    Nov 09, 2010 9:00 AM GMT
    America - He's Your President for Goodness Sake!

    http://elombah.com/news/node/4141
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    Nov 09, 2010 9:43 AM GMT
    Let's elect a Black Republican on the next run. I mean...maybe something weird but better will come out of it.
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    Nov 09, 2010 12:16 PM GMT
    What a biased viewpoint. Obama has brought disrespect to the office by his own behavior. And many of us don't need to give him more of a chance moving the country in what we consider an awful direction.
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    Nov 09, 2010 3:13 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidObama has brought disrespect to the office by his own behavior.

    Please list the disrespectful behavior, disregarding his skin color. As compared to his predecessors in the office.
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    Nov 09, 2010 4:23 PM GMT
    Obama has brought disrespect to the office by his own behavior.

    How?

    Your disagreement does not equal his "bad behavior".
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    Nov 09, 2010 4:26 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    metta8 saidAmerica - He's Your President for Goodness Sake!

    http://elombah.com/news/node/4141


    A) And YOUR point is? Do you agree with him? Disagree with him? This is just another topic with just a link to some opinion piece that you've posted.


    B) From the opinion piece:

    There was a time not so long ago when Americans, regardless of their political stripes, rallied round their president. Once elected, the man who won the White House was no longer viewed as a republican or democrat, but the President of the United States. The oath of office was taken, the wagons were circled around the country’s borders and it was America versus the rest of the world with the president of all the people at the helm.

    Suddenly President Barack Obama, with the potential to become an exceptional president has become the glaring exception to that unwritten, patriotic rule.


    Right.... Everyone loved Bush and showed their respect and non-partisanship and "circled-the-wagons" around him, didn't they....




    Actually, the media was very kind to Bush and whenever someone on the left called him out on torture or engaging in illegal wars, it was either completely ignored or the person was pilloried.
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    Nov 09, 2010 4:35 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 said
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    metta8 saidAmerica - He's Your President for Goodness Sake!

    http://elombah.com/news/node/4141


    A) And YOUR point is? Do you agree with him? Disagree with him? This is just another topic with just a link to some opinion piece that you've posted.


    B) From the opinion piece:

    There was a time not so long ago when Americans, regardless of their political stripes, rallied round their president. Once elected, the man who won the White House was no longer viewed as a republican or democrat, but the President of the United States. The oath of office was taken, the wagons were circled around the country’s borders and it was America versus the rest of the world with the president of all the people at the helm.

    Suddenly President Barack Obama, with the potential to become an exceptional president has become the glaring exception to that unwritten, patriotic rule.


    Right.... Everyone loved Bush and showed their respect and non-partisanship and "circled-the-wagons" around him, didn't they....




    Actually, the media was very kind to Bush and whenever someone on the left called him out on torture or engaging in illegal wars, it was either completely ignored or the person was pilloried.


    The opinon piece isn't talking about the media. He's talking about the citizenry.

    And you and the rest of the liberal hens have been bashing Bush since 2001... You even did it to Reagan.


    When you find the picture of Reagan with a bone through his nose, we can discuss who is being mistreated.
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    Nov 09, 2010 4:44 PM GMT
    tazzari saidObama has brought disrespect to the office by his own behavior.

    How?

    Your disagreement does not equal his "bad behavior".

    Fair question.

    A few points that come to mind:

    Integrity

    1. Breaking his promise about accepting federal campaign financing

    2. Campaign website disabled credit card billing address verification, thereby facilitating illegal contributions. Such verification is standard internet practice and was followed by both McCain and H. Clinton campaigns. Story broken by NY Post, whose reporters were subsequently kicked off campaign plane.

    3. Continually stating that existing health care plans would not be affected - "If you like your plan, you can keep it." Should have been obvious that would not be the case.

    Leadership / Acting Presidential

    1. Trying to ram health care through Congress prior to Summer 2009 recess to prevent voters from influencing representatives. Showed disdain towards the voters.

    2. Continually finding scapegoats: Bush - 2 years into office, Republicans - when Democrats have clear majorities and could pass whatever they wanted, Voters - being not smart enough to vote Democratic in mid-terms

    3. Other non-Presidential behavior: Telling Hispanics that Republicans are their enemy (not explicitly mentioning Republicans, but clear message), personally going after opponents by name, most recently Boehner. Overall, a mocking of opponents - not the dignified behavior one would expect of a Chief Executive
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    Nov 09, 2010 5:42 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    tazzari saidObama has brought disrespect to the office by his own behavior.

    How?

    Your disagreement does not equal his "bad behavior".

    Fair question.

    A few points that come to mind:

    Integrity

    1. Breaking his promise about accepting federal campaign financing

    2. Campaign website disabled credit card billing address verification, thereby facilitating illegal contributions. Such verification is standard internet practice and was followed by both McCain and H. Clinton campaigns. Story broken by NY Post, whose reporters were subsequently kicked off campaign plane.

    3. Continually stating that existing health care plans would not be affected - "If you like your plan, you can keep it." Should have been obvious that would not be the case.

    Leadership / Acting Presidential

    1. Trying to ram health care through Congress prior to Summer 2009 recess to prevent voters from influencing representatives. Showed disdain towards the voters.

    2. Continually finding scapegoats: Bush - 2 years into office, Republicans - when Democrats have clear majorities and could pass whatever they wanted, Voters - being not smart enough to vote Democratic in mid-terms

    3. Other non-Presidential behavior: Telling Hispanics that Republicans are their enemy (not explicitly mentioning Republicans, but clear message), personally going after opponents by name, most recently Boehner. Overall, a mocking of opponents - not the dignified behavior one would expect of a Chief Executive


    You act like he is the first president in history to break a promise, at least he owned up to it.

    I would like to point you to the Obamameter, a system desigined to keep track of the promises he has made and where he is on progress.

    http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

    Also, this http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/?ref=nf
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    Nov 09, 2010 5:43 PM GMT
    Two points from me:

    1) it is an inherent difficulty in our system cuz we combine both ceremonial and political leaders in one person--the president.

    2) our whole political culture has gone rabid. I trace this back to Karl Rove's development of pin pointing demographics, a al Madison Avenue, and driving our country's political discourse to extremes.
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    Nov 09, 2010 6:04 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 said
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    Christian73 said
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    metta8 saidAmerica - He's Your President for Goodness Sake!

    http://elombah.com/news/node/4141


    A) And YOUR point is? Do you agree with him? Disagree with him? This is just another topic with just a link to some opinion piece that you've posted.


    B) From the opinion piece:

    There was a time not so long ago when Americans, regardless of their political stripes, rallied round their president. Once elected, the man who won the White House was no longer viewed as a republican or democrat, but the President of the United States. The oath of office was taken, the wagons were circled around the country’s borders and it was America versus the rest of the world with the president of all the people at the helm.

    Suddenly President Barack Obama, with the potential to become an exceptional president has become the glaring exception to that unwritten, patriotic rule.


    Right.... Everyone loved Bush and showed their respect and non-partisanship and "circled-the-wagons" around him, didn't they....




    Actually, the media was very kind to Bush and whenever someone on the left called him out on torture or engaging in illegal wars, it was either completely ignored or the person was pilloried.


    The opinon piece isn't talking about the media. He's talking about the citizenry.

    And you and the rest of the liberal hens have been bashing Bush since 2001... You even did it to Reagan.


    When you find the picture of Reagan with a bone through his nose, we can discuss who is being mistreated.


    Take a look at any political cartoon from the 80s from your preferred liberal media outlet of the time.

    Just concede the point already, ok?


    You are conflating attacks on policy positions, in Reagan's case, and attacks on race/ethnicity and, of course, outright lies, in Obama's. I challenge you to find anything on that scale about Reagan.

    The closest I can think of is AIDS protesters bot those were largely based in the fact as Reagan ignored the crisis for his entire presidency.
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    Nov 09, 2010 6:13 PM GMT
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    socalfitness said
    tazzari saidObama has brought disrespect to the office by his own behavior.

    How?

    Your disagreement does not equal his "bad behavior".

    Fair question.

    A few points that come to mind:

    Integrity

    1. Breaking his promise about accepting federal campaign financing

    2. Campaign website disabled credit card billing address verification, thereby facilitating illegal contributions. Such verification is standard internet practice and was followed by both McCain and H. Clinton campaigns. Story broken by NY Post, whose reporters were subsequently kicked off campaign plane.

    3. Continually stating that existing health care plans would not be affected - "If you like your plan, you can keep it." Should have been obvious that would not be the case.

    Leadership / Acting Presidential

    1. Trying to ram health care through Congress prior to Summer 2009 recess to prevent voters from influencing representatives. Showed disdain towards the voters.

    2. Continually finding scapegoats: Bush - 2 years into office, Republicans - when Democrats have clear majorities and could pass whatever they wanted, Voters - being not smart enough to vote Democratic in mid-terms

    3. Other non-Presidential behavior: Telling Hispanics that Republicans are their enemy (not explicitly mentioning Republicans, but clear message), personally going after opponents by name, most recently Boehner. Overall, a mocking of opponents - not the dignified behavior one would expect of a Chief Executive


    You act like he is the first president in history to break a promise, at least he owned up to it.

    I would like to point you to the Obamameter, a system desigined to keep track of the promises he has made and where he is on progress.

    http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

    Also, this http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/?ref=nf


    Oh dear... There goes Socal lying again.

    1 - I agree on the federal funding, but since you're likely against campaign finance reform, this makes you a hypocrite

    2 - Campaign credit card issue I've never seen reported anywhere, so please cite your source.

    3 - Please cite the source for those who cannot keep their healthcare plan due to reform, because I've not seen anything.

    The others

    1 - Please show us how "ramming healthcare reform" is different than Bush "ramming through the" PATRIOT Act and accusing anyone who voted against is as a traitor and unAmerican. Also, explain how BushCo managed to have a 2,000+ page bill ready just days after 9/11.

    2 - Republicans used the filibuster in the Senate more times in the 110th Congress than every other Congress in history combined. The previous record was set during the Clinton presidency. This was unprecedented obstructionism. And they also engaged in procedural trickery like anonymous holds. Telling the truth about these despicable tactics is not "scapegoating".

    3 - Since when haven't political opponents called each other out by name? This is just ridiculous.
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    Nov 09, 2010 11:31 PM GMT
    JAKEBENSON saidLet's elect a Black Republican on the next run. I mean...maybe something weird but better will come out of it.


    They'd just resort to saying he's a "self-hater" or something else pathetic.
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    Nov 09, 2010 11:57 PM GMT
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    JAKEBENSON saidLet's elect a Black Republican on the next run. I mean...maybe something weird but better will come out of it.


    They'd just resort to saying he's a "self-hater" or something else pathetic.


    I would not mind seeing Clarence Thomas retire from the Supreme Court and run for President in 2012.
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    Nov 10, 2010 12:01 AM GMT
    metta8 said
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    JAKEBENSON saidLet's elect a Black Republican on the next run. I mean...maybe something weird but better will come out of it.


    They'd just resort to saying he's a "self-hater" or something else pathetic.


    I would not mind seeing Clarence Thomas retire from the Supreme Court and run for President in 2012.

    lol -
    He needs to stay in place until 2013 when the next President will nominate his successor.
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    Nov 10, 2010 12:46 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
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    You are conflating attacks on policy positions, in Reagan's case, and attacks on race/ethnicity and, of course, outright lies, in Obama's. I challenge you to find anything on that scale about Reagan.


    You must have been too young during Reagan to have been aware of the flak he took from the opposition.

    "He's senile."

    "He's reckless."

    "Too old and out of touch."

    But let's just go back 3 years.... You guys were bashing Bush PERSONALLY morning, noon and night.... and you STILL continue to do so to this day.

    So the point of the opinion piece in the OP that none of this existed until Obama became President is pure nonsense.


    Again, the difference is are the criticisms true? Reagan is widely believed to have entered Alzheimer's during his second term and he did ignore AIDS for his entire presidency. GWB led us into two awful and unfunded wars, created the biggest expansion in government via Homeland Security, and is, by most accounts, a dumb ass.

    Whereas most of what is said about Obama is based on lies propogated by the right-wing and Fox News. Among the more popular lies are:

    Obama is a socialist
    Obama was born in Kenya
    Obama is a racist
    Obama is responsible for the economic crisis
    Obama is responsible for the bailouts

    And on and on. None of it is the least bit true.