Face it, they are just not that into you.

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    Nov 12, 2010 11:15 AM GMT
  • GQjock

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    Nov 12, 2010 11:28 AM GMT
    Very succinctly put.....

    If you're a gay man or a gay woman - the republican party wants to demonize you in everyway shape or form that they can
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    Nov 12, 2010 3:38 PM GMT
    You think?
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    Nov 12, 2010 3:39 PM GMT
    Two facts
    The current Democratic administration and Democratic Congress did NOTHING for gays.
    The most active group attacking DADT is a group of gay Republicans.

    The video and the rantings on RJ explain how your minds are controlled by pure propaganda, factless opinions, and BS on MSNBC, whose ratings are in the toilet.
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    Nov 12, 2010 4:06 PM GMT
    Yes Socal, a group often ostracized by republicans. They went against the Party by taking it to court. The Party wants to wait til all the big military hoo-hoos decide whether or not removing DADT is a good thing. .

    Did the Republican Party doing anything like, say, declaring an LGBT month? No?

    Did the Republican Party push for the Mathew Shepard Act? No?

    Your own purveying of propaganda is blatantly obvious.

    -Doug
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    Nov 12, 2010 7:15 PM GMT
    meninlove said Yes Socal, a group often ostracized by republicans. They went against the Party by taking it to court. The Party wants to wait til all the big military hoo-hoos decide whether or not removing DADT is a good thing. .

    Did the Republican Party doing anything like, say, declaring an LGBT month? No?

    Did the Republican Party push for the Mathew Shepard Act? No?

    Your own purveying of propaganda is blatantly obvious.

    -Doug
    Ridiculous.
    Were the two facts I presented true? Yes
    Are there other facts I did not state above? Yes
    Have I in other posts acknowledged problems with the Republican Party regarding gay issues? Yes, but I have also indicated progress being made.
    While the two facts I presented above do not fully describe the issues, are they grounds to repudiate the video, which states 0% of gays should vote Republican? Yes, clearly.

    One other general observation - You have characterized yourself as a moderate liberal. While that may be correct by Canadian standards, by US standards you are not so moderate.
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    Nov 12, 2010 8:31 PM GMT
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    meninlove said Yes Socal, a group often ostracized by republicans. They went against the Party by taking it to court. The Party wants to wait til all the big military hoo-hoos decide whether or not removing DADT is a good thing. .

    Did the Republican Party doing anything like, say, declaring an LGBT month? No?

    Did the Republican Party push for the Mathew Shepard Act? No?

    Your own purveying of propaganda is blatantly obvious.

    -Doug
    Ridiculous.
    Were the two facts I presented true? Yes
    Are there other facts I did not state above? Yes
    Have I in other posts acknowledged problems with the Republican Party regarding gay issues? Yes, but I have also indicated progress being made.
    While the two facts I presented above do not fully describe the issues, are they grounds to repudiate the video, which states 0% of gays should vote Republican? Yes, clearly.

    One other general observation - You have characterized yourself as a moderate liberal. While that may be correct by Canadian standards, by US standards you are not so moderate.


    Are you suggesting that what you acknowlege is a "moderate" position in Canada is perceived as immoderate in the US? That seems a pretty sad reflection of how hyperpartisan the US has become
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    Nov 12, 2010 9:05 PM GMT
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    socalfitness said
    meninlove said Yes Socal, a group often ostracized by republicans. They went against the Party by taking it to court. The Party wants to wait til all the big military hoo-hoos decide whether or not removing DADT is a good thing. .

    Did the Republican Party doing anything like, say, declaring an LGBT month? No?

    Did the Republican Party push for the Mathew Shepard Act? No?

    Your own purveying of propaganda is blatantly obvious.

    -Doug
    Ridiculous.
    Were the two facts I presented true? Yes
    Are there other facts I did not state above? Yes
    Have I in other posts acknowledged problems with the Republican Party regarding gay issues? Yes, but I have also indicated progress being made.
    While the two facts I presented above do not fully describe the issues, are they grounds to repudiate the video, which states 0% of gays should vote Republican? Yes, clearly.

    One other general observation - You have characterized yourself as a moderate liberal. While that may be correct by Canadian standards, by US standards you are not so moderate.


    Are you suggesting that what you acknowlege is a "moderate" position in Canada is perceived as immoderate in the US? That seems a pretty sad reflection of how hyperpartisan the US has become
    I'm not an expert on Canada, but I believe based on reports in the media that overall, Canada is more left leaning than the US. Based on the different frames of reference, a moderate liberal by Canadian standards, would be a liberal further to the left than moderate by US standards.
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    Nov 12, 2010 9:26 PM GMT
    This guy sounds desperate and he has no communication skills. I can't believe msnbc would add someone so incompetent to their arsenal.
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    Nov 12, 2010 9:40 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidThis guy sounds desperate and he has no communication skills. I can't believe msnbc would add someone so incompetent to their arsenal.
    Doesn't matter what his communication skills are, he has the right message for msnbc. After Comcast takes over, that message may change.
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    Nov 12, 2010 9:53 PM GMT
    I remember watching him before he got hired, when he had his own little private show. He had nothing interesting to say.
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    Nov 12, 2010 9:57 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    UpperCanadian said
    socalfitness said
    meninlove said Yes Socal, a group often ostracized by republicans. They went against the Party by taking it to court. The Party wants to wait til all the big military hoo-hoos decide whether or not removing DADT is a good thing. .

    Did the Republican Party doing anything like, say, declaring an LGBT month? No?

    Did the Republican Party push for the Mathew Shepard Act? No?

    Your own purveying of propaganda is blatantly obvious.

    -Doug
    Ridiculous.
    Were the two facts I presented true? Yes
    Are there other facts I did not state above? Yes
    Have I in other posts acknowledged problems with the Republican Party regarding gay issues? Yes, but I have also indicated progress being made.
    While the two facts I presented above do not fully describe the issues, are they grounds to repudiate the video, which states 0% of gays should vote Republican? Yes, clearly.

    One other general observation - You have characterized yourself as a moderate liberal. While that may be correct by Canadian standards, by US standards you are not so moderate.


    Are you suggesting that what you acknowlege is a "moderate" position in Canada is perceived as immoderate in the US? That seems a pretty sad reflection of how hyperpartisan the US has become
    I'm not an expert on Canada, but I believe based on reports in the media that overall, Canada is more left leaning than the US. Based on the different frames of reference, a moderate liberal by Canadian standards, would be a liberal further to the left than moderate by US standards.


    Ah yes. I would have to agree with your summation then.



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    Nov 12, 2010 11:24 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidThis guy sounds desperate and he has no communication skills. I can't believe msnbc would add someone so incompetent to their arsenal.


    LOL ...... oh shoot the messenger why don't you
    Are you disagreeing with what he said? Or are you trying to hijack the post to make it about the guy telling you what you don't wanna hear?

    Oh BTW .... The Roberts Court just told the LCR's to take a hike on DADT
    Careful who you side with .... these guys will shoot you rather than see you get anything at all

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    Nov 12, 2010 11:29 PM GMT
    Seems like we are stuck with the lesser of two evils...
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    Nov 13, 2010 12:39 AM GMT
    OK Socal, do you think any gay should vote democrat? icon_lol.gif

    -Doug

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    Nov 13, 2010 12:45 AM GMT
    meninlove said OK Socal, do you think any gay should vote democrat? icon_lol.gif

    -Doug


    Of course if they are in general agreement with the general principles of that party. Also if they are otherwise neutral on economic policies and believe the Democrats would better advocate gay issues, voting Democrat would be logical. Overall, people should think for themselves, look at all the issues they care about and decide which candidate or party best supports their issues. I also believe blindly following one party make a group's vote taken for granted. For example, many Jews I know who have traditionally voted Democratic are now voting Republican because they have not been happy with this administration's position on Israel as they see it. Not trying to get into a middle east debate and necessarily say their view is or is not correct, just using this as an example.
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    Nov 13, 2010 12:50 AM GMT
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    meninlove said OK Socal, do you think any gay should vote democrat? icon_lol.gif

    -Doug


    Of course if they are in general agreement with the general principles of that party. Also if they are otherwise neutral on economic policies and believe the Democrats would better advocate gay issues, voting Democrat would be logical.


    Great, we've quoted and captured that for reference in the future, when other conservatives here scream at liberal gays for voting liberal claiming they are 'just doing it for gay rights'.

    It's worth noting that at no time on this topic did we refer to the vid. We were addressing you and your two (in your own opinion) facts. icon_wink.gif

    -Bill and Doug
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    Nov 13, 2010 12:52 AM GMT
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    meninlove said OK Socal, do you think any gay should vote democrat? icon_lol.gif

    -Doug


    Of course if they are in general agreement with the general principles of that party. Also if they are otherwise neutral on economic policies and believe the Democrats would better advocate gay issues, voting Democrat would be logical.


    Great, we've quoted and captured that for reference in the future, when other conservatives here scream at liberal gays for voting liberal claiming they are 'just doing it for gay rights'.

    It's worth noting that at no time on this topic did we refer to the vid. We were addressing you and your two (in your own opinion) facts. icon_wink.gif

    -Bill and Doug

    You can quote me all you want. I have never stated all gays are only voting based on gay rights, though I think some do, which is fine. I also think some are committed liberals and vote that way, and use the gay issue as a club to try and enforce their liberal positions on others. The only thing I challenge is the position that all gays SHOULD vote Democratic.
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    Nov 13, 2010 1:49 AM GMT
    Socal said, "I have never stated all gays are only voting based on gay rights, though I think some do, which is fine."

    You're OK with some gays voting based solely on gay rights, or are you saying you're OK with other conservatives claiming this is what they are doing?

    As for moderate being further left in Canada than the US, we know some Republicans that want universal health care (voted against Obama and his, they claim, watered down corporate version), which seems a little upside down, doesn't it?


    -Doug

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    Nov 13, 2010 2:22 AM GMT
    meninlove said Socal said, "I have never stated all gays are only voting based on gay rights, though I think some do, which is fine."

    You're OK with some gays voting based solely on gay rights, or are you saying you're OK with other conservatives claiming this is what they are doing?

    As for moderate being further left in Canada than the US, we know some Republicans that want universal health care (voted against Obama and his, they claim, watered down corporate version), which seems a little upside down, doesn't it?


    -Doug

    I am ok with people voting however they want to vote. To cover this in more specificity:
    Gays voting only based on their view of a party being better for gays. FINE
    Gays voting based on their view of the party better representing their economic position. FINE
    Gays vote giving more importance to gay issues than economic issues. FINE
    Gays vote giving more importance to economic issues than gay issues. FINE
    Gays voting based on economic issues, believing the party in power does not ultimately make a difference in gay issues. FINE
    Gays voting Republican based on economic issues, believing they can moderate the Republican view on gay issues. FINE

    Someone telling someone else how they should vote. NOT FINE